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Ridley is in Brawl as a boss but he isn't playable, he may be a bit big but Giga Bowser is playable, so why not Ridley, I was SO hoping to play as him, as with millions of people. Dark Overlord 04:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• I feel your pain. It seemed so obvious that he'd be playable! His battle music, stage: Norfair and the fact that he's Samus arch rival. Plus hes made way more apperances than Zero Suit Samus. Unfair I say! Bonko24 04:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ridley is way more popular then zero suit and all we get is Samus without armor, also I'm FED up about these delays UNLESS the North America version had more characters or better quality gameplay with better texures. Dark Overlord 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Because he isn't. That may sound harsh, but I'm certain that answered all of your questions. Its the same reason why Isaac, Krystal, Geno, K. Rool, and so many others weren't playable. At least Ridley's a boss. Isaac is an assist trophy, Krystal makes some random cameo in SSE, K. Rool is only a trophy, and Geno isn't there at all. --Misken67 22:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

ok... he isnt playable because he is too big. your point about giga bowser barely makes sense because giga bowser is a final smash not an actual playable character, so you can only be him for a limited amount of time. to make ridley a normal playable character they would have to shrink him down to normal size and then maybe his final smash would make him big... and maybe even turn him into meta ridley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ssnake ssamus (talk • contribs) 21:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

If Olimar works, this is no longer an argument. See also the Melee intro movie. - Gargomon251 02:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

like the other peeps said, its cause hes too big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdgator29 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

He's huge. [1] Note his comparison to Samus. Samus herself is fairly large for a Super Smash Bros. character, so Ridley would easily be the biggest in the game. Other possible reasons could include that he's never before been playable, ever, although this didn't stop Zelda and Ganondorf from making their way in. Dtm142 01:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Is everyone just going to ignore me? In the Melee intro, he was barely bigger than samus! And how do you explain captain olimar, who is no bigger than a quarter, standing toe to toe with 8-inch high Kirby, not to mention Pikachu... - Gargomon251 01:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gargomon. If you've played Pikmin you know tiny Olimar is. I recall it took 20 Pikmin to pick up a Duracell battery, so size really isn't an issue with Ridley. Wasn't Charizard also much bigger than he's portrayed in Brawl too? Bonko24 18:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Olimar looks perfectly fine when resized. Ridley would look like some sort of weird baby. He'd have to be the same size. It's an aesthetic thing. Admiral Tobias (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

After reading all this, I can't help but ask, "Why isn't Ridley playable?" we should start a huge campaign to get him in the next Smash game! PeetzaLink 20:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be awesome. Dark Overlord 23:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember where I have seen the following stuff, but I remember a site talking about Brawl said that the character sizes were to be ajusted to make things even. (Example: Olimar is bigger except in Distant Planet, at that place everyone else is sized down.) Learner3 13:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Jigglypuff's final smash pushes everyone, even teammates, away. And Olimar is suppose to be an inch tall. I mean, everyone can be sized down or up. But Ridley is highly unlikely, because he is in no potition to have Special moves, he really doesn't have a move set, no final smash even if it were metal Ridley, he would be Super-Wario again, all powered up, he never touches the ground, he weighs too much, there are just too many problems in having him. Besides, the details are going to be hard with 4 Ridleys. Now, imagine 4 Ridleys in a Match, on Wi-Fi. Nothing could happen. Everything would be slow. Learner3 17:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to copy exactly what I said on the shoud box "charizard is quite downsized compared to his other apperances as is bowser in his most recent apperances. Ridly was also about the same size in the first metroid game and he appears to be only slightly taller than Samus in the Melee opening which would be the perfect size for him in game". Also Zelda was playable long before melee. It's Ganondorf and Sheik who are playable only in the smash bro. series (although since Zelda is Sheik that makes Ganondorf the only character playable only in Smash Bros.) Oni Dark Link 09:22, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

dude

it would be unfair for the other players ridley would just shove them off the stage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

i mean

hes huge! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

hey

unsigned user, or users! let's not start another heading whenever we have to say something. I made that mistake the first time i was commenting on something here. and, if ridley were to be playable, he wouldn't be huge! I'll show what I mean in some crappy diagram of a view of final destination from above.

          RID                                              Cpn
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he would probably be about the size of captain falcon, and could fly like meta knight or pit. his wings would only be open in the air, reducing his size considerably. PeetzaLink 19:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I say he should be at least Bowser-sized. And for special moves, he has that divebomb attack, fire breath, tail scrape, and if they used his Meta form you have missiles and whatnot! Did Egg Roll come from any specific game? No, and it would be easy just to make something up like they did with him. - Gargomon251 04:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

In conclusion Nintendo could have decreased Ridley's size, and he would be larger then Bowser and like Meta Knight use his wings to float just a bit over the ground since he has never used his legs much. He would be able to jump as much as Meta Knight but with larger jumps. his normal moves would be biting and swiping with extreme force. Special moves could be some of the varios projectiles and up B would flying really fast like Super Sonic but limited range. FS could be summoning the space pirates. Dark Overlord 15:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Remember that everyone needs some game balance, Marth is weak (either in damage he can give, or weak in knockback) because his final smash is basically an instant kill, and his basic B move is a shield breaker. Lucario in a way explains himself, attacks have good range, and basic B move is a great killer move, and his damage in ajustant to the range his attacks have makes him a good choise with use of good dodging skills. Now Ridley has his imense size, and he could be under heavy fire, but he must be slow, but basically, think, he would have multible jumps, and a glide, so the only way to KO him is to launch him full force, or to keep him from landing. He is imbalanced. Learner3 16:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

You guys are missing my point. I'm not saying he would jump higher than meta knight, or that he couldn't be bowser size, or couldn't be launched easily. he would take damage like everyone else, and go flying (not with his wings) like everyone else. just because he doesn't use his feet much doesn't mean he wouldn't touch the ground, Dark Overlord. you guys are thinking of the bad parts of having him in the game, not the good parts. if you think about it, he would be a balanced character. PeetzaLink 19:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ridley would not touch the ground, like Mewtwo and his FS would not be Meta Ridley it would be summoning Space Pirates or Kraid. Dark Overlord 17:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Why does he have to summon someone? Didn't he have some sort of superweapon or transformation from later in the series? - Gargomon251 00:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Be nice to see Kraid though right. Dark Overlord 03:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sigh* You all must not understand that if Olimar was so small he would be unplayable. Ridley is way too big. If they shrank him to the right size, it would be really out there. I don't think he would be practical as a character. If they did however, and I don't think they should have, his neutral special be would be a chargeable fireball shot, his side special would be something to do with attacking with wings, his down special would be the wind he makes with his wings, and his up special would be somewhat similar to Charizards fly. He would be heavy as bowser and his final smash would be Meta-Ridley just like Giga Bowser. He might be a semi-clone of Bowser. XXXXX 19:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

No Meta Ridley would be another transformation Final Smash, Standerd special would be chargable fireball, side special would be a chargable speed attack(like Ike's side special), down special would be a chargable Tornado like Meta Knight's Mach Tornado but larger, up special would be flying fast like Super Sonic but limited distance of cource. Final Smaah would could be cinimatic like Captain Falcon, Grab nearby foes and smash them into a steel wall flying around while still holding them(like he did to Samus as a boss). Dark Overlord 02:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

And if Ridley was playable, he wouldn't be a boss. Now playable characters are bosses occasionally but in Boss Battles mode which includes Ridley, none of them are playable. And what's wrong with transformation final smashes?XXXXX 16:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Transformation Final Smashes are getting old. Dark Overlord 23:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

its because Sora or HAL who ever saw ridley more as a boss character then a playable one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.66.113 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Woah Woah WOAH! Hold up there. I'm all for Ridley as a playable character, but a semi-clone of Bowser? Absolutely not! Ridley is too cool to be a semi-clone (but then again so is Ganondorf. Sigh....) But still! What's even the point? Maxiscool (talk) 02:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You know, Ridley wouldn't be the only character with a major size exaggeration. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 02:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That's been mentioned REPEATEDLY. - Gargomon251 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Olimar is an exception. The problem is not with absolute size. The problem is, Ridley is huge next to Samus. Because Samus is in, scaling Ridley down would look ridiculous. You just can't scale people from the same game in different ways.–Entrea Sumatae 02:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, it's not even a problem of scale. Think about it this way: how often do you actually see Ridley on the ground? Almost never. Think about the other winged characters who can glide in Brawl: 1) Pit. In Kid Icarus, he spent a lot of time on the groudn before he got the powerup for permanent flight. 2) Charizard. Always has been a Pokemon that was primarily ground-bound, with only occasion flight. 3) Meta Knight. While he spends a lot of time in the air, he still is primarily ground-based. Ridley, however, is almost permanently flying, and that breaks the framework of the Smash series, where the whole game of recovering is based on jumps! This is another reason they would never include any other permanently-flying characters like Balloon Fighter. So the issue is less about scale and more about airtime. Miles.oppenheimer (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Balloon Fighter walks Miles. Anyway, it's an aesthetics choice. Same reason Rayquaza or Spider Mech Porky were'nt playable. They are designed to be bosses and only bosses. I don't want to fight as a chibi Ridley. Plus, even with folded wings, the tail would make for a horribly disconfigured hitbox. Sakurai could make it work, but it wouldn't turn out the way one would hope. Would you want a tiny Ridley who's head can't even see over the bottom platform of Battlefield? It would be terribly embarrassing. I know that he wouldn't look too bad compared to, say, Samus or Bowser, but he'd only be like twice as tall as Pikachu, where normally he could swallow the rodent in one bite.SonicROBTrainer (talk) 00:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, why not have his final smash be somewhat similar to Captain Falcon's, with a combination of Ike's Great Aether move. The intro could be like Gannondorf's, the middle could be like Ike's, & the end could be like Captain Falcon's. Down Special could be his Tail Hop Move from Super Metriod, he could have his side special be an uppercut with his claw, and his neutral special would be fire barrage (take time to charge, of course). His upward special would be similar to Pit's, only it doesn't last as long. He is NOT too big, as his Meta Ridley form is the same size as his normal form, & if you played Metroid Fusion, you would have seen he is an equivalent to Bowser. His smashes could make use of his teeth, claws, & tail (ex: Up Smash: Wing Slam. Side Smash: Bite. Down Smash: Tail Spin). In my opinion, Ridley would be a great character. His attack combo: swipe, backhand, headbutt. His airel could be a flip, while his meteor strike could be a strong bite. His back airel could be a tail swing. His upward airel could be an upward lunge with his snout. His speed would be slow, with high traction, heavyweight, power, with small jumps. His jump amount would be that of Meta Knight's, and he would have slow attacks. To note: Ridley does touch the ground, as seen in Metroid Prime & Super Metroid, in the first and second battles he fades in standing on the ground. Other possible Final Smashes: Space Pirate Fleet, Meta Ridley (form), Omega Ridley (form), Metroid Swarm (attack) Mother Brain (attack) Kraid (attack) Meta Kraid (attack(He was going to be a boss in Metroid Prime)) Stage Crush (attack). Meta Ridley might even be a separate palette, just as Omega Ridley might. Instead of Fireballs, the Meta Ridley palette might spit rockets, while the Omega Ridley one might spit clumps of Phazon. BTW, you can call me ShamanMan64. Reply to this by editing this, then put a comment. Peace out, man.

Meta-Ridley?

How would you guys feel about MR being playable? He's close to Samus in size,has a wider varity of attacks, has been seen on the ground, and (from my POV) doesn't lend himself to being anyone's clone.(Fossilgojira (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

if ridley was playable, that would be a possible final smash.

Too big

RIDLEY IS TOO BIG!! if you scaled him down to samus size he would look pathetic. the whole point of ridley is "the big boss" not "the boss who shrunk" And dark overlord, chargeable mach tornado?!?! that would be the most spammable move ive ever seen. and the up B? super sonic speed? he isnt a fricken jet. and the side special just cant be chargeable, that would make it too powerfull. it should be that tail scrape thing. plus, he wouldnt be a classic smash character. think about it. all the characters are heroes or semi heroes, bowser is a classic. Ridley just doesnt have that. he would either be too powerfull or just plain old suck. Curlyfries (talk) 03:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Meta-ridley has the same problems as ridley, the primary one being (yes, it's true) that he's NOT close to Samus, he's several times as big, which is far too large.–Entrea Sumatae 03:28, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

He wouldn't look to weird if he is shrunk. Look at his picture. he's actually very bony, not bulky like you might have pictured him. sure they would have to change him a little, but he would be fine. Solar flute (talk) sig you could also argue that Bowser is too big. Solar flute (talk) 00:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

In the original Metroid game, Ridley was not much larger than Samus (although this was due to technical limitations). He would have made a plausible playable character in that form, but considering that Smash Bros. already portrays him as huge, I highly doubt that he will become a playable character without a significant change to the game itself. --UberScienceNerd (talk) 00:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Ridley isnt a playable character because he would murder everyone then eat their remains.

Actually, it would all probably depend on his size in the last Metroid game before the next Smash Bros. game, or his size in the next one after, as he could always be added as an advertising character. Anyways, he really wasn't much bigger than Samus in the original Metroid, and in the melee opening he is maybe a head taller. Make him about the same size as Charizard, and you shouldn't really have a problem. As for moveset, up+B: he could do that fly up, then land thing he did in SSE. Over+B: Fly across the screen like he does in SSE. B: Fire breath or plasma or whatever. Down+B: Tail swipe like in the Metroid games and SSE. Final Smash: Omega Ridley OR he calls in a Space Pirate platoon to wipe out everybody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.63.146 (talk • contribs)

Size doesn't matter much he could be VERY slow on ground but be faster in the air, like Jiggly. He doesn't have to be a heavy guy, just takes up some space. 98.117.158.220 01:21, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

GUYS! Ridley has a chance for super smash bros (insert possible brawl word here)!i beleive ridley will apear about as big as bowser and rob stacked up.besides, Olimar got in(somehow),and hes only the size of a quater in his games,and ridley wasnt too big in the opening in melee, so sakurai has no reason to exclud ridey!

Size does matter a lot. Does anyone notice the size range of all of Brawl's characters? They aren't too large, as compared to how enormous Ridley was meant to be. If you wanted Ridley to be regular-sized like the rest of Brawl's roster, you'd have him look very weird. He's not meant to look mini-sized. It's almost as ridiculous as saying that Mini-Kraid should be a boss, which doesn't work. And given that Ridley is portrayed as a boss is in the SSE, the chance that he'll ever be a character is close to none: people like Sakurai don't just suddenly change their minds and think that Porky should be a playable character, for the exact same reason. And anyways, scaling Ridley's powers would make him ridiculous; mini-fireballs from a boss figure doesn't work. RAN1 01:44, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying he should have been in brawl, just in the next SSB. So should porkey. And BtW, have you played Luigi's Mansion? Look how big Bowser is in that game. I have't battled him in any Metroid games, but based on the kind of attacks he does in brawl, here's my moveset of him: B neutral: fireball, similar to wolf's blaster in knockback and damage, but slightly rounder. B side:rush, ridly charges, kinda like fox's B side. B up: obviously a move that has to do with flying. B down: I'll have to play more metroid games to decide this. The only reason why ridly seems big is that he's usualy seen floating, tail touching the ground, with wings spread. And just because a character is a boss doesn't mean they can't be playable.98.117.158.220 02:06, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

As a note, Ridly could be about 1.5 times as tall as Bowser, the same height as in Metroid for the NES. His normal walk, of course, would be very slow. Mr. Anon teh awsome 18:52, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Have YOU played it? It was King Boo in a costume. Bowser's actual size is smaller. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megatron1 (talk • contribs)

Master Hand wasn't intended to be played as. Any character can be played as through hacks.--MegaTron1XD 06:14, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, no, it wasn't Boo in a costume, it was Boo posessing an undead Bowser. Second of all, that was a comment I made months ago. I could have been blocked back then, yet still validly run for adminship now. Third of all, that's not the point. MH is huge, the size of a regular boss, yet he doesn't seem too out of proportion. Anon 04:30, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Lost to King Dedede

I read somewhere that Ridley was supposed to be playable but he lost to King Dedede. Now argue over if it was really worth it to put in Ridley over Dedede. I think it is because Masahiro Sakurai is overrepresenting his own series again, which is why Dedede wasn't playable in SSB or Melee, not to mention Meta Knight is number 1 on the tier which is no fault of Sakurai. But if Ridley were in Brawl, Meta Knight might not have been the great oh awesomeness everyone seems to think he is when he is actually cheasy and lame in my opinion. So I think Ridley could've dominated Meta Knight which is a great reason for why he should've been in Brawl. Zero Suit Samus is like Sheik, so for all of you who wanted Young Link for Brawl too, is it Sheik's fault? Also, Ridley wasn't so big in the original Metroid was he? Mintstarr (Talk) 19:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Samus=Almost Bowser Ridley=2x Samus. Also, the creators didn't predict the tisr list. No one knew that Meta Knight would be first or Ganondorf would be last.--MegaTron1XD 00:45, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but now everyone seems to think that Meta Knight is the best. That might've been different if Ridley was in Brawl. I also think Ridley is a better character overall than Meta Knight Mintstarr (Talk) 04:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

How? Anon 04:26, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Your reasons for Ridley being excluded from the playable cast are poor and highly unlikely. Whenever you read something, you have to considered the source. Unless what you read was about something Sakurai said that's from a reliable source, chances are it's not true. As for King Dedede being the reason that's Ridley is not playable is quite ridiculous. Firstly, three characters is far from over representing a series. Secondly, the main reason Dedede was supposedly not playable in the first two games was due to time and/or memory constraints. Since Dedede was supposed to be planned since the first game, King Dedede was likely one of the first newcomers planned, which reduces the likelihood of the situation you presented where the developers had only enough time to only choose between Dedede and Ridley. The likely reason Ridley is not playable is because the developers felt he would be more suitable as a SSE boss, not because King Dedede is playable. As for you saying if Ridley was playable that Meta Knight would be dominated by him is just stupid speculation. There is no way to know how good a nonplayable character would have been and saying Ridley would have made Meta Knight not a great character is just ridiculous. Considering how good Meta Knight is, Ridley would either have to be a god tier character, which would just cause even more problems than Meta Knight has had, or the theoretical playable Ridley would have to have a matchup around 75:25 or better against Meta Knight while having a reasonable matchup against the majority of the remaining characters, which would be nearly impossible to do. For Ridley to dominate Meta Knight, the former would almost always have to be the case, which would cause people to not want him to be playable. Now then, if Ridley was god tier and dominated Meta Knight, do you think Meta Knight would still be the character that people complained about being too good? Simply no, Ridley would be the one attracting the complaints of being too good and be the one that people would call to be banned. After such a theoretical ban on Ridley, then Meta Knight could attract the attention he has now. As such, saying Ridley should be playable since he would "dominate" Meta Knight is a very poor reason as if such was true, Meta Knight wouldn't be the character you would be complaining about being too good (barring the near impossibility that Ridley somehow hard countered Meta Knight while keeping a reasonable matchup against the majority of the remaining cast). Also, you saying Sheik was the reason Young Link wasn't in Brawl is just plain ridiculous (um, do you know who Toon Link is?). Omega Tyrant 04:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Also, there is no way he's over reperasenting the franchise. Kirby is one of Nintendo's largest and most popular franchises, yet for a long time, if anything, Sakurai was underepresenting the franchise. In fact, you might want to look at other series before saying stuff like this. Starfox also has three characters, despite only having 6 games, one of which wasn't even released, another of which was a remake, and a third was just the engine of some other game turned into a Starfox game. So in reality, Starfox only has 3 real games, compared to the many more real games Kirby has. Sir Anon the great 04:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, why does everyone hate Meta Knight? So what, he's good. The creators balanced this out by giving him the worst Final Smash in the game. People didn't complain about Fox and Shiek dominating Melee, or Pikachu not giving anyone else a shot in SSB64. Mr. Anon teh awsome 04:37, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

People hate Meta Knight because they feel he is too good or by their terms, he's "broken". Also, Meta Knight tends to dominate more than the previous tier leaders did. Not that I agree he is too good, I was reporting the fact that there are many people who think Meta Knight is too good and if what Mintstarr said was true, chances are that Ridley would be the one getting the negative attention and more so than Meta Knight has. Omega Tyrant 04:47, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok forget the whole dedede and overrepresenting thing and the sse. Now im wondering if anyone else thinks that Ridley shouldve been playable and NOT LUCAS. Hes weak, wimpy, and has no point of life. Ridley wouldve worked better. And the whole mk thing was my opinion.

You just touched a subject you should never have touched, because LUCAS IS MY MAIN! Ness himself is the same as him in their respective games except Ness is braver. Lucas was planned to replace Ness in SSBM because he was the latest star. Ridley is not the main villian of the whole franchise. Metroid are always the main villian. Lucas was at least the main hero. Lucas is not weak. In SSBB, his smashes have good KO potential but can miss easily. Not the point though. I can't provide a wall of text, but guess what. Lucas isn't weak, wimpy, and pointless. If anything, EVER CHARACTER CAN BE WEAK, WIMPY, AND POINTLESS. It's your view on this. And frankly, Nintendo doesn't care about a non worker's view.--MegaTron1XD 15:24, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thats means they don't care about your view either. They don't even know me. Samus and Peach are my favorites but lots of people deny and hate them but I'm not offending them am I? And Ridley is a better FIGHTER than lucas. metroid Fighting Vs. Earthbound fighting. Easy to know which has better fighting skills. In the SSE he was all mopey and sad. Maybe he isn't weak but that's how I see him. I ranked him last js. Also, it was true what I said about dedede beating Ridley. check the trivia. Also about sheik, toon and young link, I was making a point and I know tl replaced yl. But if since ZSS is being blamed for ridley not being in I wanted to show them how ridiculous it looked. And the whole mk thing was my personal opinion. Mintstarr (User Talk:Mintstarr) 15:34, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Both of you stop this, everyone has their own opinion on each character. But you do not insult someone simply for disliking your main. This forum is supposed to be about why Ridley was not made a playable character, not about whether or not Ridley would be a better fighter than an existing character. If one of you makes another post on this forum, it better be relevant to the topic. As for the Ridley dominating Meta Knight reason, it was very flawed one and I was simply pointing out the flaws in what you said. Omega Tyrant 15:42, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Also, for the trivia Mintstarr, it does not say Ridley lost a playable character spot to King Dedede. It is saying that in Japanese polls for who people think should be a playable character in Brawl that Ridley won the second most amount of them, only having won less than Dedede. That has nothing to do with Dedede being the reason Ridley is not a playable character. Omega Tyrant 15:48, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

All I wanna say is that Ridley lost to Dedede is true but probably not the main reason he isn't playable.Mintstarr (Talk) 15:51, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley losing to Dedede is not what the trivia is saying. What the trivia is saying is that in polls that were held in Japan that asked people on who they thought should be a playable character, Ridley won the second most amount of them with Dedede being the only character having to won more. Ridley did not explicitly "lose" to Dedede as these polls also included other characters, not just these two. Omega Tyrant 16:02, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Metroids are not always the main villain. Mother Brain has been the most recurring final boss in that series Oni Dark Link 18:27, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well he didn't exactly lose to King Dedede, it was just influence on who should be playable. If Ridley had more votes than dedede, there would've been a better chance ridley would've been playable, but not for certain.Mintstarr (Talk) 18:41, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

No, you're not getting the point. These were multiple polls that had more than just Ridley and King Dedede on them. The trivia says Ridley had the most votes in four of these polls, with Dedede being the only character who came first in more polls (Dedede won five of them). If this trivia is true, it increased Ridley's chance of being a playable character, not decreased it. The fact that Ridley was chosen to be a boss instead of a playable character likely wouldn't have changed if Ridley had won one or two more of these polls, considering that Ridley was already a popular character choice to be in "Brawl", evident by coming first in more of these polls than any character other than King Dedede. Omega Tyrant 20:10, July 29, 2010 (UTC)