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Round 136: Kyogre vs. Groudon

		Winner!! Kyogre 22 to 8.5
The sea and the land collide once more. Which way will the coastline sway?
Votes for Kyogre I remember when my Ruby got stolen in 5th grade. Bad times. Kyogre FTW. 24.168.107.113 09:23, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Probably the most satisfying KO possible in Smash Bros. would come courtesy of FLUDD/Water Gun, yet so many people diss it. Watching Kyogre take it to the extreme makes their ironic falls fun. I prefer Groudon as a Pokémon, but Kyogre edges it here. Toast ltimatum 09:25, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Even though I like Groudon better, Kyogre would be better at KOing people in Brawl. ..... The Cutest 10:25, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre is badass against Groudon. ShupaRoeh 10:42, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Hydro Pump > Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 10:50, 28 April 2012 (EDT) A Sheer Cold KO at 0%. Groudon can't do that. DarkFox01 10:55, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Can actually KO at lower percentages. 204.191.132.218 11:21, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Water, my favorite type. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 11:35, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre, use sheer cold! 99.235.62.184 14:02, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre is better in Brawl and better in RSE, and its robot version is more useful than Groudon's in XD. No amount of me wanting to vote for the underdog can change this. 123JamesHeart 15:33, 28 April 2012 (EDT) OHKO potential vs low damage and knockback. No contest. King KirbyD 16:45, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Kyogre has always been the superior Pokemon to me. 110.174.90.69 23:04, 28 April 2012 (EDT) I really like water types more than ground types, also I like Kyogre's SHEER COLD!!!!!User talk:Smashtito 23:14, 29 April 2012 (EDT) In Gen 4, he was known as the King of Ubers, being the best pokemon in the game. In Brawl under normal situations, he's the only pokemon who can pretty much guarantee a KO without your involvement, and the only one who can KO the same opponent twice. The best pokemon in the RPGs, and the best pokemon in Brawl, while Groudon is by far the worst legendary in Brawl outside the gift givers and Manaphy. Omega Tyrant 02:44, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Although I like Groudon better for a pokemon because it can use lots of fire type moves, in Brawl Kyogre is much better because it can just push others out of the screen easily. Stranger 1260 05:48, 29 April 2012 (EDT) They're both legendary, but I'm goin' for Kyogre. Smash Master 17:17, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Water types rule. 67.173.145.76 12:00, 1 May 2012 (EDT) No real competition. Water > Fire.94.4.227.74 16:47, 1 May 2012 (EDT) Water > Ground; LOL (and I started the game series with Pokémon Sapphire Version, so yeah). While I lament that the move Hydro Pump has been switched over to a not-often-seen legendary Pokémon rather than a more common Blastoise-family member, Kyogre is much more effective than its volcanic counterpart, Groudon (and I'm glad both of them finally transitioned to the Smash Bros. series). Kyogre damages foes on contact (which is Groudon's sole function in Brawl) and bothers to actually move around the stage, in addition to blasting opponents off the stage with water. Groudon, however, just...sits there using "Overheat", with his true effectiveness mainly being restricted to small stages. And in the actual Pokémon handheld game series, Kyogre freaking decimates much of the opposition compared to Groudon. In any case, both of these Pokémon are awesome (with an excellent ominous battle theme in the Pokémon games and the Pokémon anime, to boot), but Kyogre gains a major edge. 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Kyogre easely blows Groudon out of the water. Captain Falcon talk 14:31, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Better Pokemon. Mr. Anontalk 22:47, 3 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Kyogre easily KOs people by pushing them off the stage, while Groudon only turns around on the spot wher it was summoned. Plus, Kyogre follows you everywhere, while Groudon is easy to dodge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.218.146 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 29 April (EDT) Kyogre moves around, blowing every opponent away with water. Groudon just chills around on one spot.-Kaizer24.185.135.102 01:48, 29 April 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Groudon Kyogre is much more powerful than Groudon. Therefore, Groudon is more fair. Meta Ike 20:16, 28 April 2012 (EDT) Fire. --Fan275 13:39, 29 April 2012 (EDT) This guy looks cooler. This is a pity vote really.92.42.57.34 04:48, 30 April 2012 (EDT) More sympathy votes. 199.185.67.18 11:04, 30 April 2012 (EDT) He lives in a volcano. Nuff' said.174.30.220.71 17:19, 30 April 2012 (EDT) I kinda don't see why everyone likes water more than fire. Sorry if this is a pokemon reference, but fire decks are all the rage in the tcg nowdays.71.55.130.169 17:34, 1 May 2012 (EDT)BK I JUST FUCKING LOVE BLUEBERRIES--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 17:42, 2 May 2012 (EDT) I totally agree with the half vote!Shanicpower (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Groudon will lose, but the Groudon glitch always make me laugh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.17.116.198 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 3 May 2012‎
Comments Perhaps maybe we could also put Rayquaza in this match too. :P ..... The Cutest 13:56, 29 April 2012 (EDT) Agreed; a three-way match would have been much better, in my opinion. It seems wrong to exclude Rayquaza from the match, as a relationship has been established among Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza (most evident in the legends/stories of Pokémon Emerald Version). Land·Sea·Sky, anyone? Personally, I would have liked to see how Rayquaza fares against Kyogre, as I'm surprised that Kyogre is dominating with votes in this poll against Groudon. 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Hmm, a few people seem to think Kyogre uses Sheer Cold for its attack, and some think Groudon is a fire-type. I sense some of you may have thought that Kyogre uses Sheer Cold because of its trophy description, but it uses Hydro Pump. Groudon, I can understand, but it is in fact a pure ground type. Toast ltimatum 18:21, 1 May 2012 (EDT) Some people thinks that Kyogre's Sheer Cold is powerful, but don't forget that Groudon can use Fissure. Stranger 1260 07:37, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Although Sheer Cold is advantageous in that no Pokémon has a natural type immunity to it, unlike Fissure (which Flying-type Pokémon and Pokémon with the Levitate ability easily avoid). 72.3.33.15 14:10, 2 May 2012 (EDT) @71.55.130.169, Groudon is not a fire type, it's ground. The Solar Dragon 14:36, 2 May 2012 (EDT) @Stranger: Rule 12. Also, @72.3.33.15, your vote is way too long. DarkFox01 16:50, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Stranger1260 just put that a user went wrong. ShupaRoeh 18:54, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Nothing at all forbids him from having a long vote, I credit him for that. BTW @That IP, you ought to get an account, so you're more recognisable, seeing as you put so much effort in. Toast ltimatum 17:50, 2 May 2012 (EDT) Hehe, I think of france's flag when I see the comment boxes.Shanicpower (talk) 14:12, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Round 137: Fire Flower vs. Lip's Stick

		Winner!! Fire Flower 22.5 to 16
Two flower-based items, one with spore shooting, the other with combustive chemicals. Which petal-powered pickup prevails?
Votes for Fire Flower After you're done using it, you can throw it for average knock back and fair damage. Also, it's ever so present in Mario, I just love it quite a large amount.Vincent Transvestite O_o 23:35, 4 May 2012 (EDT) I like Mario, so I like Fire Flower. Besides, MALLEO says this kickass quote! ShupaRoeh 00:38, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Longer and deals damage on the spot. Despise the fact you can DI out of it. LightningBlue: LBPeep 00:41, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Burn baby burn! Disco...Inferno!! 208.54.40.214 01:15, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Using this against the wall= Epic Trolling. King KirbyD 07:44, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Mario is always special 2 me!!!99.235.62.184 10:26, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Very close decision for me, but Fire Flower just wins in the heat of battle. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 10:41, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Fire versus, what, something that puts a flower on your head? This one wins in the coolness department.174.30.216.74 17:16, 5 May 2012 (EDT) In Brawl, characters can move while using it now, meaning that it can be used to push a character beyond the blast line, resulting in a K.O. Smash Master 17:29, 5 May 2012 (EDT) ..... The Cutest 09:25, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Fire flower will never be PWNED by a simple flower. User talk:Smashtito 12:09, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Lipstick sucks anyway.194.17.116.198 05:26, 7 May 2012 (EDT) This shoots flames. The other makes the opponent grow a flower on their head. No contest. Takava (talk) 14:31, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I'm not letting that crappy flower win. Fire burn flowers. I have never once K.Oed someone with a flower thing but the fire flower has gotten me 1 so it wins. 92.42.57.34 03:23, 8 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower (Smash) = Fire Flower (Mario). Lip's Stick (Smash) = Anyone off Jersey Shore's stained trousers. FIRE FLOWER ALL THE WAY! 81.141.68.50 04:41, 8 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower isn't annoying, the only thing I wish would change is how much it's affected by gravity. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 15:57, 10 May 2012 (EDT) I never play with items turned on, and fire flowers are cooler. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 20:54, 10 May 2012 (EDT) Although I like the Lip's Stick's punny name and its prolonged effect during opponent-battering, Fire Flower FTW - mainly due to TEH F1R3Z and its usage has more "oomph" to it. I like the Fire Flower's design a bit more (especially in SSB Brawl), and the flames that it spews/secretes are amazing against foes that are backed into a corner/against a wall. Also, whenever you or your teammate is Ness or Lucas during matches, the Fire Flower does wonders when PSI Magnet is used to absorb the flames. I do wish the Fire Flower caused better damage/knockback whenever it is thrown/discarded, though. Fenyx4 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Love Mario games. DarkFox01 18:20, 11 May 2012 (EDT) --Havoc48 >:D!!! 12:07, 13 May 2012 (EDT) For Nostalgia Sakes. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:54, 17 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes I think that the fire flower would be better because it can detonate any bombs or explosive crates and K.O any opponents Brawler543 (talk) 11:24, 8 May 2012 (EDT) The Fire Flower is epic! The Lip's Stick... just sucks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.37.38 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 13 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower is the number one item in the Mario Series!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.41.205 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 15 May 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Lip's Stick Lip's stick creates flowers that damages others, and that's the thing that I like. Stranger 1260 23:32, 4 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower getting credited for its throw attack? I didn't think I'd hear that, I don't think of the discard attack as very good. Lip's Stick, however, has a very good throw attack, with good range, effect, and still plants the flower. And Fire Flower's general attack use is not something I'm a fan of. Plus, I loved Pokémon Puzzle Challenge, so Panel De Pon must be good :P Toast ltimatum 09:26, 5 May 2012 (EDT) This thing rocks. You can constantly damage your opponent and make them look stupid! 24.168.107.113 10:13, 5 May 2012 (EDT) 204.191.132.218 12:10, 5 May 2012 (EDT) REALLY close decision, but ultimately I choose Lip's Stick since it also makes a decent throwing item. 110.174.90.69 12:16, 5 May 2012 (EDT) The flower of death. --Fan275 16:11, 5 May 2012 (EDT) THE FLOWER OF FLOWERS-- Captain Falcon talk 09:03, 6 May 2012 (EDT) Inspite of Lip's Stick being a kinda disturbing name, it feels like it takes more skill to use one of these.71.55.128.250 14:57, 6 May 2012 (EDT)BK While Lip's Stick is an average item, Fire Flower is near useless, with its item attack being decidedly poor (low damage, poor range for a projectile, and a multi-hitting attack that's easy to escape), and its throw attack is among the worst of items (nearly no knockback, poor damage, and its flight is slow as well as short distanced). Omega Tyrant 06:03, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I find this more useful. 199.185.67.18 11:03, 7 May 2012 (EDT) I like the Fire Flower, just not so much in Brawl. Lip's Stick is fun to use. 67.173.145.76 15:32, 7 May 2012 (EDT) Fire Flower is good in the Mario Series, but in Brawl Fire Flower's ability is just too normal. Kirbysuperstar (talk) 07:14, 8 May 2012 (EDT) This thing is way more fun to use. Floor2000x (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2012 (EDT) The one I always use. 123JamesHeart 11:08, 12 May 2012 (EDT) It's more useful in my opinion. --SSBfan1239 (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Flower Brawls definitely help de-promote the cheapness of camping. Toadat9021doh (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2012 (EDT) Lip's stick is the much better weapon. I think the only reason Fire Flower is winning is because it is from the iconic Mario series, while Lip's Stick is from an uncommon game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.160.215.75 (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}
Comments Now that's the battle that would create lots of suspense! ShupaRoeh 21:22, 7 May 2012 (EDT) @Blue Ninjakoopa: Wellllllllll look who's back. Semicolon (talk) 18:10, 10 May 2012 (EDT) Oh NOT Semicolon! the user's dumb! ShupaRoeh 22:23, 10 May 2012 (EDT) ToastUltimatum expects imminent doom to ShupaRoeh Toast ltimatum 11:24, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Not Toast in this crap! ShupaRoeh 17:45, 11 May 2012 (EDT) I don't quite follow. But insult Semicolon at your own peril. Toast ltimatum 17:56, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Question to ShupaRoeh: just what in the heck do you think you're doing? You get one chance to explain this odd behavior. Semicolon (talk) 08:59, 12 May 2012 (EDT) I give up. ShupaRoeh 09:27, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Wrong answer. You don't go around moving stuff and then calling other users dumb (unless they've done something dumb. Then that's perfectly okay.) As I didn't do anything dumb, calling me dumb is a violation of SW:NPA. Since it's so marginal, I thought I'd give you a chance to explain it, as it seemed odd, unsolicited, and curiously psychotic in a harmless sort of way. Since you have no explanation, consider this a (confused) warning. Semicolon (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2012 (EDT) I really like the awesome alliteration present in this poll's/match's description. XD Fenyx4 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2012 (EDT) Btw shuparoeh read rule 12 for a change. Do not make commets about the status of the fight. It is not necessary. LightningBlue: LBPeep 18:32, 11 May 2012 (EDT) I didn't see the rule. Add it or leave it. ShupaRoeh 23:51, 11 May 2012 (EDT) No new round this week, the file in which I keep Smash Arena data got messed up and I have to redo it. Toomai Glittershine The Spark 18:18, 12 May 2012 (EDT) Its ok, take your time to take a break from all this hark work this end of school year. ..... The Pylon 13:30, 13 May 2012 (EDT) Completely wrong reason, especially since my school ended a month ago. Toomai Glittershine The Spark 21:19, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Round 138: Marth vs. Lucas

		Winner!! Marth 18.5 to 16
Their series marred under the constant gaze of the Pacific Fog, these two combatants have been stuck in Japanland for too long. Which has superior foreign support?
Votes for Marth Marth has much more finesse and grace than that cowardly Lucas. Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2012 (EDT) I don't have much intrest in either, but I'd say Marth because he has a cool outfit and Lucas is overrated by fans anyways 98.247.37.38 23:14, 18 May 2012 (EDT) Marth is one of my most-used characters in both Melee and Brawl. RickTommy (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2012 (EDT) In regular terms since I'm an EarthBound fanboy, I would probably choose Lucas. In Smashing and Smash arena terms, I would choose Marth because he can grab release and pummel Lucas to his Ultimate Doom. His grab release technique cheapness level is almost as equal to a zerg rush in StarCraft. ..... The Pylon 00:00, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Lucas's powered-up A is too cheap. Its killed me before at 40% damage.71.55.135.138 09:07, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Remind me again - who made it across the border? Exactly. 24.168.107.113 10:03, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Critical Hit will win PK Starstorm. Stranger 1260 11:34, 19 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese says: I just have to much to say so I will say nothing.75.31.4.16 12:17, 19 May 2012 (EDT)The Cheese 11:16 5/19/2012 The RPG's eh? I prefer marth's style and appearance. Don't forget his sword. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 18:17, 19 May 2012 (EDT) I hate Lucas -_- Avengingbandit 20:30, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Marth, as a character, has endured many of life's pains in his times. I vote for him not only because I prefer his playstyle over Lucas, but also his history in his game.Vincent Transcendant 21:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Fun fact:Marth is number 7 on the tier list, and I have amazing talent with him. Plus he looks awesome. MARTH FTW!174.20.240.156 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT) Marth's moveset seems to hold more appeal than Lucas's and, as of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, also manages to be unique. I also like his taunts and general personality (or at least what we can discern of him from his appearances in the SSB series). Unleashing Dancing Blade skillfully on opponents is also fun to perform, as well as landing sweetspotted offensives correctly. Additionally, Marth comes with a sword, which practically seals the deal right there. Although Lucas's fully-charged Up Smash attack and PK Starstorm Final Smash are quite admirable in terms of strength... Fenyx4 (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2012 (EDT) He is not a stupid, crappy little kid who can only recover my shooting himself up the ass with a ball of lightning... That's all the reasoning I need. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:47, 22 May 2012 (EDT) It's close and I just have to vote for my favourite. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 20:24, 22 May 2012 (EDT) Marth positively demolishes Lucas with his grab release. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 19:13, 23 May 2012 (EDT) Marth's got kill moves like Lucas does, but more of his are faster and his aerial game is better. Plus, Marth is blue. Blue Ninjakoopa(Talk) 21:43, 23 May 2012 (EDT) Marth is far cooler. Homika (talk) 12:20, 25 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes I hate both... Lucas is the worst character on Earth. And I'm bound to steal Accoolx's pun. Marth is worse than even Ike (Ike is a main for me however,) mostly because of no fire in his moves. And his emblem sucks, I mean really? A sword? But I like Martha a bit better. So you know what? Give me a half-vote. 208.54.40.230 14:41, 22 May 2012 (EDT)			Votes for Lucas Favorite character and I have played Mother 3. Never played a fire emblem game. 204.191.138.146 21:35, 18 May 2012 (EDT) I love Lucas more than any other game character on Earth. I'm bound to pick him. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 21:47, 18 May 2012 (EDT) I find Marth to be a really annoying character, Lucas on the other hand I find fun to play as. 110.174.90.69 22:18, 18 May 2012 (EDT) Lucas is fun! btw I feel sorry for him. ShupaRoeh 00:03, 19 May 2012 (EDT) I haven't played Fire Emblem and Lucas is one of my mains. 123JamesHeart 00:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT) I think that Lucas is more stronger in brawl than Marth. 67.68.41.205 08:25, 19 May 2012 (EDT) My main back in the early stages of Brawl, before I started playing somewhat skillfully. Even though a competent player could shield right through it, I still love PK Thunder. You wouldn't think Lucas was 13, wouldja? Toast ltimatum 11:16, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Marth ain't my favorite due to his best moves having very small sweetspots, which I don't like. I'll go with Lucas any 'ole day of the week, I tell you what. 97.67.160.226 12:39, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Simple: I. Hate. Marth. NO questions answered asked. --76.20.130.244 18:08, 19 May 2012 (EDT) I wasn't very happy of how Marth played. Lucas on the the otherhand plays very well. --SSBfan1239 (talk) 20:30, 19 May 2012 (EDT) I love Mother 3 to pieces! Thus, I absolutely MUST vote for Lucas. Such a good character, and very very fun and easy to play as. Lucas is awesome! 70.241.28.208 23:57, 21 May 2012 (EDT) He has control of t3h PK phir3!194.17.116.198 03:11, 22 May 2012 (EDT) Both have gone through hard times, though I don't know Marth's story as well as Lucas'. 199.185.67.18 11:01, 22 May 2012 (EDT) Lucas' game is much better than Marth's. He is also my main. Shanderu (talk) 18:54, 23 May 2012 (EDT) Earthbound rawks. 67.173.145.76 21:21, 24 May 2012 (EDT) Half votes Only two things to say, 1.I don´t really like marth and 2.PK Thunder user talk:smashtito 23:38, 18 May 2012 (EDT) Lucas is very fun to play and I like how he is one of the only people in the game that has a balanced amount of powerful and weak attacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.251.69 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 19 May 2012
Comments James, I don't see something wrong with the placing of smashtito's vote. ShupaRoeh 00:21, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Votes are supposed to be placed in chronological order, plus smashtito's edit also seemed to change some of another user's vote. If these reasons seem too weak for a vote to be in the half votes section, feel free to change it; I'm definitely not the final word on anything on here. 123JamesHeart 00:42, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Sorry for objecting. I finally get the reason. ShupaRoeh 00:48, 19 May 2012 (EDT) The Cheese says: It's so neck-and-neck right now! (If this comment is aggenist rules please delete it A.S.A.P. and leave a comment telling what I did wrong please.) 75.31.4.16 12:25, 19 May 2012 (EDT)The Cheese You can also just put your signature to your vote. ..... The Pylon 13:17, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Can't post the status of the fight. By the way, they told me not to post the status. ShupaRoeh 12:33, 19 May 2012 (EDT) If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, look at the Kirby. It isn't next to a part of a signature. I'm not even sure the signer is going to fix it. ShupaRoeh 22:08, 19 May 2012 (EDT) The signature in question had an extra Enter, which I've removed. The vote will not count as half because it was a problem with the sig, not the vote. Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 22:40, 19 May 2012 (EDT) Like James said, I'm not the final word. ShupaRoeh 22:45, 19 May 2012 (EDT) LOL...nice pun you made there, AccoolX/Lucas Vote #2. Fenyx4 (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2012 (EDT) I hope in the next smash arena, that they put Sonic vs Shadow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.68.41.205 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 21 May 2012 It probably won't be next match, but you can show your support by voting for the Sonic vs. Shadow suggestion. 123JamesHeart 20:46, 21 May 2012 (EDT) @AcoolX That pun was even better than Toast's puns!194.17.116.198 03:14, 22 May 2012 (EDT) I'm slightly upset at that half-vote for stealing my pun. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 19:57, 23 May 2012 (EDT) Don't worry about it Accoolx. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 20:57, 23 May 2012 (EDT) This hater can be banned in a wiki crash. ShupaRoeh 22:20, 23 May 2012 (EDT) Yea he did steal it didn't he? So like LightningBlue said don't worry about it. Headmaster Hand (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2012 (EDT)