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| New tier list. Discuss. <span style="color:#4CBB17">--Posted by</span> [[User:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">Pikamander2</span>]] <small>[[User Talk:Pikamander2|<span style="color:#007FFF">(Talk)</span>]]</small> at 22:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :I already started a section on the old topic, but oh well. Lots of changes in the tier below top in this one. Every old high tier got moved, with Marth and Diddy getting to A Tier, DK and Wolf moving down and so on.- [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 22:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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| Once again. Jigglypuff went down, not happy. Ice climbers went down, not happy. Falco went up, happy. Wolf went down, not happy. [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]] • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 22:25, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
| | Even though it's a dumb idea, discussion about fully banning MK still exists and I've seen tourneys on AiB from time to time that do ban him. So if they did go all the way and add "MK is banned" to the SBR rules, would he be removed from the tier list? After all, it's those rules that created the environment that gave him his top place in the first place. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 16:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | :I would think he would remain on the tier list, but in his own tier named "Broken" or something. Just so the noobs wouldn't complain with "u mised metaknight you dips" etc. |
| | :That said, it really shouldn't happen. From what I've heard, Yoshi is a strong enough counter that it won't come to that. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 17:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | ::All I have to say to people complaining about the banning or complaining about him requiring banning is that if your grievances are so great, go play a different game. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] ([[User talk:Semicolon|talk]]) 21:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | :::I agree. '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| YEAH!!!! Peach went up!!! Shes in the exact middle if you take the numbers away! [[User:JtM|JtM =^]]] ([[User talk:JtM|talk]]) 23:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
| | == In case nobody's heard about WHOBO == |
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| Ya know, Im gonna make my own page with commentary on this. [[User:Cheezperson/tier talk|Go here]] to see my views. '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| I'm really not liking the Sonic Riders-style "SS Tier" bit; what was wrong with High, Mid, Low? Anyways, Kirby's up one, which I like. Falco went up, which I like. Marth is back on the top, but R.O.B. going down disappoints me. Wario's too high for his own good (Wario for bottom tier!). Olimar's skyrocket was expected. Wolf shouldn't have gone down. Luigi should have gone down, Zelda up. Link's finally gone up! Ness and Lucas are going the wrong way, and that's all I have to say.--[[User:Meta-K|Meta-K]] ([[User talk:Meta-K|talk]]) 00:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | *1: M2K=meta knight |
| | *2: Dojo=meta knight |
| | *3: DSF= meta knight/snake/wario |
| | *4: Lee Martin=lucario/meta knight |
| | *5: Tyrant=meta knight |
| | *5: Co18=king dedede |
| | *7: Domo=meta knight |
| | *7: Melee1=ice climbers/meta knight |
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| IMO, this version is a little better. R.O.B. and Wolf can no longer be targeted by scrubs as "cheap" now that they're low enough, but unfortunately, neither can Pit. I wish Mario and Ness would be placed in their rightful places, which is the 'C' tier, being that they have balanced attributes. Then again, their terrible recoveries would bring them to the 'D' ranking. I'm amazed at Olimar's placement O.o His recovery is terrible, as it doesn't grab the ledge 100% of the time, and he's very light, but he does have fast, strong smashes and aerials as well as outstanding speed. I also see how Ganondorf and C. Falcon haven't moved >.> <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 00:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | Meta Knight and other high tiers. Discussion plz.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| :Tier listing doesn't mean that scrubs will still call characters cheap. I'm actually a bit surprised that ZSS and Olimar went up, and Pokemon Trainer went down. '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 00:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | :That's why they're high-tier. Nothing else to discuss. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 23:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| ::What? I'm saying that the common scrub will call anything cheap so long as it's associated with a high tier character, and you should know that by now. If a scrub calls a lower tier character cheap, then that scrub should then be known as a n00b. ZSS is really good, actually. <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 00:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | ::(Insert BS from anti-tiers about how this reinforces tiers). I wish I could find the entire results, and watch the low tiers be last.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 23:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
| :::Scrubs come in all shapes and sizes. Don't be discriminatory against the scrubs who call low tier characters cheap lol! ZSS isn't as good as Toon Link. Or Pit. Or Wolf '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 01:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC) | |
| ::::lol <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 01:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC) | |
| :::::I'm sure that there are plenty of non-n00b scrubs out there who have whined about stuff like [[Sacred Combo|this]] at least once, which has nothing to do with tiers. But yes, I do agree with CP (I used to like ZSS, but I find Samus is actually better now). Toon Link should be higher.--[[User:Meta-K|Meta-K]] ([[User talk:Meta-K|talk]]) 01:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::Toon Link is floaty, light, and easily juggled, and of course you agree with 'CP'. :roll: <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 01:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Sonic and Link went up but, only by a couple of places. Still, at least they went up. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 02:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| Not many complaints from me, really. MK and Snake are broken beyond all imagination so yeah...it's nice to see Falco up higher IMO, and Marth and Diddy needed that boost. Wario really should've gone down, and idk why R.O.B. did. Olimar shot WAAAY up, which is suprising but not all that bad I guess. Kirby needs to be even higher but it's cool that he got bumped up, but I wonder what caused DK and IC to drop so much? ZSS shot up which is cool, and Pit got brought down like he deserves :D. Why Wolf got lowered is beyond me, and the same goes for Bowser. Fox got lowered AGAIN lol. WTH how did Lucas tie with Ness? I can't belive Sonic went up and PT went down, but Samus did deserve to go upwards some. Yay Link went up, but Gdorf went down D: [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font><font color="black">487</font><font color="yellow">z</font>]]/[[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="silver">Senior</font><font color="blue">Sombra!</font>]] 02:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | So, are you implying that MK should be banned because of WHOBO's results, or something else? [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]] • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 00:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | : I think his point in posting that was to show that top-tiers are in the top for a reason. Beforehand, people were just SAYING that but now we've got evidence. Plus, WHOBO was pretty freakin big and had really good players, making this example even more legit. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 01:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | :Every character can beat every character, remember that. For some it is easy and for others it is hard, but the point is that it is possible. Say a Mario player is fighting a Snake player. The Mario player will fight him differently than he would fight someone like Bowser or Yoshi because Snake has the supreme advantage over him. That means the Mario player will spam moves like fireball and b-air because all of his other moves < Snake's. Sakurai may have failed, but in every game, every character stands a chance. Tl;dr: Banning MK would be dumb, even for many reasons besides this one. <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 15:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | ::"Every character can beat every character, remember that." I am not saying that is not true, but it is really hard to believe when you consider the Sheik vs. Ganondorf matchup or the Ice Climbers vs. Ganondorf matchup. [[User:Y462|Y462]] <small>([[User talk:Y462|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Y462|C]] • [[Special:Editcount/Y462|E]] )</small> 23:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | :::The fact is that it's still believable. That little 5 that Ganondorf has against Sheik? That's the five that can let him win... through tremendous effort of course. <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 02:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | ::::Seriously. To beat a Shiek, you just gotta space, punish, and then edgeguard (Uair semi spike or THE THUNDER BOOT, anyone?). To beat IC's, do like Ike does against them: Keep them separated. I'm not saying it'll be easy, but never impossible. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 02:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| :Finally, Meta Knight and Snake are separated from the rest. But I don't think that Snake should get his own tier, he should be with MK. I'm glad that Falco and Olimar moved up, and Kirby got a bump. However, I'd still like to see the Mother boys get bumped up to at least E tier. -''[[User:Masq|<span style="color:green">Masq</span>]]'' <small>('''[[User talk:Masq|t]]'''/''[[Special:Contributions/Masq|c]]''/'''[[Special:Editcount/Masq|e]]''')</small> 02:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| I expected Dedede to fall and Olimar to rise, but I though Wolf would've gotten higher if anything.[[User:E123Brawler|'''<font color="Red">E123</font>''']][[User talk:E123Brawler|'''<font color="Black">Brawler</font>''']] [[Special:Contributions/E123Brawler|'''<font color="Red">Ω</font>''']] 02:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
| | Yea, thats when mastering your character comes in handy. -SmashBros Vet. |
| | :I never would have thought of that. You mean I shouldn't be going into tourneys without knowing what I'm doing. lol. Really, every pro has "mastered" their character so to speak. It's only when the characters are mastered that the tier list beings to take effect. [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 18:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | ::Was that really necessary? <span style="border:2px outset #ff66ff;background-color: #66ff99;-moz-border-radius:3px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#9900ff">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 18:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
| | :::The problem is that it shouldn't have to be necessary. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] <choose><option>eXemplary Logic</option><option>The Stats Guy</option><option>The Table Designer</option></choose> 19:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| What the hell does everyone have against Sonic? Ok, so he's not a Nintendo character. BIG DEAL. Sheesh... <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 03:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :I'm not bashing on him. And it's just opinions really. I think Sonic is FTW in Brawl, while others disagree. Just like I think Mewtwo in Melee is FTW and again others will disagree. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 03:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::They both suck. Yeah, some people can elevate characters like Mewtwo and Sonic to high levels of play, but normally they both suck. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font><font color="black">487</font><font color="yellow">z</font>]]/[[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="silver">Senior</font><font color="blue">Sombra!</font>]] 03:34, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :::lol that's your opinion, since they '''do not''' "suck", as you put it so harshly. Watch Taj's [[Shadowclaw]] videos on YouTube, then look at some Sonic combo vids later, so you can see that they have potential. I'm not taking any offense, I simply stating a fact. I agree with Unknown the Hedgehog as well. IMO, Pikachu sucks. That failure rat... <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 03:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::Shade proved my point about others disagreeing. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 03:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::No! They don't "normally" suck! I don't understand what everyone has against Sonic, but if you have a little grudge over a '''video game character''', then you have a serious problem. "You" wasn't directed to anyone. <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 03:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::::::I can't believe Link is that low. [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 03:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :::::::Trust me, if you play Scatz's Yoshi or Izaw's Link, you'll start a riot lol <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 03:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| Here are the differences in places between the old tier list and the new one...
| | Does anyone know why the SBR used letters to name their tiers instead of the traditional "Top, High, Middle, Low, Bottom"? - <font face="times new roman">[[User:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:purple">'''GalaxiaD'''</span>]]</font><font face="times new roman"> <sup>[[User Talk:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:black">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup></font> 04:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC) |
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| | :More tiers this time around. It's simpler than trying to make intermediate names like "High-High", "High-Mid", etc. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 18:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC) |
| #Snake 0
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| #Falco +2
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| #King Dedede -1
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| #Mr. Game & Watch -1
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| #Marth +1
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| #Diddy Kong +4
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| #Wario 0
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| #R.O.B. -3
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| #Lucario -1
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| #Olimar +7
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| #Pikachu 0
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| #Kirby +1
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| #Donkey Kong +4
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| #Ice Climbers -2
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| #Zero Suit Samus +5
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| #Toon Link 0
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| #Pit -3
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| #Peach +5
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| #Wolf -4
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| #Luigi +2
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| #Zelda -2
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| #Bowser -1
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| #Fox -5
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| #Sheik +1
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| #Ike -1
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| #Mario +2
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| #Lucas -1
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| #Ness -1
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| #Samus +1
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| #Sonic +2
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| #Pokémon Trainer -2
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| #Yoshi -1
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| #Link +2
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| #Jigglypuff -1
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| #Ganondorf -1
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| #Captain Falcon 0 [[User:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#FF0000">Unknown </font>]] [[User talk:Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="#780000">the </font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Unknown the Hedgehog|<font color="000000">Hedgehog</font>]] 04:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :Nice job =) <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 04:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| The fact is that just because some people have the ability to "not suck" with low tier characters does not mean that they are inherently not worse than the others. Here, the term suck is used relativistically. Take the 0-16 Detroit Lions. Most football followers would tell you that they "suck." And they do. They are (this year) the worst team in the NFL. Yet they could still kick the living daylights out of most college programs. So they are better than many other people, yet with respect to ''who they are compared to'' they are terrible. Same with these low tier characters. And I'm glad someone pointed out Taj and Shadowclaw before I did. I'd also like to point out that Taj plays Marth and/or Fox in all of his major games. Tiers exist, some characters suck, some people show cool stuff with them, and then the top tiers win. That's life. Or really, that's Smash Bros. Ultimately, it's just a game. Play Charizard, have a good laugh, make some money if you can, but this ain't gonna get you laid... [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 04:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :Well, you certainly put it in a nicer way than Shade did, no offense to him. I concur entirely. <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 04:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| I do think highly of meta Knight and Snake, and I do appreciate there presence as the top tiered characters. But, I don't really "care" about tier lists. Tier lists can be innaccurate because of the fact that they reflect tournament wins. You also need to consider the fact that the players are sometimes unknown and their skill is undeterminable. But, I do have some things for tier lists. no matter what the tier list says, I'll forever main Kirby. Anyways, I think...
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| *Kirby should be a higher, possibly within the top ten.
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| *R.O.B. should be dropped out of the top ten.
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| *Jigglypuff should be last!
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| *Ganondorf and Capt. Falcon should be a LOT higher.
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| <span style="color:blue"> '''[[User:SapphireKirby777|SapphireKirby777]] ([[User talk:SapphireKirby777|talk]]) 19:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)''' </span>
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| Four Words: Worst. Tier list. Ever.--[[User:Mudkipz|User:Mudkipz]] ([[User talk:Mudkipz|talk]]) 15:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :Any particular reason why MK and Snake have their own seperate tiers? Those SB people could've saved a lot of time and effort by placing them at the top of the A rank, providing seven tiers instead of nine. And why is there such a big difference in number of tiers this time around? The first version had four, but this one has nine? That makes zero sense. And why letters? What's wrong with Top, High, Middle, etc.? I swear, they continue to confuse me more and more as revisions are made to this list. That also expands to ''where'' the characters are placed, but I think I'll keep that to myself. - <font face="times new roman">[[User:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:purple">'''GalaxiaD'''</span>]]</font><font face="times new roman"> <sup>[[User Talk:GalaxiaD|<span style="color:black">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup></font> 22:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::Meta Knight is loleasy '''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="background:#000000;color:#99ffff">Blue Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="vertical-align:baseline;position:relative;bottom:0.36em;color:#0099ff">Talk</span>]]</sup> 22:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| OK, so since no one has asked so far, I guess I'll get this conversation going: why are there NINE different "tiers" this time around? The last list had a simple four (Top, High, Middle, and Low). Now, Meta Knight is practically listed as a god, Snake as a demigod, and C Falc, Ganon, Jiggles, and the Hero of Time as trash from the bottom of the dumpster in the G tier! Was it officially decided that we have to cause further tensions between those who faithfully follow tiers, those who don't believe in them, and those who simply want to improve their skill in the game, without being forced to choose a side? Can someone shed some light on this matter?--[[User:Meta-K|Meta-K]] ([[User talk:Meta-K|talk]]) 17:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :If I had to guess (nobody really said why on Smashboards), it has to do with more characters in the game (true, the last one was like Melee's, but maybe SBR didn't think it worked well for Brawl?) and trying to further categorize the differences in ability between tiers. For example, MK and Snake are the best characters in the game, but MK is a lot better than Snake. [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font><font color="black">487</font><font color="yellow">z</font>]]/[[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="silver">Senior</font><font color="blue">Sombra!</font>]] 17:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::I asked this on the talk page for the tier list. But if you're asking what I think you're asking, the amount of professionals that main low tier character is about the same as the amount of them who use high tier characters, mostly Snake (high) and C. Falcon (low). I'd also like to reference [[User:Cheezperson/tier talk|Cheezperson's view of tiers]] at this point; read the G Tier section. <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 20:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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| == Numbers? ==
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| Shouldn't we add the numbers for this tier list like melee's? After all Ness and Lucas, are considered even in this tier list but smashers who don't read the actual post might get confused. - [[User:Hatake91|Hatake91]] ([[User talk:Hatake91|talk]]) 01:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :I agree with this. Hopefully the tier list article doesn't turn out like the old weight article, where Melee's section was the one most payed attention to. <span style="border:2px outset red;background-color:black;-moz-border-radius:1px">'''[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:Blue;">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:blue">Ninjakoopa</span>]]'''</span> 01:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| == Behold! ==
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| Mr. Magical person who posted the tier list on SBR ([http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=8855 this guy]) finally gave reasoning for the new system. It makes a lot of sense when you think about it, considering how unbalanced this game is. His reasoning:
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| *Gaps between tiers were relatively large
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| *The spread within tiers was relatively small.
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| *The particular number of tiers isn't special--that's just how the votes ended up. The majority of us believed that using a smaller number of tiers would be misleading, given the results.
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| So there you have it! The old formatting didn't exactly fit Brawl's roster due to a decrease in overall character balance and an increase in the number of playable characters...and Jigglypuff (lol). [[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Contributions:Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 22:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| :The link is to the SBR I think.'''[[User:Smorekingxg456|<span style="color:#5F9EA0">Smoreking</span>]]<small><sup>[[User Talk:Smorekingxg456#Top|<span style="color:#00FF00">(T)</span>]]</sup></small><small><sub> [[Special:Contributions/Smorekingxg456|(c)]]</sub></small>''' 22:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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| ::No, the link leads to the SWF profile of the guy who posted the tier list. btw new sig! ...kinda...[[User:Shade487z|<font color="red">Shade</font>]][[User talk:Shade487z|<font color="black">487</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Shade487z|<font color="yellow">z</font>]] 22:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
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