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*'''Weak Oppose'''  Cheezperson is without a doubt quite helpful to the wiki.  However, there are three things that make me oppose his sysop bid.  First, I am wary of any person who has significantly more User Talk edits than main space edits.  This often signals that the user is more concerned with using the site as a social utility than as an encyclopedia.  Secondly, there is just the matter of the low edit count overall.  While I am not one who feels that edit quantity is more important than quality, there is something to be said for an overall low edit count.  If I am correct, I had the lowest edit count of any person ever to be promoted to sysop (on this wiki), and at the time I had more mainspace edits than Cheez's total edit count.  Again, not that edit count is of supreme importance, but there has been a certain precedent set.  Finally, the biggest reason that I don't support this user is that I haven't found many instances in his edits where he would need the sysop tools.  Rollback is something that I would fully support for this user, but my checking has shown that this would be the only sysop tool that he would truly need to make what he has been doing more effective.  Again, I do truly value Cheez as an editor, I just do not see the need or the full qualifications to make him a sysop.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Weak Oppose'''  Cheezperson is without a doubt quite helpful to the wiki.  However, there are three things that make me oppose his sysop bid.  First, I am wary of any person who has significantly more User Talk edits than main space edits.  This often signals that the user is more concerned with using the site as a social utility than as an encyclopedia.  Secondly, there is just the matter of the low edit count overall.  While I am not one who feels that edit quantity is more important than quality, there is something to be said for an overall low edit count.  If I am correct, I had the lowest edit count of any person ever to be promoted to sysop (on this wiki), and at the time I had more mainspace edits than Cheez's total edit count.  Again, not that edit count is of supreme importance, but there has been a certain precedent set.  Finally, the biggest reason that I don't support this user is that I haven't found many instances in his edits where he would need the sysop tools.  Rollback is something that I would fully support for this user, but my checking has shown that this would be the only sysop tool that he would truly need to make what he has been doing more effective.  Again, I do truly value Cheez as an editor, I just do not see the need or the full qualifications to make him a sysop.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:I had a feeling that you would oppose me, and I respect your opinions, but I'll prove you wrong about myself.  You are correct in saying that I do have more additions to user talk pages than I do mainspace edits, but it's not as lopsided as others.  I currently have 400 mainspace edits, and somewhere around 1,340 total edits (that's a mere 40 edits from becoming a featured user).  I do have over 470 talk page edits, but you have to admit, when you care my ratio of mainspace to talk page edits, to the great majority of other users, it really isn't that bad.  I will step up and edit more, and I will become a featured user due to my valuable mainspace additions.
:I believe that my good, positive nature and the fact that I am one of the most active users here outweigh the fact that I have "significantly more" talk page edits than mainspace edits.  The number is around 70, and I don't see 70 a significant comparison to 400 or 1,340.  My primary and secondary uses of this good website have nothing to do with talking with people I've never met in person.  They're what they're supposed to be: contributing my knowledge of the Super Smash Bros. Series and encyclopedic purposes for my own use.  I have met some fine people here, and we do get into chats every now and then, but you can't argue that my edit count is lopsided.
:You also seemed concerned on how I would use my powers.  I want to be someone that the regular users could turn to, someone who could help them when they were in need.  As I stated on my official request, I will NOT favor some users over others when it comes to serious stuff (vandalism, blocks, etc).  If a user does something wrong, I will take action.  I can't stand people who screw good things up for fun or for revenge.  I will use the powers as I need to.  No more, no less, and I DO want to have the tools, and I WILL use them properly.
:I am a proper choice for admin for all of the reasons I have explained.  I don't want this to become a rant/debate, so I will leave it up to you to decide what you want to do.  It's your choice, make the one you feel is right.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 07:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
::You really should have responded to this on the RfA page.  Moving general wiki discussions away from their location is just bad practice.  As for a few of your points, being a featured user means nothing.  Half of the skins don't even show who they are.  All being a featured user means is that your edit count is high.  In most of the recent cases, this has just come from people inflating their edit count by making very minor edits, often with the sole purpose of gaining an extra edit.  Also, when you remove your User Talk page edits (or just remove half of them), you don't come close to meeting the criteria for the (still irrelevant) featured user designation.  As for significance, 70 is 17.5% of 400 and 5.2% of 1340.  Both of those percentages are significant.  As for you wanting to spread you knowledge about Smash Bros, I'm still a little put off by the "perfect character" thing.  If you actually think that was encyclopedic content, then I really don't see how you could make a good sysop.  If you didn't think that, I'm then a little confused as to why it was put up in the first place.  I'm not a dictator here, I will listen to the rest of the wiki.  But also understand that I don't see you as being qualified to be a sysop and, for better or worse, my voice carries a lot of weight.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 17:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I thought that the new format meant that only supports/oppositions should go there.  My suggestion to avoid confusion is to put a 'comments" section under the "neutral" section of the request.  That way, this never happens again.  The perfect character thing's been abandoned, as I realized that opinion is the only real factor, and opinions of random, unqualified users here won't verify anything about the game itself.  You can talk all you want about my edit count, but you misunderstand something about talk page edits.  Yes, they're mainly used for convos, we've all had them.  But, they can also be used to give other users information, telling them about certain happenings on the wiki, and correcting their mistakes.  That's why the wikis have talk pages in the first place.  So don't consider all talk page edits useless, just most of them : )  Inexperience seems to be everyone's biggest turn off of me.  Even a fellow crewmate is neutral because of it.  Although I can tell you that I have leadership experience, it's the users' choice to take it to heart or not.  I've gotten lots of support, and I don't know how much support I need to fulfill the request, but if i do somehow fail, I will immediately run for rollback, so that people can learn to trust me with those (limited) powers.  Just understand that that is my last resort.  '''[[User:Cheezperson|<span style="color:gold">Cheez</span><span style="color:red">person</span>]]''' {[[User talk:Cheezperson|<span style="color:steelblue">talk</span>]]}[[Special:Contributions/Cheezperson|<span style="color:silver">stuff</span>]]''' 02:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I know this will come out way meaner than I intend it to be, but I feel this really must be said and there's no polite way to say it, so please forgive me. I get the impression that you're only running for 'epeen strength' and that you don't quite understand what will be expected of you as an administrator. Additionally, I am not sure how you would handle user conflicts, but judging from other aspects of your personality I've gathered I am not confident in your abilities. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 15:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I know this will come out way meaner than I intend it to be, but I feel this really must be said and there's no polite way to say it, so please forgive me. I get the impression that you're only running for 'epeen strength' and that you don't quite understand what will be expected of you as an administrator. Additionally, I am not sure how you would handle user conflicts, but judging from other aspects of your personality I've gathered I am not confident in your abilities. --<font face="vivaldi" size="3">[[User:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">Shadow</font>]][[User talk:Shadowcrest|<font color="Steelblue">crest</font>]]</font> 15:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


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