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Perfect Character

This is something I've been pushing for as main page material. Any support or criticism would be accepted. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 03:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's not go there. I think we've already established that poll and/or fanon changes to the main page are a bad idea. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:29, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

But this has more value than a regular poll, or that Smash Arena thing. The polls were a good addition, but they generally did little to contribute to community. This could be important, it's good information. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 03:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Whats goin on? Hey I noticed that the polls are gone. Why? You guys decided not to do um? Squallinoa 08 (talk) 03:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Mainly because Cafinator, the guy who ran them, got blocked. I'm offering a replacement, more or less. This would be more valuable to the community. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 03:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Not to be an ass here, but what would really contribute to the community is fixing up all the fighter pages to the new and better format, finding all of the disbanded crews and marking them, cleaning up the Smasher namespace, etc. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I was talking about the smash community. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 03:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

So was I. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 03:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, well, how would this not help both this wiki community and the smash community as a whole? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Mostly because it wouldn't have any actual impact on gameplay. Wishing that there was some character that could do something is not helpful to people. Seeing well documented writing on which characters can do what and how to do it is quite helpful. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you read the entire forum thread? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. And I just read it again, and it made me even less supportive of this. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you're just saying that. The polls were on here for a while, and they worked just fine. In fact, this community (in general) liked them a lot. This would be like them, but more useful. If the polls were OK, then how come this isn't? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

SmashWiki is really useless to the Smash community (I could stop there, but I won't) if it focuses on things like polls rather than on building an encyclopedia. The Smash community already has multiple sites where people can do stuff like that, and it serves no purpose if this becomes another one of them. The Smash community does not, however, have an encyclopedia, which is why this thing was started in the first place. In so far as the SmashWiki community is concerned, I guess it doesn't matter if we're useful to the greater Smash community or not, but what the hell's the point of having SmashWiki only be of use to SmashWiki members? --Kirby King 20:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see the Smash Arena on the main page, it looks neat. - BattleFranky202 (talk) 12:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't the fact that the polls were removed obviously mean that they were not ok? --Shadowcrest 19:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

The only reason they're gone is that Cafinator was banned. I believe his ban ends today. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 23:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

That is not the only reason they were removed. They were usually irrelevant, possibly trollish, and generated limited response. In all, the cons far outweighed the pros for this one. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 16:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean there will be more polls? Pikabro^TALK 05:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Sort of. They'll be more meaningful polls with more useful data. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool. and by the way. I'll support anything that I can look forward to reading... Pikabro^TALK 05:37, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope you skeptics know that that's support. The people want this. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope you know that by "the people" you can only be referring to the four people who have expressed support on this page, and not any of the several people who have previously expressed (or presently express) opposition. (And bear in mind, this is after however many people were solicited on their talk pages to come here and support it. Also, in so far as you're prone to turn this into a "sysops vs. users" thing, we're people too. We never said you can't put that on the Main Page because the admins don't like it, we said you can't put it on the Main Page because you've never managed to get consensus to do it. As I've pointed out, you still haven't.) --Kirby King 20:54, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I still have yet to see what this "meaningful information" that the "Perfect Character" or the "Smash Arena" things are supposed to provide is. Read my previous comments about the Perfect character thing. If you want a more detailed opposition, I'll write one this weekend. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 16:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've told him to stop advertising (even I've got to admit, the degree of it was a bit uncalled for). I'm just saying that stuff like this needs advertising, and that's why we wanted something on the main page, they wouldn't work if only a few people knew about it. I realized yesterday that Smash Arena does, in fact, have a link to it on the main page, which is good enough for me. I apologize to Kirby King, and to anyone else who was offended when I implied that opposers (Bushism) weren't people. The only other thing I can say to that (and I know you've heard it a billion times before) is that, as subtle as it may be, the administration here is slightly elitist, and sometimes overbearing. Back to the main subject, the Smash Arena is now self-sustaining, so there should be no more advertisements. Perfect Character will start next week, hopefully under the same forum thread as Smash Arena (they don't deserve separate topics, in my opinion). Finally, on a more personal note, I feel that I am an excellent contributor to this already great wiki, and I will never do anything that will hurt the value of the website in any way, Scout's honor. If anyone has any comments, please don't say it here, say it on my page. That is all. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 22:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Editing articles to match modern information

I'm new, so don't pay this much heed if you want. However, I'd like to propose a simple project to go about and edit all pages with information pertaining to SSBB to eliminate some parts of the pages that still refer to information as speculation, now that the game is out and much of these statements could be either confirmed or removed. Just a thought on how to improve stuff. Zeruel21 (talk) 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to SmashWiki! You should head over to the Watercooler, where we discuss SmashWiki as a whole and where we can discuss your point (which is very good). The Main Page talk is about edits specifically to the Main Page. Thanks for your help and I hope you enjoy contributing to SmashWiki! MaskedMarth (talk) 23:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Featured media

Kperfekt had the rite idea for putting the video up on the main page, but it came out sloppy, which is prolly why it was reverted. There are two reasons that this media should be put up:

• The Main page's left side is almost half the size of the right, making it look weird. :P
• The media section can be used to show intros of the SSB games as well as gameplay of professional smashers.

I know how to edit main pages a little, so if I can put it up correctly, will it be allowed? Wikia does have the distinct connection with YouTube videos whereas one can alter it's size and position. This will benefit the wiki, IMO. Just give it some thought. Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 21:22, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I know you mean well, so understand this isn't a flame. I think, however, that featuring videos and the like is not necessary, distracting and controversial. Kperfekt got rebanned partially because he was constantly readding it and getting under the admins' skin. I think it's unlikely to happen, but it's probably for the best. Miles (talk - contribs) 21:27, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I see. But what about the symmetry? Can someone move some of the stuff from one side to the other to make it even? Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 21:31, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Your monitor must be wider than mine; on my screen they're just about even. Some problems like this are inevitable. Miles (talk - contribs) 21:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you have the advetisements turned on in your preferences? 'Cuz I just looked and saw that the main page would be moar even if the ad was removed. Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 21:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

No, they're off. You might want to try yours that way too... Miles (talk - contribs) 21:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Done and done. :) Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 21:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The main page isn't supposed to be perfectly symmetrical. Considering the left side contains prose writing while the right side contains bulleted lists, it actually makes sense for it not to be symmetrical. As for the media, it would serve no purpose whatsoever. All it would do is slow load times and take up space. I like the fact that all the content on the main page can be seen without scrolling down. This is something that all good wiki mainpages do. When we start adding random content to the main page, the whole thing gets messy and turns people off to our content. Also, there are some internet connections (even some high-speed ones) that periodically have trouble with videos. I've seen cases of videos from youtube causing the internet connection to go down and have to be reset. The risk and detriments to doing this far outweighs the reward here. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 18:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

wasn't there a forum page that proved that different internet browsers view this page differently? Mine seems OK, but I can't speak for everyone else. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 23:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Geez.

Theres a reason this site is so slwo on loadnig. Although you guys are great with the information, you edit the User talk and User talk too much. Seriouslym the pages I saw were HUGE!Get bakc to editing the mainspace and less in User98.217.172.115

And who are you to tell us anything IP? You don't even have an account here! Masterman What's the matter? Scared? 01:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Im a contributor on various major wiki's and the reason the pages take a while to load is that you guys edit User:space WAYYYYYYYYY to much. I was planning on making an account, due to the massive cleanup i see. Template:Tt98.217.172.115

First of all, Sr. IP is valuable too. Don't disqualify his opinion because he's not registered.

Secondly, he's accurate. BNK's talk page (for example, there are many pages like this) has accumlated ~72kb in 6 days. That's freaking ridiculous. Something needs to be done to curb the extremely excessive talk pages here. --Shadowcrest 02:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I s'pose you're right...SmoreKing Happy Holidays! 02:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thats six days worth? Thats ridiculous!98.217.172.115

I think a lot of it has to do with the PicQuote thingies. People are changing them every 5-10 minutes.SmoreKing Happy Holidays! 02:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

True ShadowCrest. BUT! It's like the IP is commanding us to stop talking on talk pages. Masterman What's the matter? Scared? 02:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, i was asking you to curb your edits. there are forums, chat rooms, and AIM for a reason. If your going to have a useless talk, do it theirDCP (talk)

I see you created an account. :) anyways.

• Forums:There's only one topic per forum.
• chat rooms:??????????? We don't have chat rooms.
• AIP:Some people don't have AIP. (like me)

Masterman What's the matter? Scared? 02:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

1. Then make a better set of forums, or find someone to set one up. Bulbagarden has a great forums section. Ask what they ue
2. True, true, but outside chat roooms work
3. Sorry, i meant AIM. and if you dont have that, theres email, msn. meebo, all sorts of thingsDCP (talk)

Hmmm.... I'm stuck! Wow. Masterman Happy Holidays!! Presents! 02:24, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Somebody here (DefiantElements, if I recall correctly) mentioned we can't force users to edit in the main namespace; it's just as much the user's right to not edit as to edit. I do make it a matter of taste to avoid excessive user talk edits, and I'd encourage other users to keep their fingers in the main and project namespaces (we have a peculiar lack of back-end helpers; stuff like the SmashWiki:Character Project need work). – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 03:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well techinically you can, under threat of ban or (i dont know if you guys know how to do this yet) taqking away ability to edit the talkspace. There are a lot of pages on smashers though....User:DCP User talk:DCP

I technically could, but that wouldn't be nice :) – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 04:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Wait, so you can take away a user's privilege to talk on a talk page without blocking them? I didn't know that! Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:46, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't do that, but I could threaten them with a block or inscribe it into policy. But that would be an abuse of power, and I'm not at all interested in doing so, anyways. – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 04:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I get it. Back to the issue, my opinion on talk page conversations is that they're a lost cause. Like you said, unless the administration gets especially bold and changes policy (in a move that I guarantee will enrage the majority of users here), talk page convos are sure to continue. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

There's IRC, but I'm not sure if that's allowed. MarioGalaxy ^{A Galaxy begins anew...} 04:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

You actually can take away editing from individual sections. Ill borrow the coding if I can.User:DCP User talk:DCP 05:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's protection. We already have that, and we use it. If a page is getting too out of hand, protection should be used. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem

Is there a way anyone could separate the Smasher articles from the regular ones? There's usually a 75% chance of me being directed to a smasher page whenever I click the "Random article" button. Koopa Klaus 03:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the issue here is that at some point in the near past that they somehow became normal article when they shouldn't be considered to be so. Let me check. --Sky (t · c · w) 03:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes. That was the case. At Sky's request I've removed the smasher namespace from the list of content namespaces. -- JSharp (talk) <staff /> 05:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all for helping. Now! Let the random editing begin! Koopa Klaus 05:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Crew Namespace

This problem is similar to the Smasher one previously encountered. Can some make a name space for crews, i.e. "Crew:The Koopa Bros." or something like that? I'm still doing some random editing and I'm finding alot of crew articles. Just a suggestion. Koopa Claus ^{Happy Holidays} 05:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow, the wiki was discussing this exact topic the day I joined! Does anybody have an exact number of crew articles? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea, but I think they're under a certain category. Koopa Claus ^{Happy Holidays} 05:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

If they're already under a category, why do we need this? And on a more personal note, I hope you've seen what GXD and KP think about your ideas. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

They didn't log on... did they? Koopa Claus ^{Happy Holidays} 05:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

They REJECTED them : ) Anywho, do you know what category the crew articles are in now? Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Obvious, they're under CREWS! Some are also grouped by country. So, you want an entire namespace? Is there a rule for what qualifies as a namespace?  !!!!

We've already had this discussion in the forums. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 05:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)