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:First of all, the anime '''should not''' influence who is in a SSB game. Yes it is rather unfortunate that Jigglypuff's role in the anime probably influenced it getting a spot in the first SSB game, but it should not. ''Smash Brothers'' is about video games, not anime. As such, any media outside of video games '''should not''' be considered when including a character for a SSB game. That poll you linked to is highly flawed and I do not trust it. First of all, it doesn't have every pokemon on it. How can you say Pikachu is the most popular pokemon when you didn't even give someone the chance to choose any pokemon they want. Secondly, only a little more than a 1000 people voted on that poll. As such, its results can not be considered the feelings of everyone when it represents a very small minority. Third, the poll mispells one of the pokemon's name, Infernape does not begin with an E, ruining this poll's legitamancy even farther. Also, did you not read what I said about significance > popularity? If a character like Jigglypuff has '''absolutely no''' significance in the games, it does not deserve to be in the Smash Bros. games, no matter how popular it is. It does not matter if a flawed poll of 1000 people said Jigglypuff is second most popular pokemon, Mewtwo is very significant to the games, Jigglypuff is not. I know no one who favorite pokemon is Jigglypuff or anyone that even likes it. Its evolution Wigglytuff is also very unpopular in competitive Pokemon. Mewtwo on the other hand, is not. So in both popularity and more importantly, significance, Mewtwo is much more deserving than Jigglypuff ever was. Just because you saw Mewtwo as "some obscure guy" doesn't mean everyone else does. Also, ''Melee'' came out after the anime was popular and I find it exteremly unlikely that the movie had any thing to do with influencing Mewtwo being in ''Melee''. It is an insult to those who played the Pokemon games that people only know Mewtwo from the movie. '''Everyone''' knew Mewtwo as the god pokemon in generation 1, not as "some obscured guy" from a crappy movie. So don't say that Mewtwo only was in ''Melee'' because of the movie, that is just showing how ignorant you are of its role in the games. Now fully read my last post and don't try to act like a flawed poll disproves my point about Jigglypuff being undeserving to be in the SSB games. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 22:09, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
:First of all, the anime '''should not''' influence who is in a SSB game. Yes it is rather unfortunate that Jigglypuff's role in the anime probably influenced it getting a spot in the first SSB game, but it should not. ''Smash Brothers'' is about video games, not anime. As such, any media outside of video games '''should not''' be considered when including a character for a SSB game. That poll you linked to is highly flawed and I do not trust it. First of all, it doesn't have every pokemon on it. How can you say Pikachu is the most popular pokemon when you didn't even give someone the chance to choose any pokemon they want. Secondly, only a little more than a 1000 people voted on that poll. As such, its results can not be considered the feelings of everyone when it represents a very small minority. Third, the poll mispells one of the pokemon's name, Infernape does not begin with an E, ruining this poll's legitamancy even farther. Also, did you not read what I said about significance > popularity? If a character like Jigglypuff has '''absolutely no''' significance in the games, it does not deserve to be in the Smash Bros. games, no matter how popular it is. It does not matter if a flawed poll of 1000 people said Jigglypuff is second most popular pokemon, Mewtwo is very significant to the games, Jigglypuff is not. I know no one who favorite pokemon is Jigglypuff or anyone that even likes it. Its evolution Wigglytuff is also very unpopular in competitive Pokemon. Mewtwo on the other hand, is not. So in both popularity and more importantly, significance, Mewtwo is much more deserving than Jigglypuff ever was. Just because you saw Mewtwo as "some obscure guy" doesn't mean everyone else does. Also, ''Melee'' came out after the anime was popular and I find it exteremly unlikely that the movie had any thing to do with influencing Mewtwo being in ''Melee''. It is an insult to those who played the Pokemon games that people only know Mewtwo from the movie. '''Everyone''' knew Mewtwo as the god pokemon in generation 1, not as "some obscured guy" from a crappy movie. So don't say that Mewtwo only was in ''Melee'' because of the movie, that is just showing how ignorant you are of its role in the games. Now fully read my last post and don't try to act like a flawed poll disproves my point about Jigglypuff being undeserving to be in the SSB games. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 22:09, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
::You can say what you want about what "should" constitute what characters are in the game, but none of it matters if those characters aren't popular.  The developers are going to put the popular characters in because that's where the money is.  Look at Final Fantasy VII.  In terms of importance, Vincent was pretty much not.  But he was cool, and he was popular, so he got a game.  Cait Sith was important, but everyone hated him, so he got shafted with a shitty voice actor in Vincent's game.  This is called business.  You can think that importance ought to come ahead of popularity, but the fact is it doesn't.  And, quite frankly, it shouldn't.  Developers should be trying to give consumers what they want, and if Jigglypuff is what they want, go for it.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:18, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
::You can say what you want about what "should" constitute what characters are in the game, but none of it matters if those characters aren't popular.  The developers are going to put the popular characters in because that's where the money is.  Look at Final Fantasy VII.  In terms of importance, Vincent was pretty much not.  But he was cool, and he was popular, so he got a game.  Cait Sith was important, but everyone hated him, so he got shafted with a shitty voice actor in Vincent's game.  This is called business.  You can think that importance ought to come ahead of popularity, but the fact is it doesn't.  And, quite frankly, it shouldn't.  Developers should be trying to give consumers what they want, and if Jigglypuff is what they want, go for it.  [[User:Clarinet Hawk|Clarinet Hawk]] <small>([[User talk:Clarinet Hawk|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Clarinet Hawk|contributions]])</small> 22:18, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
:::That can be your opinion on what matters more between significance and importance, but is Jigglypuff as popular as Vincent? Besides not being important in the games at all, I have not seen any proof that Jigglypuff is a popular enough pokemon to be in SSB. To my knowledge, Jigglypuff is also unpopular as a smasher in ''Brawl'', both among casual and competitive smashers. So I highly doubt that Jigglypuff is among the top 10 pokemon among the people's want list and I don't see how including Jigglypuff is going to bring Nintendo more money. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png|25px ]] 22:44, June 27, 2010 (UTC)