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| 2ndmainssbm  = Young Link
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| otherssbm    = Fox
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| realname      = Jeremiah Joslin
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'''MagicScrumpy''', or simply '''scrumpy''' (all in lowercase) is a Smasher from [[Michigan]] who specializes in creating [[mod]]s and [[TAS]]es for ''[[Melee]]'' on [[YouTube]]. He also speedruns games such as ''Super Mario Sunshine''. As of May of 2017, his main YouTube channel, which focuses on ''Melee'', has over 100,000 subscribers, his second channel titled "redfuzzydice" has over 20,000 subscribers, his [[Twitch]] channel has nearly 9,000 followers (and non-public amount of subscribers), and his [[Twitter]] account has over 12,000 followers.
'''MagicScrumpy''', or simply '''scrumpy''', was a smasher from [[Michigan]] that was very popular for his content creation, where he specialized in creating [[mod]]s and [[TAS]]es for ''[[Melee]]'' on [[YouTube]]. By 2017, his main YouTube channel, which focuses on ''Melee'', exceeded over 100,000 subscribers; his second channel titled "redfuzzydice" had over 40,000 subscribers; his [[Twitch]] channel had nearly 9,000 followers (and non-public amount of subscribers); and his [[Twitter]] account had over 12,000 followers.


==Series==
==Series==
[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklRVZUo2PN1h6_cgKx_jfRo What If?] - A series focusing on changing an aspect of a character and making TAS montage that shows off what it would look like if the character had a certain trait, typically taken from another character. This series is the most common type of video on the channel.
MagicScrumpy produced a number of different video series centered around ''Melee'', though most of the videos are no longer available online:


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkmN2isbXa_e78VzH4SnrDRC WarioWare: Smash Bros Edition] - Short and discontinued parodies of the WarioWare games if they were Melee themed.
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklRVZUo2PN1h6_cgKx_jfRo What If?]: A series focused on changing an aspect of a character and then featuring a [[TAS]] [[montage]] that shows off what it would look like if the character had that changed trait, typically taken from another character. These videos could range from tame concepts like "''What If {{SSBM|Fox}} Had {{SSBM|Falco}}'s {{b|Shine|Falco}}?''", to concepts that were entirely absurd like "''What If Fox's Lasers Were [[Falcon Punch]]es?''". This series was the bread and butter of scrumpy's channel, making up the majority of his content.
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkkU6JNfTL0J568Z8fpmT2Eo Rebalancing Melee]: Also known as the "Viable" series, scrumpy rebalanced characters to make them better or worse, and occasionally overpowered. This series would prove controversial however, as aside from frequent criticism scrumpy received for his balancing decisions in these videos, it would become subjected to a [[Smasher:MagicScrumpy#SD Remix Plagiarism|plagiarism scandal]].
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklrI04LqZJtCv7-Zmj8UgLF Turbo Mode]: These videos were montages where scrumpy mods [[Turbo Mode]] into ''Melee'' and produced flashy tool-assisted combos utilizing it.
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkmN2isbXa_e78VzH4SnrDRC WarioWare: Smash Bros Edition]: A short-lived series that featured parodies of the ''WarioWare'' games if they were ''Melee''-themed.
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkk2gX6rlJulTFbDIkm8IZ6U Shitty E-Sports Commentary]: A short-lived series where scrumpy voiced famous ''Smash'' moments in the most monotone voice possible.
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklEkhbKKTyiR_sMvmDkjxfe Miscellaneous Melee Videos]: This playlist that contained ''Melee'' videos with no main theme.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkkU6JNfTL0J568Z8fpmT2Eo Rebalancing Melee]: Also known as the Viable series, scrumpy makes mods of characters to make them better or worse, and occasionally overpowered. However, the later videos have been criticised for copying changes from SD Remix for the sake of views.
==Controversy==
===600 Hours & TAS===
Uploaded on June of 2015 was one of MagicScrumpy's most notable videos, a supposedly non-[[TAS]] {{SSBM|Young Link}} [[combo video]] titled ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZbvh4hfx6o 600 Hours]'', titled such because scrumpy claimed to have gotten the footage for the video over the course of playing 600 hours of [[Netplay]]. The video got a lot of attention on his channel and in community spaces<ref>https://xx.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/39y2ie/600_hours_a_combo_video_by_magicscrumpy/</ref>, for being a very impressive combo video full of elaborate [[advanced technique]] usage that featured a character seldom-seen in competitive play. The community largely believed the video was legitimate at the time despite scrumpy never demonstrating any exceptional skill at the game before or after the video, with scrumpy himself claiming that "3 minutes of highlights over 600 hrs of gameplay can make anyone look good",<ref>https://xx.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/39ygbf/600_hours_a_young_link_combo_video_by_magicscrumpy/cs7ofgi/?context=1</ref> but it came under greater scrutiny in late 2016 when multiple community members started accusing the video of being tool-assisted, albeit with mostly circumstantial evidence.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5cxyga/ddt_magicscrumpys_ylink_combo_video_titled_600/</ref> However, prominent community statistician {{Sm|PracticalTAS}} took note of a [[reddit]] comment bringing up a much more decisive point as to the nature of ''600 Hours''<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5d5lqo/i_think_i_have_nearly_conclusive_proof_that_600/da3zfik/</ref>, with the comment pointing out how scrumpy recorded his footage using the [[20XX Melee Training Hack Pack]], which features a "rainbow" modification of {{SSBM|Final Destination}} that periodically cycles through stage colors. The Final Destination colors that appeared in ''600 Hours'' were greatly inconsistent with the [[time]]r values they appeared at (assuming the standard Netplay match setting of 8 minutes), prompting PracticalTAS to investigate the video further.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklEkhbKKTyiR_sMvmDkjxfe Miscellaneous Melee Videos]: Melee videos with no main theme.
On November 25th, 2016, PracticalTAS posted his full study of ''600 Hours'' on r/SSBM.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5ekzfe/my_last_words_on_magicscrumpys_young_link_the/?st=j2xx97ps&sh=12084834</ref> Alongside the inconsistencies in the Final Destination colors, PracticalTAS observed an unnatural, greatly lopsided distribution in the tens digit of the starting timer values on each clip, with 12 out of 19 combos starting at timer values of ...:5X, and 4 out of the remaining combos starting at ...:3X to ...:4X. Using a [[wikipedia:chi-squared test|chi-squared statistical test]] and comparing ''600 Hours'' to other well-known combo videos, he concluded that this deviation was statistically significant by "several orders of magnitude," which could not be explained by random chance. PracticalTAS concluded that ''600 Hours'' was TAS, arguing that MagicScrumpy had changed the starting timer and [[stock]] count to lower values to hide that his combos were not done in the middle of real games, but rather immediately as each game started, using tool assistance to execute each one.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCklrI04LqZJtCv7-Zmj8UgLF Turbo Mode]: Montages where character's moves can be cancelled into each other.
MagicScrumpy did not publicly address this issue for months; however, members of his public [[Discord]] posted screenshots of him reacting inappropriately to the situation while it unfolded.<ref>https://imgur.com/a/y4Ax2</ref> Notably, he admitted to putting unskippable advertisements on ''600 Hours'' to gain revenue from those looking to scrutinize the video, and harshly attacked the community, while dismissing the accusations as "drama" that he would disprove once the initial outrage had settled. Around this time, community members remembered that he had submitted ''600 Hours'' to a combo video competition hosted by [[MIOM]] with a cash prize of $100 USD for 1st place, although he did not win.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/3c2dba/congratulations_to_the_miom_2015_combo_video/</ref> This further fueled the outrage, with many denouncing him for submitting a tool-assisted video, viewing said action as dishonest and fraudulent, which would irreparably damage his reputation in the ''Melee'' community.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCknhiGxknboZdPTLPo2n22fK Glitch in Depth]: Also known as Glitch Explained, Scrumpy goes over why a glitch in a video game happens in depth, as the title would suggest.
Months later, on March 2nd, 2017, MagicScrumpy posted a Pastebin link on his [[Twitter]] account responding to the situation, which he has since deleted. He admitted that parts of ''600 Hours'' were tool-assisted or staged, but maintained that some clips were real; however, he did not indicate which of the combos fell into which category. He claimed that the song he wanted to use for the video was too long, and that he did not have enough real clips to fill out its length, leading him to fake some of the combos to fill the empty space. scrumpy also claimed that he was unaware that the combo video competition had a cash prize. The community largely deemed his apology somewhat insincere before it was removed.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkmrQP2ZMbfJBVHKzCx9V3T6 Breaking Super Mario Sunshine]: A series moved to his second channel where he goes through the interesting things about Super Mario Sunshine.
===SD Remix Plagiarism===
On November 29th, 2016, {{Sm|Ripple}} posted a reddit thread on r/SSBM showing that MagicScrumpy had copied exact data values from ''[[Melee: SD Remix]]'' for his ''Rebalancing Melee'' series and claimed them as his own.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5fkeg7/magic_scrumpy_has_been_copying_values_from_sd/?st=j2xx94qj&sh=31f24153</ref> Ripple claimed that he had plagiarized from ''SD Remix''{{'}}s {{SSBM|Zelda}}, {{SSBM|Link}}, {{SSBM|Donkey Kong}}, {{SSBM|Ness}}, {{SSBM|Mr. Game & Watch}}, and {{SSBM|Bowser}}; of particular note was his plagiarism of a mistake that the ''SD Remix'' team had made involving an attempt to make Link's {{mvsub|Link|SSBM|up smash}} connect properly. This would only further damage his reputation in the competitive ''Melee'' community, particularly because he had previously criticized ''SD Remix'' at the outset of his series for making characters too powerful.


[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHq_9wgaCkk2gX6rlJulTFbDIkm8IZ6U Shitty E-Sports Commentary]: A discontinued series where scrumpy voices famous Smash moments in the most monotone voice possible.
Following the accusations, MagicScrumpy removed the download links for each of the plagiarized "Rebalanced" characters, but did not make a formal statement addressing the controversy. However, in 2017, when asked about what happened to his Balanced Melee mods in a Reddit thread, MagicScrumpy responded. He stated that he felt burnt out with the ''Melee'' community and called it obnoxious, referring to the comment sections of his videos being mostly "joke suggestions" and how it made him feel like a "content monkey." He also referred to the community as unappreciative of his work. He made no reference to the plagiarism allegations.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/s/S5KQNbJba9 Reddit Comment]</ref>


==Controversy==
The majority of MagicScrumpy's videos were hidden from the channel in early April 2022 after the issue was brought to light again that year, and the channel remains abandoned, while MagicScrumpy himself has not been involved in the ''Smash'' community in any known capacity since.
===600 Hours and TAS===
On November 13th, 2016, [[Reddit]] user _quote made a [https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5cp2ei/daily_discussion_thread_111316/d9yhpax/?st=j2xxbyzn&sh=09ab6d3e comment] on the r/SSBM Daily Discussion Thread about his suspicion over 600 Hours' validity. They stated that the timer values were all similar and the opponents did similar things that were done by CPUs in his TAS videos. They also said that everything scrumpy went for was unsafe and he NEVER misses a move the entire combo video. Scrumpy says that he is nowhere near good at the game in the description, but what is demonstrated in the video would disagree with that, as not even human reaction is as good as that. There are also nearly no stale moves in the video, which would imply not a full match was played. However, none of this was solid evidence and was instead just reasons to be suspicious. Then, on November 15, 2016, another [https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5d5lqo/i_think_i_have_nearly_conclusive_proof_that_600/?st=j2xx9k7a&sh=8a2037f9 post] came out on r/SSBM by Pwnemon proving that there are little to none stale moves in the entire video and compared the to stale combos, with some checkups by Practical_TAS in the comments. Finally, on November 25, 2016, Practical_TAS made a [https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5ekzfe/my_last_words_on_magicscrumpys_young_link_the/?st=j2xx97ps&sh=12084834 post] on r/SSBM with proof that the values in the combo video are all incredibly rare if not faked, which he implies they are. Since the business was over, mods of r/SSBM decided to ban 600 Hours threads. For a while, it seemed that scrumpy would not reply, until [https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5ekzfe/my_last_words_on_magicscrumpys_young_link_the/dadiwiz/?st=j2xy14u2&sh=87bbcd49 screenshots] from his public Discord server were posted of him acting inappropriately. He said that he was being attacked and instead of directly responding, he'll add non-skipable ads on the video to maximize profit off of the drama. He also said that he felt like "selling out" (his words, not mine) to Smash 4, and blamed the entire thing on drama instead of his actions. It was also revealed that he submitted the combo video for a $100 (USD) cash prize. He did not win, but it was wrong of him to steal the money. Months later, on March 2, 2017, scrumpy [https://twitter.com/magicscrumpy/status/837213295669051392 tweeted] a Pastebin link about his response. He said that only some of the clips were TASed, some were staged, and some were real. The reason for faking some clips was because the song he wanted to use was too long and he didn't want to throw away his clips. He also said that he was unaware of a cash price for the tournament. This response was highly critised however. Many said that they didn't believe that only some clips were TAS, and this was because he never said what was TAS and what was staged and what was real. This was probably because it would've been proven wrong. There was also no reason to go through the trouble of staging a combo with a friend if he could just set timer values and TAS a combo. People also didn't believe he didn't know there was a cash prize, because that would've been in the description and comments for the tournament. A Steam private message also surfaced in the replies of the tweet of him saying it wasn't TAS, even after the accusations. In the end, this situation has been a huge blow on scrumpy's reputation and some view him as a liar because of this.


===SD Remix Plagiarism===
==Trivia==
On November 29th, 2016, Reddit user Ripple884 posted a [https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5fkeg7/magic_scrumpy_has_been_copying_values_from_sd/?st=j2xx94qj&sh=31f24153 thread] onto r/SSBM exposing scrumpy for copying the exact values from the mod SD Remix for his Rebalancing Melee series and claiming them as his own. The characters with unoriginal changes were Zelda, Link, Donkey Kong, Ness, Game & Watch, Bowser, and DK. This means the only characters with original changes were Kirby, Roy, and Ganondorf (an already borderline viable character).
*MagicScrumpy was  known for speedrunning other games such as ''Super Mario Sunshine'', which his channel featured some videos of. He also became a subject of controversy in the speedrunning community however, when a ''[[Super Mario Bros.]]'' speedrun he uploaded to his channel and submitted to the [https://www.speedrun.com/smb1/run/9mrkwq8y speedrun.com leaderboard] was later found to be TASed.<ref>https://np.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/5cxyga/ddt_magicscrumpys_ylink_combo_video_titled_600/da1b86u/?context=2</ref>


==External links==
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*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ-GmmYFkLbxvpyDR7fU__Q YouTube channel]
*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ-GmmYFkLbxvpyDR7fU__Q YouTube channel]
*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLignB5Xr1L18PluS0_-Lcw Second YouTube channel]
*[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLignB5Xr1L18PluS0_-Lcw Second YouTube channel]
*[https://www.twitch.tv/magicscrumpy Twitch channel]
*[https://www.twitch.tv/magicscrumpy Twitch channel] {{Dead link}}
 
==References==
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Latest revision as of 21:23, February 13, 2024

MagicScrumpy "scrumpy"
Character info
Melee mains Peach, Young Link
Personal and other info
Real name Jeremiah Joslin
Birth date (age 27)
Location Ann Arbor, Michigan United States

MagicScrumpy, or simply scrumpy, was a smasher from Michigan that was very popular for his content creation, where he specialized in creating mods and TASes for Melee on YouTube. By 2017, his main YouTube channel, which focuses on Melee, exceeded over 100,000 subscribers; his second channel titled "redfuzzydice" had over 40,000 subscribers; his Twitch channel had nearly 9,000 followers (and non-public amount of subscribers); and his Twitter account had over 12,000 followers.

Series[edit]

MagicScrumpy produced a number of different video series centered around Melee, though most of the videos are no longer available online:

  • What If?: A series focused on changing an aspect of a character and then featuring a TAS montage that shows off what it would look like if the character had that changed trait, typically taken from another character. These videos could range from tame concepts like "What If Fox Had Falco's Shine?", to concepts that were entirely absurd like "What If Fox's Lasers Were Falcon Punches?". This series was the bread and butter of scrumpy's channel, making up the majority of his content.
  • Rebalancing Melee: Also known as the "Viable" series, scrumpy rebalanced characters to make them better or worse, and occasionally overpowered. This series would prove controversial however, as aside from frequent criticism scrumpy received for his balancing decisions in these videos, it would become subjected to a plagiarism scandal.
  • Turbo Mode: These videos were montages where scrumpy mods Turbo Mode into Melee and produced flashy tool-assisted combos utilizing it.
  • WarioWare: Smash Bros Edition: A short-lived series that featured parodies of the WarioWare games if they were Melee-themed.
  • Shitty E-Sports Commentary: A short-lived series where scrumpy voiced famous Smash moments in the most monotone voice possible.
  • Miscellaneous Melee Videos: This playlist that contained Melee videos with no main theme.

Controversy[edit]

600 Hours & TAS[edit]

Uploaded on June of 2015 was one of MagicScrumpy's most notable videos, a supposedly non-TAS Young Link combo video titled 600 Hours, titled such because scrumpy claimed to have gotten the footage for the video over the course of playing 600 hours of Netplay. The video got a lot of attention on his channel and in community spaces[1], for being a very impressive combo video full of elaborate advanced technique usage that featured a character seldom-seen in competitive play. The community largely believed the video was legitimate at the time despite scrumpy never demonstrating any exceptional skill at the game before or after the video, with scrumpy himself claiming that "3 minutes of highlights over 600 hrs of gameplay can make anyone look good",[2] but it came under greater scrutiny in late 2016 when multiple community members started accusing the video of being tool-assisted, albeit with mostly circumstantial evidence.[3] However, prominent community statistician PracticalTAS took note of a reddit comment bringing up a much more decisive point as to the nature of 600 Hours[4], with the comment pointing out how scrumpy recorded his footage using the 20XX Melee Training Hack Pack, which features a "rainbow" modification of Final Destination that periodically cycles through stage colors. The Final Destination colors that appeared in 600 Hours were greatly inconsistent with the timer values they appeared at (assuming the standard Netplay match setting of 8 minutes), prompting PracticalTAS to investigate the video further.

On November 25th, 2016, PracticalTAS posted his full study of 600 Hours on r/SSBM.[5] Alongside the inconsistencies in the Final Destination colors, PracticalTAS observed an unnatural, greatly lopsided distribution in the tens digit of the starting timer values on each clip, with 12 out of 19 combos starting at timer values of ...:5X, and 4 out of the remaining combos starting at ...:3X to ...:4X. Using a chi-squared statistical test and comparing 600 Hours to other well-known combo videos, he concluded that this deviation was statistically significant by "several orders of magnitude," which could not be explained by random chance. PracticalTAS concluded that 600 Hours was TAS, arguing that MagicScrumpy had changed the starting timer and stock count to lower values to hide that his combos were not done in the middle of real games, but rather immediately as each game started, using tool assistance to execute each one.

MagicScrumpy did not publicly address this issue for months; however, members of his public Discord posted screenshots of him reacting inappropriately to the situation while it unfolded.[6] Notably, he admitted to putting unskippable advertisements on 600 Hours to gain revenue from those looking to scrutinize the video, and harshly attacked the community, while dismissing the accusations as "drama" that he would disprove once the initial outrage had settled. Around this time, community members remembered that he had submitted 600 Hours to a combo video competition hosted by MIOM with a cash prize of $100 USD for 1st place, although he did not win.[7] This further fueled the outrage, with many denouncing him for submitting a tool-assisted video, viewing said action as dishonest and fraudulent, which would irreparably damage his reputation in the Melee community.

Months later, on March 2nd, 2017, MagicScrumpy posted a Pastebin link on his Twitter account responding to the situation, which he has since deleted. He admitted that parts of 600 Hours were tool-assisted or staged, but maintained that some clips were real; however, he did not indicate which of the combos fell into which category. He claimed that the song he wanted to use for the video was too long, and that he did not have enough real clips to fill out its length, leading him to fake some of the combos to fill the empty space. scrumpy also claimed that he was unaware that the combo video competition had a cash prize. The community largely deemed his apology somewhat insincere before it was removed.

SD Remix Plagiarism[edit]

On November 29th, 2016, Ripple posted a reddit thread on r/SSBM showing that MagicScrumpy had copied exact data values from Melee: SD Remix for his Rebalancing Melee series and claimed them as his own.[8] Ripple claimed that he had plagiarized from SD Remix's Zelda, Link, Donkey Kong, Ness, Mr. Game & Watch, and Bowser; of particular note was his plagiarism of a mistake that the SD Remix team had made involving an attempt to make Link's up smash connect properly. This would only further damage his reputation in the competitive Melee community, particularly because he had previously criticized SD Remix at the outset of his series for making characters too powerful.

Following the accusations, MagicScrumpy removed the download links for each of the plagiarized "Rebalanced" characters, but did not make a formal statement addressing the controversy. However, in 2017, when asked about what happened to his Balanced Melee mods in a Reddit thread, MagicScrumpy responded. He stated that he felt burnt out with the Melee community and called it obnoxious, referring to the comment sections of his videos being mostly "joke suggestions" and how it made him feel like a "content monkey." He also referred to the community as unappreciative of his work. He made no reference to the plagiarism allegations.[9]

The majority of MagicScrumpy's videos were hidden from the channel in early April 2022 after the issue was brought to light again that year, and the channel remains abandoned, while MagicScrumpy himself has not been involved in the Smash community in any known capacity since.

Trivia[edit]

  • MagicScrumpy was known for speedrunning other games such as Super Mario Sunshine, which his channel featured some videos of. He also became a subject of controversy in the speedrunning community however, when a Super Mario Bros. speedrun he uploaded to his channel and submitted to the speedrun.com leaderboard was later found to be TASed.[10]

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References[edit]