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However, Marth's grab does come with downsides. Like many grabs, it has noticeable endlag, making it punishable when whiffed. Additionally, while his grab may extend a long distance, Marth's grounded grab actually cannot reach some crouching characters, most notoriously {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}, which means it is not a foolproof approach option. Despite these flaws, Marth's grab is still one of his greatest advantages over other characters, and players utilize this move in their neutral and punish games at all levels of play.
However, Marth's grab does come with downsides. Like many grabs, it has noticeable endlag, making it punishable when whiffed. Additionally, while his grab may extend a long distance, Marth's grounded grab actually cannot reach some crouching characters, most notoriously {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}}, which means it is not a foolproof approach option. Despite these flaws, Marth's grab is still one of his greatest advantages over other characters, and players utilize this move in their neutral and punish games at all levels of play.


His dash grab is able to grab behind of him, but doesn't extend out as far out in front of him and has more stating and ending lag.
His dash grab is able to grab behind of him, but doesn't extend out as far out in front of him and has more starting and ending lag. As such, Marth players will usually want to [[jump cancel]] a dash into a standing grab instead of dash grabbing in most scenarios.
==Hitboxes==
===Standing grab===
{{MeleeHitboxTableHeader}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=0
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=2100
|zpos=3300
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=1
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=2000
|zpos=2500
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=2
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=1900
|zpos=1800
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
|}
 
===Dash grab===
{{MeleeHitboxTableHeader}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=0
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=1900
|zpos=3600
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=1
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=1800
|zpos=2500
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=2
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=1700
|zpos=1400
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
{{MeleeHitboxTableRow
|id=2
|damage=0%
|sd=0
|angle=361
|bk=0
|ks=100
|fkv=0
|r=1000
|bn=0
|ypos=1700
|zpos=400
|rebound=f
|effect=Grab
|slvl=M
|sfx=Kick
}}
|}
==Timing==
==Timing==
===Grab===
===Grab===
{|class="wikitable"
{|class="wikitable"
|-
|-
!Hitboxes
!Grab
|7-8
|7-8
|-
|-
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=6}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=22}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=6}}{{FrameStrip|t=Grab|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=22}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}
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{|class="wikitable"
{|class="wikitable"
|-
|-
!Hitboxes
!Grab
|10-11
|10-11
|-
|-
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{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStripStart}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=9}}{{FrameStrip|t=Hitbox|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=29}}
{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=9}}{{FrameStrip|t=Grab|c=2}}{{FrameStrip|t=Lag|c=29}}
|-
|-
{{FrameStripEnd}}
{{FrameStripEnd}}


{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|hitbox=y}}
{{FrameIconLegend|lag=y|grab=y}}
 
{{MvSubNavMarth|g=SSBM}}


[[Category:Marth (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Marth (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Grabs (SSBM)]]
[[Category:Grabs (SSBM)]]

Latest revision as of 04:50, April 10, 2021

Overview[edit]

Hitbox duration of Marth's grab.
Hitbox duration of Marth's dash grab.

Marth's grab is the longest non-tether grab in Melee, and the fourth longest grab in the game. It is a staple part of his metagame, as many of Marth's most potent combos and setups stem from his high-utility throws; often, Marth achieves his biggest possible conversions off of a grab, and his grab range makes these setups very consistent. The long range also allows him to chain grab the space animals more consistently than almost any other character can, besides possibly Fox himself. Marth's dash dance grab is particularly strong, and is one of his best neutral game options, as he can cover multiple spacings with his long dash dance, while further challenging the opponent's space and threatening to put them in unsafe positions with his long grab.

However, Marth's grab does come with downsides. Like many grabs, it has noticeable endlag, making it punishable when whiffed. Additionally, while his grab may extend a long distance, Marth's grounded grab actually cannot reach some crouching characters, most notoriously Jigglypuff, which means it is not a foolproof approach option. Despite these flaws, Marth's grab is still one of his greatest advantages over other characters, and players utilize this move in their neutral and punish games at all levels of play.

His dash grab is able to grab behind of him, but doesn't extend out as far out in front of him and has more starting and ending lag. As such, Marth players will usually want to jump cancel a dash into a standing grab instead of dash grabbing in most scenarios.

Hitboxes[edit]

Standing grab[edit]

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
0 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 8.2026 12.8898 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick
1 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 7.812 9.765 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick
2 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 7.4214 7.0308 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick

Dash grab[edit]

ID Part Damage SD Angle BK KS FKV Radius Bone Offset Clang Rebound Effect G A Sound
0 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 7.4214 14.0616 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick
1 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 7.0308 9.765 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick
2 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 6.6402 5.4684 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick
2 0 0% 0 Sakurai angle 0 100 0 3.906 0 0.0 6.6402 1.5624 HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(NoRebound).png Grab (effect) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png M Kick

Timing[edit]

Grab[edit]

Grab 7-8
Animation length 30
FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Grab).png FrameIcon(Grab).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png

Dash Grab[edit]

Grab 10-11
Animation length 40
FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Grab).png FrameIcon(Grab).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png FrameIcon(Lag).png
Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag
Lag time
Grab
Grab