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NOTE: We understand that tiers are a point of contention among members of the Smash community. However, this page discusses the tier lists that the Smash Back Room have posted. These are accepted by almost every high level player, and as such are important and notable content to this wiki. Discussion on this talk page should be limited to the content of the page, not to debate on the ordering of tiers, we report the tier lists, we don't decide them. If you want to discuss the tier lists, go to these forums; (forum for Smash 4, forum for Melee). If you want to argue tier placements, take it to Smashboards, not here. Additionally, do not use this page to argue about the existence of tiers. If you firmly believe tiers do not exist and are intent on changing the Wiki's stance about it, go see the argument we have on it on this page here, and thoroughly refute the treatise on its talk page, do not argue it here.

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Where is Ultimate's tier list?

It may take long but I didn't really expect it to be thIS long.

Maybe 2020 because smash 4 tier list came out in 2016 two years after the games came out in 2014 Thegameandwatch (talk) 14:57, 7 February 2019 (EST)

I found a really trustworthy one on r/smashbros that factored votes and tournament results. SS: Peach, Pichu, Lucina, Inkling, Pikachu S: Wolf, Olimar, Ike, Palutena, Fox A: Marth, Wario, Chrom, Snake, PKMN Trainer, Cloud, Roy, Link, Yoshi, Young Link, ROB B:Donkey Kong, Ness C: Shulk, Megaman, Simon, Mewtwo, Greninja, Falco, Luigi, Mario, Lucario, Bowser, Sonic, Zero Suit Samus, Meta Knight, Lucas, Mii Swordfighter, Toon Link D: Shulk, Pit, Dark Pit, Bayonetta, Jigglypuff, Diddy Kong, Ryu, Ganondorf, Corrin, Captain Falcon, Samus, Isabelle, Villager, King K Rool E: Zelda, Ridley, Incineroar, King DeDeDe, Wii fit Trainer, Dr Mario, Pac Man F:Robin, Game and Watch, Ice Climbers, Rosalina, Shiek, Duck Hunt, Mii Brawler G:Bowser Jr, Kirby H: Little mac

KillerIncineroar (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2019 (EST)

Sorry if its weirdly formatted KillerIncineroar (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2019 (EST)

Currently, the problem with SSBU tier lists is that the meta is still heavily undecided. SmashCentralOfficial has been doing monthly tier lists based on tournament plays (aka: non-subjective opinion), and they've been changing quite a bit each month. 46.238.6.59 08:27, March 18, 2019 (EDT)

yeah, its been 5 months (or around that time) since super smash bros ultimate came out, I think a tier list should have released. 98.127.69.195 00:12, May 28, 2019 (EDT) (:)

Smash 4's Smash Backroom tier list wasn't released until February 2016, well over a year after Smash 4 was released. Even then, it was controversial since Corrin and Bayonetta were unreleased. Ultimate, therefore, would most likely have to wait until the final DLC is released and out for a few months before an official tier list will be attempted. CookiesCreme 21:02, August 23, 2019 (EDT)

Here's the most recent tier list I could find reliable on r/smashbros (ordered, as of 4.0.0): Top (SS, S), High (A, B), Middle (C, D), Low (E, F) and Bottom (G) SS: Joker, Peach/Daisy, Snake, Pikachu S: Pokemon Trainer, Lucina, Inkling, Palutena, Wolf, Wario, ZSS, Olimar, Roy, Fox, Chrom A: Greninja, Pichu, Shulk, R.O.B., Mega Man, Mario B: Young Link, Pac Man, Bowser, Cloud, Ike, Yoshi, Ken, Ness C: Link, Marth, Diddy Kong, Mr. Game & Watch, Luigi, Falco D: Captain Falcon, Toon Link, Ryu, Duck Hunt, Meta Knight, Lucario, Wii Fit Trainer, Sonic, Simon/Richter, Hero, Ice Climbers, (Dark) Samus, Rosalina & Luma E: Villager, Bayonetta, Lucas, Robin, Ridley, Incineroar F: (Dark) Pit, King Dedede, Sheik, Mii Brawler, Mewtwo, Corrin, Donkey Kong, Mii Swordfighter, Mii Gunner, Zelda, Ganondorf, Dr. Mario G: Piranha Plant, Bowser Jr., Isabelle, Jigglypuff, Kirby, Little Mac, King K. Rool TigerZ ligerZ (talk) 19:59, September 14, 2019 (EDT)

We don't use Reddit's tier list, since it's not the official one released from Smashboards. CookiesCreme 20:01, September 14, 2019 (EDT)

For now, could we just include a reason for a lack thereof like with Smash 4 before it received "official" tier lists?

"There is no widely accepted or widely referenced tier list for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate at present. Reasons for this include the game receiving balance patches every few months and the addition of downloadable content characters, meaning that the competitive metagame is currently too unstable for the creation of a proper tier list." ~Marlotix (Talk·Contributions) 14:09, September 16, 2019 (EDT)

I guess it's fine, we did that before the Smash 4 one came out. CookiesCreme 15:25, September 16, 2019 (EDT)

As of the recent tier list for 7.00 my opinions. Top (S, A+, A) High (A-, B+, B) Upper Mid (B-, C+, C) Mid (C-, D, E) Lower Mid (F) Low/Bottom (G) S: Joker, Pikachu, Peach/Daisy A+: Lucina, Snake, Pokemon Trainer A: Palutena, MG&W, Mario, Fox, Shulk, Pichu, ZZS, Inkling A-: Roy, Ike, Chrom, Young Link, Wolf, Greninja, Wario, Yoshi, Pac-Man B+: Cloud, Bowser, B%K, Olimar/Alph, Link, Ness, R.O.B, All Hero Alts B: Marth, Luigi, Terry, Ken, Falco, Duck Hunt, Lucario, Diddy Kong, Mega Man B-: Ryu, Byleth, Sonic, Toon Link C+: Meta Knight, Ice Climbers, Mewtwo, Simon/Richter, Wii Fit Trainer C: Zelda, R&L, Samus/Dark Samus, Lucas, Captain Falcon C-: Shiek, Pit/Dark Pit, Mii Gunner/Sans D: Mii Swordfighter, Villager, Robin, Jigglypuff E: Bayonetta, Corrin, Mii Brawler, Isabelle, Piranha Plant F: Bowser Jr., Incineroar, Ganondorf, King Dedede, Donkey Kong, King K Rool G: Ridley, Dr. Mario, Kirby, Little Mac Just saying. Just my thoughts. Been over 2 years already in 2020. No official smash ultimate wiki has come out. [[User talk:Howplayz|Howplayz}} 10:34 AM, March 24 2020

the website already discussing this topic Forum:Tier list debate 2020: Part 1 Thegameandwatch (talk) 14:00, March 24, 2020 (EDT)

information that can change tiers

post information here that can potentially change the tiers of characters. (use technical data as much as possible, and not personal bias)

project m?

I know I know it's a mod, but it is the most popular one by far. It is also featured in many high level tournaments and they just had their biggest one at the even bigger balc. Doesn't it already have a tier list too on their main page? I think project m should also be on the navigation screen, but maybe that's just me idk. Sweetstu24 (talk•contribs•logs) 12:01, 12 July 2018 (EST)

I agree, it should be there Patzui (talk) 12:11, 10 December 2018 (EST)

It’s in the mod article in this wiki Thegameandwatch (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2019 (EST)