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I don't know much about this kind of thing, but if players from Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland have those respective flags next to their names, should English players be represented by an English flag rather than the Union Jack? <font face="centaur">&ndash; [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 23:04, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
I don't know much about this kind of thing, but if players from Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland have those respective flags next to their names, should English players be represented by an English flag rather than the Union Jack? <font face="centaur">&ndash; [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 23:04, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
:I was under the impression that the Union Jack ''was'' the GB flag. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:26, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
:I was under the impression that the Union Jack ''was'' the GB flag. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 23:26, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
::The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom, i.e. the union encompassing England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Either all the UK players should have it, or none of them should (and the English players should instead have [[:File:Flag of England.png|this]]). For a UK-specific page, I'd recommend the latter. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 08:46, 13 September 2018 (EDT)  
::The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom, i.e. the union encompassing England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Either all the UK players should have it, or none of them should (and the English players should instead have [[:File:Flag of England.svg|this]]). For a UK-specific page, I'd recommend the latter. [[File:Zyrac sig.png]] <font face="Lucida Console">[[User:Zyrac|<font color="green">'''Zyrac'''</font>]]<small>([[User talk:Zyrac|<font color="green">talk</font>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Zyrac|<font color="green">contribs</font>]])</small></font> 08:46, 13 September 2018 (EDT)  


As a not-Brit, I wouldn't make assumptions. If someone complains we can change it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 06:33, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
As a not-Brit, I wouldn't make assumptions. If someone complains we can change it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Wacko 06:33, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
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:Make of that what you will. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:55, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
:Make of that what you will. [[User:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''Aidan'''</span>]], [[User talk:Aidanzapunk|<span style="color: blue;">'''the Rurouni'''</span>]] 10:55, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
::Regarding the St. George's Cross flag, while it is ''technically'' the flag of England, almost nobody actually uses it, and the UK flag is much more popularly used to represent the country. I know this probably isn't a reason in and of itself to use the UK flag for England, but it's something to bear in mind. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 15:50, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
::Regarding the St. George's Cross flag, while it is ''technically'' the flag of England, almost nobody actually uses it, and the UK flag is much more popularly used to represent the country. I know this probably isn't a reason in and of itself to use the UK flag for England, but it's something to bear in mind. ''[[User:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Trainer Alex|<span style="color: red;">'''Jigglypuff trainer'''</span>]]'' 15:50, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
:::I see the St. George's Cross used in sports where the individual countries of the UK compete separately, such as in soccer/football ([https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html here] is an example, if you scroll down to the English men's FIFA world ranking), which would indeed be an argument not only for using it on this page, but for other pages that involve English players, such as Prof Pro's page and any tournament leaderboards that include him. At least if we want to argue that Smash should follow the conventions that other sports use that the constituent UK countries compete as their own entities. I'm not as convinced about that (and I can't think of a European stream that distinguished between UK countries), but I am pretty convinced that this particular page should use the St. George's Cross for English players, and I (or someone else?) might go ahead and do it if nobody has any objections? <font face="centaur">&ndash; [[User:MaskedMarth|MaskedMarth]] <sup>([[User talk:MaskedMarth|t]] [[Special:Contributions/MaskedMarth|c]])</sup></font> 07:24, 17 September 2018 (EDT)
Information: "England" [[Template talk:Flag|no longer]] redirects to "United Kingdom" for flag images. Hopefully doing so doesn't leave this page in much an ugly state. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Celeritous 21:17, 21 February 2019 (EST)

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Flags[edit]

I don't know much about this kind of thing, but if players from Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland have those respective flags next to their names, should English players be represented by an English flag rather than the Union Jack? MaskedMarth (t c) 23:04, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

I was under the impression that the Union Jack was the GB flag. Aidan, the Rurouni 23:26, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom, i.e. the union encompassing England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Either all the UK players should have it, or none of them should (and the English players should instead have this). For a UK-specific page, I'd recommend the latter. Zyrac sig.png Zyrac(talkcontribs) 08:46, 13 September 2018 (EDT)

As a not-Brit, I wouldn't make assumptions. If someone complains we can change it. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Wacko 06:33, 13 September 2018 (EDT)

On a separate note, I did find this on the Union Jack page:
Notably, the home country of Wales is not represented separately in the Union Flag, as the flag was designed after the invasion of Wales in 1282. Hence Wales as a home country today has no representation on the flag; it appears under the cross of St George, which represents the former Kingdom of England (which included Wales).
Union Jack
Make of that what you will. Aidan, the Rurouni 10:55, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
Regarding the St. George's Cross flag, while it is technically the flag of England, almost nobody actually uses it, and the UK flag is much more popularly used to represent the country. I know this probably isn't a reason in and of itself to use the UK flag for England, but it's something to bear in mind. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 15:50, 13 September 2018 (EDT)
I see the St. George's Cross used in sports where the individual countries of the UK compete separately, such as in soccer/football (here is an example, if you scroll down to the English men's FIFA world ranking), which would indeed be an argument not only for using it on this page, but for other pages that involve English players, such as Prof Pro's page and any tournament leaderboards that include him. At least if we want to argue that Smash should follow the conventions that other sports use that the constituent UK countries compete as their own entities. I'm not as convinced about that (and I can't think of a European stream that distinguished between UK countries), but I am pretty convinced that this particular page should use the St. George's Cross for English players, and I (or someone else?) might go ahead and do it if nobody has any objections? MaskedMarth (t c) 07:24, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

Information: "England" no longer redirects to "United Kingdom" for flag images. Hopefully doing so doesn't leave this page in much an ugly state. Toomai Glittershine ??? The Celeritous 21:17, 21 February 2019 (EST)