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| I don't know if it'll be a vote between several aggregation methods you give or if it's open to other people giving their options, but I think I know a decent way the system could work. I don't know which sources are considered trustworthy, but mathematically I think this method would be the best way to average characters. From each tier list source, add each ranking they have on the tier lists together. For example, if 3 tier lists are aggregated, with one ranking Ganondorf 25, another 50, and the third 75, then his score would be 150, and if the tier lists rank Peach as 1, 5, and 10, her score would be 16. Then, arrange the aggregated tier list in reverse order of their scores, so because Peach's score is lower, she would be placed way above Ganondorf. This alleviates the problem of one character being top tier on one list and bottom on another by averaging their score out to be somewhere in the middle, and this also eliminated the use of low effort tier lists that don't order characters per tier. On an unrelated note, did you manage to see my suggestion for assigning the limbo percents to actual categories on your cloneosity page? [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 21:57, February 23, 2021 (EST) | | I don't know if it'll be a vote between several aggregation methods you give or if it's open to other people giving their options, but I think I know a decent way the system could work. I don't know which sources are considered trustworthy, but mathematically I think this method would be the best way to average characters. From each tier list source, add each ranking they have on the tier lists together. For example, if 3 tier lists are aggregated, with one ranking Ganondorf 25, another 50, and the third 75, then his score would be 150, and if the tier lists rank Peach as 1, 5, and 10, her score would be 16. Then, arrange the aggregated tier list in reverse order of their scores, so because Peach's score is lower, she would be placed way above Ganondorf. This alleviates the problem of one character being top tier on one list and bottom on another by averaging their score out to be somewhere in the middle, and this also eliminated the use of low effort tier lists that don't order characters per tier. On an unrelated note, did you manage to see my suggestion for assigning the limbo percents to actual categories on your cloneosity page? [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 21:57, February 23, 2021 (EST) |
| :Just realized I didn't give out how to calculate tier levels. There are 86 fighters on the select screen, plus 3 for the separate pokemon and plus 2 for Pyra and Mythra. That makes 91 slots on the tier list, which is divisible by 7, a reasonable amount of tier levels (s, a, b, c, d, e, f). This makes 13 fighters per tier level. If the wiki wants to have s+, s, s-, etc., then probably 3 for each + tier and 3 for each - tier, leaving 4 for each regular tier. Obviously, it doesn't have to be this exact, but since the source tier lists might differ in how many characters are in each tier, this might be a reasonable way to estimate. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 01:08, February 24, 2021 (EST) | | :Just realized I didn't give out how to calculate tier levels. There are 86 fighters on the select screen, plus 3 for the separate pokemon and plus 2 for Pyra and Mythra. That makes 91 slots on the tier list, which is divisible by 7, a reasonable amount of tier levels (s, a, b, c, d, e, f). This makes 13 fighters per tier level. If the wiki wants to have s+, s, s-, etc., then probably 3 for each + tier and 3 for each - tier, leaving 4 for each regular tier. Obviously, it doesn't have to be this exact, but since the source tier lists might differ in how many characters are in each tier, this might be a reasonable way to estimate. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 01:08, February 24, 2021 (EST) |
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| Apologies if the asking this again is annoying, but when will the discussion about how the wiki will handle tier lists in the future continue? I asked Omega Tyrant about my suggestion and gave a reasonable refutal to it, but I'm still wondering when the wiki will be able to make a decision on what what tier lists to aggregate and how, or if we're just going to generalize tiers from now on. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 14:32, April 16, 2021 (EDT)
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| :I don't want to have to keep potentially annoying you, but it's just as annoying to both established editors and casual readers to give absolutely no information on when part 2 of the tier list, three months after part 1 ended despite saying part 2 would come in one month. It's annoying to people who come here for info on tier lists, and it's annoying to people who want to contribute to the consensus. The least that can be done is to say a reason why part 2 is taking so long when it's much more important in my opinion than most of the things you've been actively editing recently. [[Special:Contributions/72.219.72.215|72.219.72.215]] 21:51, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I understand you are frustrated by a lack of response, but it's really not helpful for you to repeatedly push Toomai. He'll respond to you when he can. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 23:02, April 20, 2021 (EDT)
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| Since Ultimate DLC is done, are there plans to have the 2nd tier list discussion? [[Special:Contributions/157.242.208.75|157.242.208.75]] 22:37, February 8, 2022 (EST)
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| Hello, Toomai. Recently I've been having a lot of anxiety regarding [[User:CanvasK/SpiritBattleRow]]. A part of me feels like it is a lot of effort for only a few benefits; those being a fixed-size inspiration section and easier DLC handling. Specifying a min-width for the inspiration column minimizes the tall rows on small screens, which makes the fixed-size cells in the template less necessary. That leaves the DLC parts the only main benefit. As someone who has made templates for site-wide usage and has a lot of experience I wanted know if you had any thoughts or advice on the matter. I'm willing to change everything back to a standard wikitable if you think that would be best. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:01, March 22, 2021 (EDT) | | Hello, Toomai. Recently I've been having a lot of anxiety regarding {{tl|SpiritBattleRow}}. A part of me feels like it is a lot of effort for only a few benefits; those being a fixed-size inspiration section and easier DLC handling. Specifying a min-width for the inspiration column minimizes the tall rows on small screens, which makes the fixed-size cells in the template less necessary. That leaves the DLC parts the only main benefit. As someone who has made templates for site-wide usage and has a lot of experience I wanted know if you had any thoughts or advice on the matter. I'm willing to change everything back to a standard wikitable if you think that would be best. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:01, March 22, 2021 (EDT) |
| :I've decided I'm going to change things back to a wikitable for now; this isn't something I should be panicking about and losing sleep over. If you think the template is a worthy idea then I'll revisit it at another time. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:49, March 22, 2021 (EDT) | | :I've decided I'm going to change things back to a wikitable for now; this isn't something I should be panicking about and losing sleep over. If you think the template is a worthy idea then I'll revisit it at another time. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 04:49, March 22, 2021 (EDT) |
| ::There are two main benefits of a template for this sort of thing: enforced consistency (preventing one page from being different than any of the others unless it just isn't written to use the template yet), and ease of change (one can edit the single template instead of every single row). For a use case like this, the only problem I can see is the risk of future changes requiring extra effort to fix (such as the introduction of battles with DLC-caused changes), since they can't be "freeform" and must be put into the template proper until they can be displayed at all.
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| ::That said, while indeed you should back away and calm down if you're "panicking" about it, I'm not really sure what there is to panic about. Nothing is urgent about any of this, and this isn't likely to be a major sticking point for editors or casual viewers. You can take as much time as you want. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Cloronic 07:27, March 22, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::Consistency and ease of change where on my mind when creating the template. The only pages that I know of that are different are the series pages where they don't list the series. We've already had existing spirits get DLC changes (namely some ''Xenoblade Chronicles'' ones) and those are easy changes.
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| :::I'm not sure if "panicking" was the right word for me to use, I wasn't fearing I would get banned or anything over it. But for the past three days my stomach was in pain and I was developing a headache over this. I don't exactly know why either. Perhaps it was me trying to force a different list style (built-in asterisk method or bullet character with a break tag), or maybe it was the structure of the template (stuff like "should this param be called something else? Maybe shorter?" or "if these were unnamed params then that would save bytes, but it would remove clarity and allow arbitrary inputs") -- either would require editing every page again if they were to change. Anyways, thanks for your input. --[[User:CanvasK|CanvasK]] ([[User talk:CanvasK|talk]]) 09:56, March 22, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Rename request ==
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| I would like to have my username changed to "Jay6T4", because I have done this on other websites. Will confirm this in a few days. [[User:ComJay|ComJay]] ([[User talk:ComJay|talk]]) 02:55, March 24, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Alright. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Victorious 07:26, March 24, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Confirming request --[[User:ComJay|ComJay]] ([[User talk:ComJay|talk]]) 05:49, March 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::Got it. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 08:14, March 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| Hi! I'd like to rename to "'''Pseudonym'''" if you don't mind. Thanks! <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 22:19, April 26, 2021 (EDT)
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| :How do you plan on managing the initial whiplash of a longtime staff member changing their username to something entirely unrelated? I can imagine users being confused for a couple weeks if such a rename is just done straight-up. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 23:05, April 26, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::I guess I could be Pseudonym King for a month or something. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 23:07, April 26, 2021 (EDT)
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| :::Possibly stupid question: Why don't you just change your own name? [[User:Black Vulpine|<span style="color: black;">'''Black Vulpine'''</span>]] of the [[User talk:Black Vulpine|🦊'''Furry Nation'''🐺]]. [[Special:Contributions/Black Vulpine|<span style="color: #CC5500">'''Furries make the internets go! :3'''</span>]] 04:40, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::::We have not had a staff member name change before (aside from one way back before we had a rename policy, which was done as part of the move from wikia by simply making their new account under a different name instead of using the Special:RenameUser function). It's the safe option to go through the process so we can find potential holes. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Spectrum 07:24, April 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| Confirming. <span style="font-family:Algerian;font-size:10pt;background:#000;border:outset #083 2px;padding:1px 3px">'''[[User:Serpent King|<span style="color:#083">Serpent</span>]] [[File:SKSig.png|12px|link=]] [[User talk:Serpent King|<span style="color:#ed0">King</span>]]'''</span> 15:44, May 4, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Symbol Update ==
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| Hello Toomai!
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| I'd like to change the current Dragalia Lost symbol with this new version, it's a SVG file and it's more in line with the look from the game. Right now this is protected so I need some help changing it.
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| --[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 21:05, June 26, 2021 (EDT)
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| :This looks like the exact design I saw elsewhere on the internet as I was searching for references to create our current version of the symbol. I did not use it directly because it would be copying the original artist's work, so I instead investigated the original source material and did my own outline of the shape. Therefore, in order to change it, I will need proof that it is 1. more accurate and 2. not stealing from someone else. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 10:10, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| Do you have a newgrounds account? Cause I can message you and confirm that I am the original artist. Actually I'll just edit the description showing you.
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| [https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/ico-non/dragalia-lost Here you go!]
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| And here is a [https://imgur.com/j5ELvB1 Reference ] showing it's more accurate.
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| --[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 13:55, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Fair enough, I accept your revision. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Incomprehensible 17:10, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| Great! Because I can't change it due to the protection levels, I'll leave it to you if that's ok.
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| --[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 18:06, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| :It has been done, you may need to hard refresh to see it. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Frivolous 18:07, June 27, 2021 (EDT)
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| Hey there, long time no DM. I just wanted to suggest using this icon for the Rhythm Heaven smash symbol [[File:Rhythm_Heaven_Symbol.png|64px|thumb]]
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| This is also one that I did years ago. It's based off of the Café Dog, one of the few recurring elements in the Rhythm Heaven games. --[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 15:24, August 11, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Just bumping in case you didn't see the message.--[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 20:20, August 19, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::The staff of the RHWiki worked with me when I was designing our current RH symbol. I might bring up the idea of this change with them, but I think we're fine with what we have at the moment. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Quintonic 22:18, August 19, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::OK cool, just thought I should ask.--[[User:Sgt. Sarge|Sgt. Sarge]] ([[User talk:Sgt. Sarge|talk]]) 16:30, August 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| Hello! Requesting to change username to "MariusM". Please and thank you! (See you in a couple of days) [[User:GamblerMario|GamblerMario]] ([[User talk:GamblerMario|talk]]) 00:14, September 7, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Understood. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Hammer 07:25, September 7, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Back with my confirmation! [[User:GamblerMario|GamblerMario]] ([[User talk:GamblerMario|talk]]) 17:30, September 9, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Regarding Rosalina & Luma's stock icon images ==
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| You'll have to read this slowly, I tried to write this as concisely as possible.
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| Seems it was your bot that uploaded Rosalina & Luma's stock icon rips, for SSB4 and SSBU. Is there a reason that you have most of the filenames as "RosalinaHead" instead of "Rosalina&LumaHead?" Obviously the icons only depict Rosalina, but the alt costumes break [[Template:CharHead]], and theirs are the only icons with filenames inconsistent with the fighter's full title, as well as with each other - the main SSB4 icons [[:File:Rosalina&LumaHeadSSB4-U.png|here]] and [[:File:Rosalina&LumaHeadSSB4-3.png|here]] are the only of their icons that use the proper full title.
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| If this was an unintentional discrepancy, I can move all of the alt costume stock icons to use their full title, hence creating redirects and fixing the problem. Sincerely, [[User:SamtheBKBoss|Samuel]] the [[User talk:SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #0123A8">'''Banjo-'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/SamtheBKBoss|<span style="color: #FF1901">'''Kazooie'''</span>]] Boss. [[File:SamtheBKBossSIGN.png|16px]] 12:33, September 17, 2021 (EDT)
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| :For those not watching the Discord, this was discussed and resolved there. Basically XL is stuck with legacy code that means it can't use the "& Luma" without being forced to also use "& Pikmin" when it uploads images, which is annoying but can be fixed with minimal fuss by redirects. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yoshi 10:12, September 18, 2021 (EDT)
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| Hi there! I would like to switch my username from Z0mpin to "MikeyLeChamp" if it's possible.[[User:Z0mpin|Z0mpin]] ([[User talk:Z0mpin|talk]]) 07:56, October 15, 2021 (EDT)
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| :As per [[SW:RENAME]], will wait for confirmation. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Polychromatic 09:38, October 16, 2021 (EDT)
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| ::Back with my confirmation of the username switch! [[User:Z0mpin|Z0mpin]] ([[User talk:Z0mpin|talk]]) 06:25, October 18, 2021 (EDT)
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| == Dark/Night Mode on [[Music (SSBB)]] ==
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| Hello Toomai. I noticed that [[Music (SSBB)]] has white text on a black background, reminiscent of "dark mode" common on Google, YouTube, and other popular sites. I'm not sure if it's my laptop (I have it set to automatically enable dark mode at night) or if it's being tested and I just ruined the surprise, but I thought you'd might know. The thing is, Music (SSBB) and its talk page are the only places one can see this dark mode applied (as far as I know); every other page has the traditional black-on-white. I can upload a screenshot if you can't see it. <font face="Trebuchet MS">[[User:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Blue</span>]] [[User talk:Blue Ninjakoopa|<span style="color:#0000a5">Ninjakoopa</span>]]</font> 23:49, October 30, 2021 (EDT)
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| :Should be back to normal now! --[[User:Porplemontage|Porplemontage]] ([[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]) 00:18, October 31, 2021 (EDT)
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| Hello, is there a way to delete my account? I wish to clear things that I do not use anymore. <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:SG2 8890|SG2 8890]] ([[User talk:SG2 8890|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SG2 8890|contribs]]) 01:56, April 22, 2022 (EDT)</small>
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| :User pages can deleted on request, but we do not delete accounts. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[Image: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:24, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| :More specifically, we '''cannot''' delete accounts. It is a core rule of how MediaWiki works. There are technically tricks and workarounds, but we wouldn't do any of these just because a user don't use an account anymore, they are reserved for actual problems. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Polychromatic 07:31, April 22, 2022 (EDT)
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| Hi! I would like to switch my username from MikeyLeChamp to "StealthRoq" please. [[User:MikeyLeChamp|MikeyLeChamp]] ([[User talk:MikeyLeChamp|talk]]) 09:47, May 14, 2022 (EDT)
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| :As per [[SW:RENAME]], will wait for confirmation. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Indescribable 09:30, May 15, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::Back with my confirmation of the username switch![[User:MikeyLeChamp|MikeyLeChamp]] ([[User talk:MikeyLeChamp|talk]]) 09:24, May 23, 2022 (EDT)
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| Hi, I'd like to be renamed to '''Ultimate Toad''', and as per [[SW:RENAME]] I will return in a few days for confirmation, thanks in advance [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="deepskyblue">Ultimate Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 22:25, March 21, 2023 (EDT)
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| :Yes indeed. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Brass 07:25, March 22, 2023 (EDT)
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| ::Confirming my request [[File:Toad.png|20px]] '''[[User:Omega Toad|<font color="#0BF">Ultimate Toad,</font>]] [[User talk:Omega Toad|<font color="blue">the Toad Warrior.</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Omega Toad|<font color="#7B5BEE">(I'm the best!)</font>]]''' 22:12, March 23, 2023 (EDT)
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| Hi. I noticed that the page [[Smasher:Crescentsoru]] has a broken file link, due to the wiki lacking the flag of Kyrgyzstan. I was going to upload the flag myself, but decided against it as the [[:Category:Flags]] page says the svg may need to be modified and I lack the technical knowledge to do so, so I thought I'd contact you about it. The smasher article in question is flagged for notability, so I don't know if it's worth adding the flag just now, but in case it is I thought I'd contact you about it. ''[[User:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: blue;">'''Alex'''</span>]] the [[User talk:Alex the weeb|<span style="color: red;">'''Weeb'''</span>]]'' 12:40, November 14, 2023 (EST)
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| Change username to "A0" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Stefanog123|Stefanog123]] ([[User talk:Stefanog123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stefanog123|contribs]]) 12:00, May 20, 2024 (EDT)</small>
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| :Okay. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 18:30, May 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| I confirm the name change <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Stefanog123|Stefanog123]] ([[User talk:Stefanog123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stefanog123|contribs]]) 12:00, May 22, 2024 (EDT)</small>
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| Change username to "0A" <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Stefiroth|Stefiroth]] ([[User talk:Stefiroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stefiroth|contribs]]) 12:00, June 20, 2024 (EDT)</small>
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| :Rejected on the basis that you have two accounts, this one and the one of the rename request immediately above this one. Select which of the accounts you want to keep. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Yellow 08:06, June 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::A0 <small>—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Stefiroth|Stefiroth]] ([[User talk:Stefiroth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stefiroth|contribs]]) 12:00, June 22, 2024 (EDT)</small>
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| :::I will therefore block this account, and keep that one untouched. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Altruistic 07:20, June 24, 2024 (EDT)
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