Talk:Super Smash Flash

Keep

This page should be kept. The Awesome 16:30, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Nope. Fangames have no purpose here. SmashWiki is not Fanon. Mr. Anontalk 16:57, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Then, why do SmashWikia has it??? The Awesome 17:21, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Because SmashWikia is a separate site to SmashWiki, and we are no longer associated to SmashWikia. Yes, we used to be them, but after we have shed the shell that was Wikia, we don't have to follow their ways of thinking, and thusly we made our own ruleset which bans the creation of articles such as Super Smash Flash. Toast ltimatum 17:23, 28 September 2012 (EDT)

Recreating this page

While SmashWiki is not fanon, I'd say the Super Smash Flash series is notable enough to have its own page. Unlike some modifications we already have pages for, notable gaming sites such as Polygon have covered the series. Heck, Wikipedia has its own page on the series, something that not even Brawl Minus has. The community also seems to regard it as fairly important, with news on SSF2 usually making the front page on r/smashbros and is covered on SmashBoards, both via the News section and an extremely large thread. The original game was also played millions of times on Newgrounds alone iirc. As such, the Super Smash Flash series is at least more well-known and relevant to the Smash fanbase than most modifications we cover on here. Thoughts? Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:07, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

I know I am well into unpopular territory here with my opinion, but if the goal is consistency I'd much rather have a massive reduction of our coverage of mods than have a Smash Flash page again. Miles (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

That's fair enough, but I'd say that Smash Flash is the second-or-third most notable fangame/mod (behind Project M and maybe Brawl-). So, if we keep any modification pages, we should probably have a Super Smash Flash series page as well. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:23, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Just like Smashified, we don't want a massive influx of pages we don't want, and we don't want pages that let the foot in the door for pages we don't want, not mention that the notability criteria of fan-made content is highly ambiguous, with conclusions of the matter being left to mere consensus. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

My point is that we have less notable fan works on the wiki, so it isn't really a case of foot-in-the-door, at least compared to what already exists. I don't really understand your second point. I'm trying to determine consensus, and I'm supporting my reasoning with previous consensus in the form of precedent. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:48, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

I don't even know that many people who actually play Smash Flash. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 18:49, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Aidan, it does not matter if you don't know anyone who plays it. I could say that I've played and a friend showed me, but none of that matters regarding the game's "notability." Nyargle, What I mean is that there is no general criteria regarding notability of fan-made content, so that opens up a whole slew of problems with people pushing for pages and the like. As for "less notable fan works" on the wiki, well, SHOW ME THE PAGES (not including Brawl+/- and PM)!! Help me, help you. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 18:56, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

Balanced Brawl, 20XX Tournament Edition, and Melee: SD Remix. Also, I believe Brawl+ is roughly as notable as Smash Flash anyway. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 18:59, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

I mean, those are all mods that gained some popularity. Brawl Plus preceded Project M, not to mention they shared some staff members, and it's overall important to the history of PM. Smash Flash is an entirely different game that stands on its own, and is not a mod... Smashedpotatoes (talk) 19:04, 31 August 2015 (EDT)

First, Smash Flash 2 is more popular than all of them. Second, fair enough. Your third point I find debatable. I don't really see how whether or not the games are built off an official game; some of the major mods we cover have a massive range of differences from Brawl anyway (especially Brawl-, which even has additional characters), while others are pretty much balance patches (think Balanced Brawl). Heck, the majority of people consider Project M a unique game. While Smash Flash 2 does this to a larger degree, I don't find that the correlation to an official game matters in terms of the fan content we cover. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 16:17, 1 September 2015 (EDT)

I mean all the mods are just that - mods. Modifying the actual game. No matter how much Project M or any other mod deviates from the original source material, it's still a mod. I mean they can still be unique, and can definitely feel like entirely different games, but ultimately they're still mods. However Super Smash Flash is no mod. It's an entirely new game built from the ground up. This wiki is about the official Smash games. Mods can get mentions (or in Project M's case, pages) likely because they have to do with the actual game, and their significance to the community. This one's a slightly more difficult call because SSF2 is pretty popular and it's had tournament presence (Apex). Ultimately though I think it'd (again) get the foot in the door for more stuff we don't want or need. I think consistency is key here. Smashedpotatoes (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2015 (EDT)