Talk:List of rumors/Archive 2

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BS 3DS Leak

http://ssb4dojo.com/post/95233999086/rumor-mill-4chan-20 (Look through the comments for the 4chan link with more pics, since 4chan is blacklisted here, I can't link to them) Should this be added here? It's pretty fake looking, but it's pretty widespread right now. (Heck, Toomai upped the wiki level for it) For those who aren't aware, it's fake due to the names aren't listed under the characters which, as we've seen, is present in the 3DS version, in addition Bowser Jr.'s and Dr.Mario's artworks seem to be photoshopped versions of other artwork. There are other, more subtle nitpicky things, but I won't waste time listing them here. Laikue (talk) 01:21, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

This doesn't look like a very credible leak. You chose the right title. The order sucks, it's ordered by universe except there's a Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina are on the other side of their place. Ness' pic is the same one from his debunked leak. This wasn't thought through very well. Qwerty (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Don't forget Shulk's face being a shop of Little Mac's. The most telling thing to me, though is that one of the screenshots (not on Laikue's link but that I've seen with these on other sites) shows the player's tag as "ESRB______" something or another, implying it's an ESRB reviewer. Which is quick proof it's fake since they review video footage, not copies of the game itself. Miles (talk) 01:52, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Let's not forget the Duck Hunt Dog, probably the most random pick of all the unannounced characters. I'm not sure how the Duck Hunt Dog can work as a fighter.

Anyways, was looking at the comments. One comment mentioned what could further harm the credibility: how the leaker handled criticism about his post about DLC. Let's just say he refused to accept those criticisms and responded to them in a profane manner... Berrenta (talk) 08:20, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Credible or not, it's gaining speed very quickly, and deserves a place on this article. Toast ltimatum 10:42, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

It was posted 15 hours ago, and yeah it's pretty much debunked. I don't see how it could be notable. Qwerty (talk) 12:08, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Each rendered character artwork is unique. The leaker showed more than just the character selection screen; he showed other images as well. Shulk is not the same render as Little Mac. And all of this information complies with the information from the Ninka/Vaanrose Leak. The image of Bowser Jr. is an orgiinal render, with a unique angle of his face and the fact that he is in the Koopa Clown Cart. Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina are all together because they all came into being through the same method: they started out as alternate skins, but Sakurai decided to do more original things with their models. There has never been a render of the Dukc Hunt Dog quite like the one they've shown. To be honest, very little has come as concrete evidence that this is false.--Nintendo101 (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Would Sakurai separate Lucina, Dark Pit, and Dr. Mario from the other representatives of their respective franchises, like the leaker did? Sakurai has never done that, and I don't think he will. It's basically common sense in play. Another thing that debunks the leak is how the stage select is shown. It has the past stages mixed in with the new ones, which makes it look like a mess. In Melee and Brawl, past stages have their own separate area, and Smash 4 will certainly follow that trend. You might want to look at the image more closely. Berrenta (talk) 15:13, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

I would like to also note that using "unique" images for characters is not a new concept for hoaxers. Plus, due to the blurriness of the image, the hoaxer can cut corners in making renders of characters.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 17:36, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Ness's "artwork" for Smash 4 is also unique, so the "unique images" part is somewhat believable. Other details would need to be be noted, which has been discussed earlier by many of us, to debunk the rumors. As for this leak's notability, I'm uncertain at the moment. Berrenta (talk) 17:54, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

Look, can't we all just agree that it's so fake that it shouldn't be mentioned on this page? Aidan the Average Gamer (talk) 18:48, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

I feel it's fake as well. The disorganization that I pointed out earlier is one thing. Another thing that can render this as fake that I wasn't aware of until Gamexplain pointed it out was that there was something off on Wario's model, most specifically his left eye. I doubt the developers would overlook that. As for not mentioning it due to being fake, there are some rumors that are still on this page that are obvious fakes, yet they were widespread, so they are still listed. Berrenta (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

It's been 1 and a half days, so widespread isn't correct. Finish this up quickly, I need to archive this twice. Qwerty (talk) 22:05, 20 August 2014 (EDT)

I've heard that the Duck Hunt Dog's render was found somewhere else. And I've also noticed how the character portraits background has no fire in it. Cherrim98Talk 01:28, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

I think it deserves a spot. It's been covered on multiple sites, and the sides in favor of it being real, like how the UI totally matches that of the E3 demo, or the fact that Jr., the Dog, and Doc's art can't be traced back to any source despite all the claims of "photoshop", or that the screens include a visual glitch that was present in the E3 demo but no one noticed until after the leak, or even how the Tomodachi stage preview in the stage select features an apartment not seen in any media until the Famitsu scans that came out AFTER the pics started circulating. They've also made a lot of arguments explaining as much, as well as counterarguments to those pointing out inconsistencies, such as how Wario's pupil is obscured by his nose, how the names could be removed after a certain point to save space on the CSS, or how this very well could be from the ESRB since there's no gap between the screens, implying this comes from video footage and not a physical copy.)

Furthermore, the claim that "this is how it's always been done in other games" isn't exactly evidence to the counter. Those are separate titles, and nothing IN EXISTING SMASH 4 MEDIA has given any indication that stages will be separated. It's like how, had Sakurai not revealed the removal of transformations back in April, you'd be arguing that it's fake because Sheik and ZSS have their own slots despite not having them in the other games. And it's fake because you "don't know how they could make a character work"? REALLY? This is a series that made movesets for Fox, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, and R.O.B. when they had NOTHING to work with. That's not an excuse.

Regardless, it's circulated a LOT over the last few days, and despite all the debate, there is still no definitive proof of whether it is true or false. Definitely needs to at least be listed. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2014 (EDT)

It should be mentioned on the Wiki, but not to the extent that it's being talked about on the current list of rumors. It's ridiculously lengthy at the moment, but if it can be expanded on even more than it already is, a page for it could just be made to list all of those details. MegaTron1XD 12:23, 24 August 2014 (EDT)

Oh, I agree that it's ridiculously lengthy as is, but that's the problem: There's so much conflicting information, evidence on both sides of the debate, and general detail to the leak itself that there's really not much room to trim. It's not like the other rumors where it's just one character or a text list, where you can just list the bare bones content of the leak followed by the way in which it was debunked; this is still ongoing with new observations and developments happening on a pretty regular basis. Unless you give it its own page, dump all the known information there, and replace the text on this one with the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM, there's not much we can do in terms of compressing it down. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Error on the Unknown Renders/NinkaVaanrose leak

It states that the Famitsu issue with the Tomodachi Life screenshot was released a day prior to the leak. This is false. The magazine was actually a day after the leak. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burb (talk • contribs) 08:01, August 24, 2014 (CDT)

video

I found a video supposedly showing the 3DS version team victory screen with Shulk in red team (it also shows Ganondorf in blue team) for a split second then directly skips to Home-Run contest with Yoshi. I highly doubt it's real (hint: ESRB0083), but anyway: [1] --93.41.167.171 10:41, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Gameplay videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsKwxhG3ioc6FDKupmlVHZQ/videos Should these be added? Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 11:01, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Well some places have exploded because of these leaks. What do we do about them? Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:37, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

As much as I personally don't want to believe in leaks, there's too much gameplay video here to be faked, and it satisfies the first bullet point in SW:NEWGAME. However, I think we should strictly limit what we discuss to what is seen in the video, despite it matching the screenshots leaked as well. This would mean making the following pages: Bowser Jr., Bowser Jr. (SSB4), Shulk, Shulk (SSB4), Xenoblade (universe). (Xenoblade not Xeno since the video shows Shulk's icon is the Monado, not an X as widely theorized.) Miles (talk) 13:59, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Oh, and also Ganondorf (SSB4). Miles (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Welp, all of these videos just got deleted due to a copyright claim by Nintendo of America... Scr7(talk · contribs) 15:43, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

That seems to hint something... But we better get to work on these pages ...a new Nuttais approaching...

Split

Need to discuss it, yes?

I support- it's about the same size as the Gematsu leaks, isn't it? ...a new Nuttais approaching...

Another leaks

http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw#s8WYgs5 Jf811 (talk) 17:21, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

Famitsu N's Castle

Compare the N's Castle from Famitsu to the one in the leak with the stages. ZXLucario (talk) 13:34, 28 August 2014 (EDT)

New rumour to add in the list

Another rumour is about "Ice Climbers cut in SSB4 by Sakurai", can you add it in the page?

109.213.69.237 12:49, 5 September 2014 (EDT)

On the 2 out of 3 rumor.

In hindsight, this rumor likely wouldn't have stayed on the page in the past, as it did not spread beyond AllisBrawl and it had relatively little discussion about it in the first place. Any objections?

I'm also a bit on the fence about the Super Smash Bros. Memories rumor, but I'll focus on that at a later time.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 13:04, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

Tower of Smash "leaks"?

Does the Tower of Smash "leaks" deserve to be here? Some of it sounds too detailed to be made up, but it lacks any kinds of images or videos for proof, so it's probably just another 4chan troll. --Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 09:06, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

Haven't heard of it. Can you tell people about it please?--DHD fan (talk) 10:31, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

Search up "Tower of Smash" in the Smash Wii U board on Smashboards. PikaSamus (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2014 (EDT)

Here's a link to an image with all of the rumor posts [2]

Some things sound like they would happen in the game, such as the Tower of Smash mode replacing Events. But 4 out of the 5 more newcomers are all fan-favorites , with Ridley "not having wings" on the ground (like what, how does that make sense?), and Smashville as a returning stage along with the similar Town and City one. I kinda doubt, but it's interesting to read. --Meyguhmein - talk - *FURIOUSLY FANBOYS OVER MEGAMAN* 00:33, 24 September 2014 (EDT)

OK, so this and the Smash World leak have both gotten a TON of attention and each one has only been getting more true. This is not to say that they are true, but it does mean they should be mentioned on this page. Laikue (talk|contribs) 18:36, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

I agree. I'm going to add them- feel free to revert, I suppose. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:12, 16 October 2014 (EDT)

You know, GameXplain has done an awful lot of talking on this Tower of Smash leak...from what I've heard them say, and because I trust GameXplain (among other YouTube channels), I am going to call bullshit on this leak. Aidan the Gamer 00:02, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

No one ever said they were true, just wide-spread. Laikue (talk|contribs) 00:36, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

Amazon leak

I think it's hardly a rumor. It has no proof so it's not an official leak, sure, but it's not a rumor. It came from a semi-official source, and doesn't match the other rumors at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutta Butta (talk • contribs) 18:53, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

...I don't think Amazon is a reliable source, so I believe this is a full-on rumor. Rtzxy Smashing! 18:55, 17 October 2014 (EDT)

It's actually true... 72.105.77.100 10:48, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Agnès Rumor

While looking around the internet, a user here by the name of NessLUMA discovered images from a Chinese website (link in my talk page) that suggests that Agnès from Bravely Default, I believe (I don't play the game, so I wouldn't know), is in Smash Wii U. Personally, I think it's fake, but is it widespread/notable enough to be put on this page? Rtzxy Smashing! 17:36, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

Doubtfully, that looks super fake and mostly debunked. (then again, I was wrong about the ESRB leak, which was also "debunked", so IDK.) Laikue (talk|contribs) 19:00, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

It does look super fake, and I do, in fact, call bullshit on the fact that the rumor is real. However, how widespread and notable does one rumor, true or not, need to be in order to be on this page, and should this rumor even be put on this page? Rtzxy Smashing! 19:16, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

I doubt it, the image has, what? 30 comments? Plus I haven't seen it ANYWHER else in the past hour. So in short, no, Laikue (talk|contribs) 19:59, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

All right, we no add, then. Rtzxy Smashing! 20:01, 19 October 2014 (EDT)

Smash World

There are two different versions of this "leak" I've found. Once is an extension onto the Tower of Smash, and I didn't find much info on the other except for the fact that there's a mode called "Smash World". here's a brief overlook. ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 20:58, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

This reply is pretty much my reply to the reddit "leak", which is, as follows, from reddit:

• pmtransthrowaway
  It's all text, and the characters "to be added" are just too in line with fan favorites to be convincing. The whole thing feels like it's a setup for a "and Knuckles" joke.
  • Con0rr
    Megaman was a fan favorite
    • pmtransthrowaway
      True, but this is like saying "Mega Man, Ridley, Isaac, Chorus Men, Dixie Kong, Fils-a-Mech, Home Depot are in, and Mewtwo and Roy are returning!" There are just too many high demand characters to be convincing; it sounds like someone trying to get a fake leak spread around by including big names.
      • Navy_Pheonix
        "And the DLC purchase comes with a coupon for a free blowjob behind your nearest local McDonalds!"

Don't ask about the last comment; reddit can get weird sometimes. Rtzxy Smashing! 21:10, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

...That's seemingly pointless, considering as far as I can tell it's pretty widespread and has been for about as long as ToS. Was there actually a point to that post? ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:12, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

The Smash World rumors are possibly real, and I was referring to the DLC mentioned in the post (in other words, that post above is, in fact, pointless; I apologize for that). Rtzxy Smashing! 21:18, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

NP. So should it be added? And if so, as an extra section, or just as part of ToS? ---Previously unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:20, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Yes, I would add it, probably as its own section, since it's not the ToS rumor and it's somewhat different from it. Rtzxy Smashing! 21:24, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

I say it shouldn't be added. The leaker himself, Smashboards member Mr.Prince, confessed to faking the whole thing. Source- http://smashboards.com/members/mr-prince.268174/ http://smashboards.com/threads/smash-world-is-a-fake.373746/ - Burb

Patches Rumor

Would it be acceptable to put on here that people think/thought the patches bring/brought buffs/nerfs, but were proven wrong by Smashboards? You know, in a similar fashion to the whole "Brawl Level 9 CPUs can read human player inputs" shenanigan. Aidan the Gamer 23:57, 8 November 2014 (EST)

Chrom error

In the "General" section, there is this line: "Prior to Super Smash Bros. 4's release, for instance, images featuring Chrom from Fire Emblem: Awakening became common, with most incorrectly using the American romanization of his name ("Chrom") instead of his Japanese romanization ("Krom")." This is entirely false, as "Chrom" is very clearly how his name is romanized in Japan as well and the FE fandom has known this for years; "Krom" was nothing more than fans guessing before more information came out. Could someone with the correct rights fix this up? --137.92.212.142 21:56, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Done.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 22:00, 11 November 2014 (EST)

Chunky Kong

Any word on him in the Wii U version? Aidan the Gamer 10:15, 24 November 2014 (EST)

He's in. I saw him at Amashfest. In all seriousness, he's not in the game. PikaSamus (talk) 10:28, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Figured as much. Alright, I'll go edit the page... Aidan the Gamer 10:30, 24 November 2014 (EST)

Rayman rumor

These images and this video show what appear to be Mewtwo and Rayman as DLC. Would this be notable enough to put on the main page? Laniv (talk) 19:16, 14 February 2015 (EST)

Definitely not on the front page. It MIGHT be real, but let's not put our eggs in its basket yet. Laikue (talk | contribs) 19:55, 14 February 2015 (EST)

I can definitely believe that this looks legitimate. Though I must know...if this is legit (because we'd all have to wait until March 31), then why didn't the uploader play either one of the two character's announcer clip? Hylia's Eye (talk) 00:55, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I'd like to say that this is looking more and more legit the more I study it. Not only do we have fresh renders of the two, but the video in particular has all the UI effects intact, even the background animations. The fire behind the character grid in particular is seamless, even with everyone shifted to accommodate the two newcomers. With all their different silhouettes, that would be a nigh-impossible effect to pull off if this footage is fake. Not to mention the 3D-modeled selector hand moving across this grid - again, with no apparent errors. If this is a fake, it was done by a professional and it would have taken a long time to do. The timing also supports the leak, with the shop button included in within matching similar additions made to the 3DS menus in the 1.0.5 update only a few days ago. This is almost certainly real. VinLAURiA (talk) 20:53, 14 February 2015 (EST)

Well, although unrelated to the OP, if he's in the games as playable for real, we could use this mockup icon for use until the official one is released: If it's not real, then the image can be discarded, but that's just an idea. Either way I hope it's real. I photoshopped the top right side of his head, by the way. Flight (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2015 (EST)

OK, to counter your points: The game has been out for three months, that's long enough for someone to be able to hack the game and insert the renders into the menu. The fire effects would probably work as they would when there are different levels of characters unlocked. As for the shop icon, we've known about the shop icon since before November, it's nothing big. As for the fresh renders, there have been realistic renders before (see the previous archive of this page, Klonoa) that turned out to be fake. It MIGHT be real, I still say that, but it would definitely NOT be impossible to fake this, not in the slightest. Laikue (talk | contribs) 22:29, 14 February 2015 (EST)

Has there actually been any evidence of hacking the game yet, though? I am aware that people have been able to rip from it, as Wii U models are finally floating around on the GMod Workshop, but as far as I've heard no one has actually been able to inject new code into the game yet. Also, exactly where did we hear about the shop icon before November? I don't remember anything like that. I know there were a few extra buttons discovered in the 3DS version, but nothing about the Wii U one. VinLAURiA (talk) 23:26, 14 February 2015 (EST)

I don't quite remember, I have a bad memory, but I'm almost positive I've seen it before. Either way, we'll know in a few days. If we already have footage, Gameplay probably isn't too far off. Laikue (talk | contribs) 23:29, 14 February 2015 (EST)

SSBU hacking already includes rudimentary editing of in-game stuff. I can't in good conscience treat this as fully confirmed the way Shulk/Bowser Jr. were after we got the ESRB gameplay videos. Miles (talk) 23:51, 14 February 2015 (EST)

(Reset indent) If I may, I ask that you hear me out for why I think this is fake, as this could turn the tables on this whole thing.

Take a look at this image. ...Now look at THIS image.

Honestly, I see a HUGE difference between the two. Yes, the second image is only his model. But the models and the artwork have no differences between them. Aidan the Aura Master 00:17, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I..... can see hardly any differences. Yeah it looks different, but it's from another angle with Bright lighting, unlike the Direct image's darker lighting. Go watch Pokemon the first movie and it'll look less extreme (no insult intended, sorry if I offend you). There might be a few minor differences, but you can see differences from the first trailer to the final release as well. And yes, I'm playing both sides of the coin since I'm neutral, ever so slightly leaning to false, on this whole thing. Laikue (talk | contribs) 00:24, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I remember the first Pokémon movie (hell, I have it on, get this, VHS) (also, no offense taken). The brighter lighting might be what I see, but I can definitely tell a difference. Might be just me, I dunno, but I'm kinda in the same boat you are. Aidan the Aura Master 00:40, 15 February 2015 (EST)

Shit, I've been playing with the images in Paint.net and I don't know if this is a point for or against the leak, but the eye lines up damn-near flawlessly. It's most likely a point for the leak as the images look to be in the same depth as each other and nothing else really lines up since, like I said before, the images are from very different angles with different lighting effects. I think I might leaning slightly the other way now.... Laikue (talk | contribs) 00:57, 15 February 2015 (EST)

They both look the same, despite the different poses. :/

Do note that the teaser model has slightly different shading from when Mewtwo was revealed, and the CSP is much brighter along with the other characters.Hylia's Eye (talk) 00:55, 15 February 2015 (EST)

...well, damn...this changes a few things, certainly...I may not mind Mewtwo, but I might actually want to try Rayman out when he comes... (Also, I'd just like to point this out.) Aidan the Aura Master 10:09, 15 February 2015 (EST)

GOD DAMNIT. Aidan the Aura Master 12:31, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I'm disappointed because Rayman was one of my most wanted newcomers, but at least it serves as a warning to all those people who blindly took this as 100% true, just because there was some video footage. Laikue (talk | contribs) 12:33, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I'm a bit pissed off as well, considering how I legit wanted to try Rayman out. But, as the saying goes, don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. Aidan the Aura Master 12:38, 15 February 2015 (EST)

Wow, I can't believe it. This is professional-grade work. VinLAURiA (talk) 18:25, 15 February 2015 (EST)

I'm just surprised it wasn't made via hack, as I initially assumed. Laikue (talk | contribs) 21:49, 15 February 2015 (EST)

Yeah, in-game hacks is one thing, but the fact that he did this manually is insane. The only noticeable flaw was the slight seam on the fire texture. VinLAURiA (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2015 (EST)

Metal Sonic Leak

This was a leak that many people believed in and knew before it was reveled a hoax. Is it okay to add, it seems to be very well known and even youtubers like Etika were talking about it when it was released. (Although he didn't believe it)Nintenzilla 14:23, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

It was debunked very quickly and wasn't very wide-spread. I'd say it isn't worth adding. Laikue (talk | contribs) 14:33, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Alright, I won't add it. Nintenzilla 14:38, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Bayonneta Rumors

How about those rumors of Bayonneta, should I add those?Nintenzilla 14:50, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

What rumors? Laikue (talk | contribs) 14:52, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

Well their was a screen shot of her, a picture of her on the select screen instead of Pac-Man and those were the only ones I could find.Nintenzilla 15:05, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

I don't really consider that notable for this page; it has to be well-known throughout the community. That being said, neither I nor Laikue have a clue what you're talking about (I'm not saying we make up a majority of the community), and if we don't know about it, there's probably more people in the same boat. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 18:18, 27 March 2015 (EDT)

You're right, not many people have heard of this leak, I just know that Bayonneta is a highly requested character, but here's the image.https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8gBpaZseTXDn_vyWVSvGN-3X1nUwMYteWBzXbH3b8FbfBbPnl Nintenzilla 21:40, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

Falco "leak"

I don't know many people who heard of this rumor before it was leaked, in fact I think it should be removed.Nintenzilla 21:42, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

Would that be okay? It wasn't very widespread and doesn't really have an excuse like the Lucina one.Nintenzilla 15:48, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Palutena Rumor

You think that after a few weeks he'll move on? Although I do kind of agree with him, I don't know if these images can be trusted, usually when a good leak is debunked, the creator comes out and admits him self, it's fake. Did the creator come out and say it was fake, or was it just the images? Hello? Nintenzilla 14:35, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

No more balance patches according to Sakurai?

Back 4 months ago on December 2014 I heard that there won't be anymore balance patches but on April 15th I been hearing that there will be another balance patch along side the Mewtwo DLC. Was it true that there won't be anymore balance patches according to Sakurai or is this a false rumor, just so that it would scare Diddy Kong players? Dots (talk) The Goldeneye 12:39, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

What you've been hearing is true; in the April 1st Nintendo Direct, they said the update would bring patches. That being said, I don't think that that would qualify for this page. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:43, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

In this case the next update will bring out a balance patch correct? Dots (talk) The Falcon 12:54, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

Yes, similar to 1.0.4. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:55, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

Sakurai never said that, it was a translation error. Laikue (talk | contribs) 13:59, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

...a translation error? I'd like to see some proof for this (not that I don't trust you). Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:00, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

I think it was a problem I've seen pop up numerous times relating to Nintendo's business speak in translation, where "no plans for _____" gets read in English as "we're not going to do ______" as opposed to a more accurate reading of "no comment regarding ______". Miles (talk) 14:02, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

I see. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:04, 13 April 2015 (EDT)

Royu Leak?

Does this really count as a "rumor"? I mean, while the files' actual intentions are unclear, we have significant proof that they exist. Surely there's somewhere better to put this? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 21:38, 18 April 2015 (EDT)

Such as? Miles (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2015 (EDT)

I say we keep it here until we actually get confirmation on these characters from Nintendo. As much as I wanna believe my boy is coming back, we have to remain skeptical until then, hopefully we'll get some kind of confirmation during E3. Bulbaboy (talk) 18:08, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Well, Sakurai's attending a Fire Emblem concert, maybe we'll see Roy there.: https://twitter.com/LTNintendo/status/588938332891176960 and Cutting Room Floor confirmed the files ot be real.: https://mobile.twitter.com/CuttingRoomWiki/status/588467223833882627 71.234.201.158 09:40, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Kirby Character Leak

So it seems as though some people have their heads rolling towards this image of Mewtwo fighting against Sonic, King Dedede and Meta Knight in Classic Mode. Alot of people seem to think that this points towards a Kirby character (specifically Bandana Dee) since Sonic shouldn't be in there since he's not a Kirby character, should we put this rumor somewhere? Nintenzilla (talk)12:24, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

...in Smash 4's Classic? It combines random characters all the time. This doesn't point to anything at all. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:25, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

No, I mean on the 3DS version of Classic Mode. Nintenzilla (talk)12:26, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Exactly. Both combine random characters all the time. This is nothing new. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:27, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

But when it's a fight against a certain series, like Kirby, it usually brings out all three Kirby characters. While if you're going up with R.O.B. then it's completely randomized. But with Kirby it's always against Kirby, Meta Knight, and Dedede. Nintenzilla (talk)12:30, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Look at this image. I think that is sufficient evidence to prove my point. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:31, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

But here's the thing, Donkey Kong only has 2 reps, so they can't fill up an entire battle, while Kirby has 3 reps, so they can. It's not a team battle either in the images, it's a free-for-all. Nintenzilla (talk)12:34, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) Alright, then look at this. If you look at it right, it not only has complete randomness, almost none of the characters are at their home stage. I realize it's a Wii U image, but what I'm trying to say is that the randomness given of by Classic Mode in Smash 4 overrides this rumor by a landslide. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:39, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Okay, that's the Wii U version, the images were from the 3DS and the 3DS follows a set rule.Nintenzilla (talk)12:42, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Read what I said. I'm just saying the random effect of Classic Mode in both versions proves this "rumor" of yours false. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:44, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

I understand, but the photo was a 3DS screenshot and the 3DS version is less random than the Wii U version.Nintenzilla (talk)13:00, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

For example take a look at this image,[[3]] Here you can see Zelda alone in her home stage, it's possible too have Link, Toon Link, Sheik, or Ganondorf, but no one outside of the Zelda series can appear. It's random who appears from the series but no one from another franchise can appear. It can even take place in Gerudo Vally, but can't take place in any other stage unless it's from the franchise. Nintenzilla (talk)13:10, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

I notice you haven't linked to the original picture. You said Sonic, Dedede, and Meta Knight. In that order? Well, that explains it: it's not a Kirby setup, it's a Sonic setup that just happened to pick up two Kirby characters. --24.17.78.180 13:14, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

(Reset indent) ^^^^^^ Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:16, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Actually good, but no, it's not in that order, you see it takes place in Battlefield, if it were a Sonic setup it would be in Green Hill, not Battlefield. Nintenzilla (talk)13:17, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

I think, through all this confusion, the main point of this was missed: this points to nothing. It's just certain people who want (in my honest opinion) a stupid character in Smash. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 13:20, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

Characters don't repeat in Classic; a rare situation I have come across in 3DS Classic is something like a group of Player + Pit vs. Samus + ZSS on a Metroid group, and later selecting a Kid Icarus group and getting a FFA against Palutena, Dark Pit, and Robin. It's definitely possible for a group to be disrupted like that. As for why the Kirby group is getting, Battlefield, the likely reason for that is already covered in the last section on this page. Miles (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2015 (EDT)

So apparently what happened was that Sonic was mistaken for a Kirby character. Because of this the game thought that you bought some sort of bundle, but since you didn't, the game gets confused and just decides to take you to Battlefield instead of Dreamland. The reason it's happening to other people is because Shiny Quagsire went online and that spread the glitch as the game thought other people bought the dlc. In the end it's a one-in-a-million glitch and I don't know if it's notable. What do you think? Nintenzilla (talk)13:23, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

That's clearly not what's going on; read my previous post. It's much simpler than that. Miles (talk) 13:31, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Not exactly. You see while we can't be sure if Quagsire encountered Kirby in a team battle, or if Sonic appeared via a random glitch, both ways would imply a Kirby character. You see, when Sonic is in the battle, the game knows that one of three characters aren't in the battle and thinks you got a fourth one (Which is apparently supposed to be bundled). Since the character is tied to the stage, the game thinks you bought the bundle, but you didn't, so it loads the first stage it has. Another thing that points toward it being a sign of a Kirby character is that Quagsire said that the occurrence had to do with the fact that Sonic was with King Dedede, which would most likely imply that this character and stage are tied with Dedede. So it seems that this evidence implys that one of the slots is in fact, reserved for the Kirby franchise. That would leave the other slots ambiguous. It would seem as though the character is Bandana Waddle Dee due to obvious reasons, and the evidence provided refutes this, but it's best to leave this ambiguous until we get more information. What do you think of this information? Nintenzilla (talk)14:28, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Let me ask this: You're implying that this glitch was shown online; I can only assume that it was through a Twitch stream. That being said, what did the path prior to the screen show? Only then can we figure this whole spiel out. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 14:44, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

You haven't even provided a screenshot of what you're describing. Without that, it's impossible to take your claims seriously. Miles (talk) 15:01, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

^There's that, too. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 15:03, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Okay, here's the image! [4] Nintenzilla (talk)15:44, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Even assuming that is in fact from Classic Mode (which the screenshot itself doesn't prove), it's still explainable by the method I mentioned earlier. Let's say the Mewtwo player had encountered Kirby as an "extra" character in a previous round, such as a Donkey Kong group free-for-all of Mewtwo vs. Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and an extra character (Kirby). Selecting a Kirby group of opponents later in Classic and getting a free-for-all would result in the game picking a random fourth character after the player, Meta Knight and King Dedede; in this case, Sonic. The only oddity would be the usage of Battlefield, but that's already explained on the article. This screenshot proves nothing that other reports of Battlefield haven't already. Miles (talk) 15:46, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Let me find out if that's the case.Nintenzilla (talk)15:50, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Welp, Quagzire won't talk! Sorry! You sure we can't just come to a conclusion?Nintenzilla (talk)08:27, 22 April 2015 (EDT)

Hello, is anyone here?Nintenzilla (talk)09:20, 22 April 2015 (EDT)

More DLC data discovered

Take a look at this website and this image. Apparently, more hidden data for DLC fighters and seven new stages (with their proper Omega forms) are discovered.

I'll add on to the Roy and Ryu rumor, since this discovery was by the same person who discovered their hidden files. Hylia's Eye (talk) 22:13, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Also, do you think that since lots of sites confirm of Roy's existence, it's ok to mention on his page that data exists for him? Hylia's Eye (talk) 22:13, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

So

Is this worth mentioning at all? Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 23:05, 27 April 2015 (EDT)

Okay

What did I do, all I did was say that the Kirby stage was just as important as Roy and Ryu. It is!Nintenzilla (talk) 21:12, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

It's not the main thing that set of information is known for. Miles (talk) 21:14, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

But it is! Just because Roy and Ryu were revealed first doesn't mean that the stage data isn't equally as important! Plus you forgot to mention that Japan may be a stage due to the music!Nintenzilla (talk) 21:18, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

It may not be as notable, but I was actually fine with it... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 21:19, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

So what's the problem?Nintenzilla (talk) 21:21, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

It's very secondary to the main and most recognizable element of the information involved. Miles (talk) 21:25, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

Also, nothing in the data actually suggests a Kirby stage is coming, that is just what people have inferred from the presence of Kirby songs; however, the fact that victory songs exist for Ryu and Roy blatantly points to them being playable characters, rather than that being inferred from the data. --Skittles (not logged in)

Still, can we lift the ban? Please?Nintenzilla (talk) 21:43, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

(Reset Indent) Except the Battlefield glitch. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

The Lucas replacing Ness rumor is false

On Melee's official website, Sakurai said that he was to replace Ness with the main character of Mother 3, which proves my point, Lucas is only one of the main characters and since it wasn't even close to being finished, it's most likely false!Nintenzilla (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

Contradiction. It remains nonetheless that whomsoever turned out to be the main character would be the candidate, but as there wasn't one, he didn't do it. You've even said it's a legit rumor above. Also, note the word "Rumor". True or not, it stays. ScoreCounter 17:04, 6 May 2015 (EDT)

DLC Characters Leaked

So some info about supposed leaked new DLC characters popped up on Smashboards a couple days ago. It's really long though so ask me if you will. Nintenzilla (talk) 12:12, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

If anyone want's to know what I'm talking about, simply just ask me! Nintenzilla (talk) 12:20, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Could you please put the link here? I'm rather curious to see what this is about. Bulbaboy (talk) 14:12, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

You mean the Shantae rumor reported on the main page? Because that tweet honestly just feels like wishful thinking (as in "we're on the way to become a classic, so Shantae in Smash will happen sooner or later"). I personally don't think it's notable enough. --Menshay (talk) 14:43, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Well actually no, you see, a Japanese user by the name of Speed posted a letter with the Smash Bros symbol on 7 of the fourms, these were Roy, Ryu, Issac, King K. Rool, Bandana Waddle Dee, Shantae, and Wolf. When asked about what they meant she simply responded with, "That's for you to figure out." She would later say that it was just who she thought would in Smash, but she would later say, "The meaning is for you to figure out." Later her posts were all removed. So, considering user is Japanese, she wouldn't know who Shante was since her games have never been released in that region, unless she knew Shantae was in the game and she found out about her that way. She even said when she posted Shantae's letter, "I don't even know who this character is but here it goes." Also, Smashboards is a site sponsored by Nintendo, so it's possible that Nintendo requested the posts be taken down. Not only that but that Twitter post was made after she made the post on Smashboards. Nintenzilla (talk) 15:11, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

This is far from meeting our criteria for rumors, as I've yet to see anyone report on it besides this on any site that covers such news. Miles (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Maybe it hasn't caught on yet? Nintenzilla (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

But how does it hold up? Nintenzilla (talk) 16:54, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

I don't think it's anything than a quick rile up. I'd love to be wrong though Guybrush20X6 (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I'd agree, it just doesn't seem right. I don't know. Nintenzilla (talk) 18:21, 20 May 2015 (EDT)

But seriously, I'd have to question the Shantae Twitter post. He'd probably had gotten in to more trouble if he said that over Twitter, unless someone has a counter too that. Nintenzilla (talk) 10:38, 23 May 2015 (EDT)

Here's another link! The "See you in Smash!" really surprised me. I just found out yesterday, so in case anyone forgets... :) But, at the most, I think we should wait a bit. Hylia's Eye (talk) 19:19, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

@Hylia SW:TALK Serpent King (talk) 19:50, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

The page is protected still?

Why? Anyways, there is a link to Master Hand that needs to go to Master Hand. Serpent King (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2015 (EDT)

Unlocking Sonic and Tails Classic Mode->Classic Mode Serpent King (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2015 (EDT)

Rename the section about the Ryu rumor?

We know the data files exist. Roy and Ruy being DLC characters is what the actual rumor is about, so how about we rename the section to "Roy and Ryu DLC rumor"? - EndGenuity (talk) 22:06, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

Shantae Rumor

I personally don't think this is widespread enough to be added. Also, it seems more like a continued request for her to be voted for on the ballot, or just a note on the fact that she's becoming more popular which would make a Smash Bros. feature the next step even if it isn't official yet. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 13:48, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

I completely agree, but than again we did have the Falco rumor, a rumor that was reported on one site. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:56, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

But that was an actual rumor. This is more like a "We want Shantae, add her!" Serpent King (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Since the Falco rumor wasn't particularly widespread it shouldn't have been there either (which is why it was removed)... but it is slightly more appropriate than Shantae. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:31, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Are we talking about the same thing? Falco in SSB64, right? Serpent King (talk) 14:46, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Oh, I was talking about the Falco in SSB4. What was the Falco in SSB64 rumor? ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:16, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

(Reset Indent) There was one rumor that was widespread that I didn't belive at all, but it was reported on multiple sites. It was a video that used recycled art and claimed it was a DLC video. The person would later come out and say it was faked, I think it was reported by IGN. I didn't belive it, but it seemed to be popular and would start the trend of fake DLC videos. Nintenzilla (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Are you referring to the Rayman "leak", or something else? More details would be appreciated. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:34, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Do read what I was saying Nutta. Nintenzilla (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

The Rayman leak didn't have recycled art. Nintenzilla (talk) 15:41, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

"Do read what I was saying", I asked for more details. I am aware the Rayman leak did not have recycled art, but seeing as it was the last leak you referred to and you did not specify, there weren't many other things you could have logically been referring to from the eye of an uninformed reader. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:45, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

This video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNhYHPAhhg Nintenzilla (talk) 16:37, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

As I said, never belived it, it looked fake. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Ah yes, I remember that one. I don't remember it being that widespread though. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:52, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

(Reset Indent) But it was very popular. Nintenzilla (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Listen, if you lift the ban I promise to stop. Nintenzilla (talk) 18:40, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

The protection is also for pre-E3, so it is better for it to be protected. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 19:47, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

Is this a rumor or true?

http://concore.tumblr.com/post/115495712981/smash-bros-fighter-ballot-viable-contender-list 72.106.150.85 09:52, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I doubt it's real. I don't see how they counted the votes. I don't think it really fits in the rumor section. The leak section might be better. LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 09:55, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

Well, a rumor is basically a fake or unproven "leak", but either way, I don't think this is notable enough for the page. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 09:59, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

I've seen this before. It has a remarkably low opinion of third-party characters getting in, even though the Ryu data had already been discovered and, the fact that Mega Man, Sonic, and Pac-man are in. LittleMacmain97, a new kind of noob. (talk) 10:02, 9 June 2015 (EDT)

It was made before the Royu leak, so... Laikue (talk | contribs) 23:38, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

This isn't a leak or rumor at all. It's a mock-up that was never presented as a leak and it's months old. It might have been re-posted as a leak, but it wasn't originally. In fact, if you actually read the damn thing you'll notice that it says This list is in no way official Laikue (talk | contribs) 23:36, 10 June 2015 (EDT)

Original Classic Mode

https://imgur.com/a/X2VmU#JOv0csg Jf811 (talk) 21:21, 19 July 2015 (EDT)

Old and busted. The renders were found on deviantart. Miles (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2015 (EDT)