Talk:List of minor Nintendo universes

Famicom Mukashi Banashi

Shin Onigashima and Yūyūki are actually both from the same franchise, Famicom Mukashi Banashi (Famicom Fairy Tales). The two games noticeably share the same engine, themes and graphic style. Should I merge the two sections? 190.193.57.136 23:18, October 24, 2021 (EDT)

Nope. The games are related, certainly, but I don't think it's appropriate to blob them together as one franchise. Smash itself has listed them separately more often than combined. Miles (talk) 01:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Magical Starsign

I am a bit of an outsider and did not want to make this change unilaterally because of that, but this series is my main focus so I thought it was worth mentioning. Even in Smash Ultimate in English, the name of this series is the "Magical Vacation Series", despite the fact that the only game in the series that released outside of Japan was Magical Starsign. Artwork of Mokka is even used from Magical Starsign despite the label saying Magical Vacation Series. In Ultimate, these series labels are separate from individual game labels, so we know that it isn't just referring to Magical Vacation the game. I think the section should probably be renamed to "Magical Vacation (universe)", and I am probably going to make that suggestion on NWiki as well. If I forget to come back to this, the English logo of the series from the Nintendo E3 2006 Press Disc can be found here: https://kovopedia.com/wiki/File:Magical_Vacation_(series)_Logo.png Rman41 (talk) 06:21, November 24, 2022 (EST)

Honestly, I'd rather go with the only official English name for the series instead of going with what Smash Ultimate's Spirits menu says, especially since the latter has a number of inconsistencies.

•Both Shin Onigashima spirits and the sole Yuyuki spirit have their series labelled as "Famicom Mukashibanashi Series", despite Goku & Chao being 8 spirits behind the Donbe & Hikari (Shin Onigashima Kouhen) spirit. While it is true both games were given that subtitle, it's questionable why they even labelled them the same series if they're not gonna be right next to each other anyway, especially since all of them are base game spirits.

•The Monster's series is labelled as "Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally Series" (full title and all) rather than just "Famicom Grand Prix Series" or just the same as is, but without the "Series" moniker.

•Yama's game of origin is labelled as "SimTower SP". While a game called SimTower: The Vertical Empire exists, Yama was not present in that game, but instead a GBA adaptation titled The Tower SP. "SimTower SP" was never used as an official title for any game in Yoot Saito's The Tower series, neither in Japanese or any other language.

I guess the only other thing to bring up is that a few series on here still use their Japanese names despite having official English title of sorts (bit Generations instead of Art Style; Calciobit instead of Nintendo Pocket Football Club; Ouendan instead of Elite Beat Agents; Shaberu! DS Oryōri Navi instead of Personal Trainer: Cooking), but outside of Ouendan (Elite Beat Agents can at least be deducted as a Western spin-off of Ouendan), I can't think of a good reason why we should only refer to them by their Japanese names when there are literally official English titles right there. The Jacketed Terrapin 14:55, November 24, 2022 (EST)

I can't give an informed comment about the rest of the examples given. I know above in the talk page there is a good example of a split series, whatever specifics that entails. I think this case differs in that there is no "official English name for the series" beyond what is provided in Smash Ultimate. Ultimate is the only time the series rather than just Magical Starsign has been named in English, and it is called Magical Vacation. The statement that Magical Starsign is a duology of RPGs is thus not accurate. I understand other series have inconsistencies in this regard, but given this is the only time the series itself has been named, and Magical Starsign's original international title was Magical Vacation, I do think it would be a more accurate representation of the series in English to refer to it that way. Brownie Brown's English website also captioned Magical Starsign with the description "Magical Vacation is coming back!" despite the fact that the west never got Magical Vacation 1. I think I actually agree with you on the topic of Art Style, because that series definitely is referred to solely as that in English, but I don't know enough to really judge there. Rman41 (talk) 23:26, November 24, 2022 (EST)

"Ultimate is the only time the series rather than just Magical Starsign has been named in English, and it is called Magical Vacation."

So? Ultimate calls Ayumi Tachibana's series "Famicom Tantei Club Series" but SmashWiki calls it "Detective Club" (and this was before the series got localized; the lack of "Famicom" was likely due to BS Tantei Club being a thing); Ultimate calls Hsien's series "Sujin Taisen: Number Battles Series" (its European name) but SmashWiki calls it "Number Battle" (its North American name; notice how "Battle" isn't pluralized compared to the EU name); Ultimate calls Yama's game of origin "SimTower SP" but SmashWiki calls his series "The Tower" (which, may I reiterate, "SimTower SP" is incorrect; its English name is "The Tower SP", exactly the same as its Japanese name. The fact that Ultimate used a game title that was never actually official further weakens your "no official English name for the series beyond what is provided in Smash Ultimate" point).

Point is, a few universes on the minor universe pages are named in a way that don't exactly match with what Smash calls the series and we really don't need to go with the Smash-relevant names all the time, lest we have awkward situations like {{uv|Famicom Grand Prix II: 3D Hot Rally}}.

"Brownie Brown's English website also captioned Magical Starsign with the description "Magical Vacation is coming back!" despite the fact that the west never got Magical Vacation 1."

I'm gonna need a source to believe that info (a simple link, active or archived, will do). Even so, it's brought down by the implication that the first game was localized, which, of course, wasn't the case. Unless whoever wrote that didn't realize the first game was never localized, why even announce the series is back when it's actually the first time it has gone overseas?

Also, the fact that Magical Starsign was gonna keep the "Vacation" moniker in English doesn't really matter, as a beta name is still a beta name, regardless of whether another region did use that name in the final product or not.

All in all, the points you brought up just aren't strong enough to convince me that the "Magical Starsign" series should be referred to "Magical Vacation", as the sources you use just aren't that reliable to begin with. The Spirits menu doesn't convince me the series should be called "Magical Vacation" when it has all these other oddities and inconsistencies (e.g., if Magical Starsign only gets to be called its Japanese name, then why is Trace Memory still called "Trace Memory Series" in North American versions of Ultimate when the majority of the series is called "Another Code"?) and instead leads me to believe the SSBU localizers forgot the series already had an official English title, even if it was just used for one game only.

Hope I made my points clear enough. The Jacketed Terrapin 01:24, November 25, 2022 (EST)