Editing Talk:Fan game

I know we don't cover fanon, but can't there at least be a simple article about fan games in general? Besides, we have something similar with [[Machinima]]. <font face="Forte">[[User:BlindColours|<font color="#FFA500">Blin</font>]][[User talk:BlindColours|<font color="#00FFFF">dcol</font>]][[Special:Contributions/BlindColours|<font color="#00FF00">ours</font>]]</font> ''TONDA GOSSA.'' 21:18, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== Super Smash Flash ==
Um, was it fine to add information about Super Smash Flash and Super Smash Flash 2? [[User:Marioisawesome118|Marioisawesome118]][[User talk:Marioisawesome118|FALCON PUNCH!]] [[File:MarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 7:16, 15 January 2012 (EST)
:Super Smash Flash is a game on the internet that is identical to Melee. [[User:.....|.....]] [[User talk:.....|Friday]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|the 13th 0_o]] [[File:PikachuHeadSSBB.png|19px]] 19:05, 15 January 2012 (EST)
::I didn't ask for information. [[User:Marioisawesome118|Marioisawesome118]] [[User talk:Marioisawesome118|FALCON PUNCH!]] [[File:MarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 16:54, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:::It is a notable flash game, possibly being the most popular one. [[User:.....|...]][[User talk:.....|..]] [[Special:Contributions/.....|Comboed]] 17:48, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:::'''I said I don't need information on the game'''. [[User:Marioisawesome118|Marioisawesome118]] [[User talk:Marioisawesome118|FALCON PUNCH!]] [[File:MarioHeadSSBM.png|19px]] 14:13, 21 January 2012 (EST)

== The beginning of the article ==

Uses the plural, '''fan games'''. Should this be this way, or should we make the beginning coincide with the article? <span style="font-family: AR DARLING; font-size: 12pt"> [[User:DarkFox01|{{Color|black|Dark}}]][[User talk:DarkFox01|{{Color|darkred|Fox}}]][[Special:Contributions/DarkFox01|{{Color|red|01}}]]</span>[[File:DF01Sig.png|19px]]Now in [[Nintendo 3DS|3D!]] 21:39, 8 February 2013 (EST)

==Super Smash Flash 2==
Considering how I know a lot about this game, would it be alright if I made a section just for SSF2? It would just be used as an example for a fanmade game. [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan the Average Gamer]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 15:35, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
:We don't need examples. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Sharp 15:43, 7 August 2014 (EDT)
::That's fine, I just thought it'd be something to at least mention on here. [[User:Aidanzapunk|Aidan the Average Gamer]] ([[User talk:Aidanzapunk|talk]]) 15:46, 7 August 2014 (EDT)

== Empty page? ==

I was wondering why this page is so empty. Could someone explain the reason? [[User:Zm123bro|Zm123bro]] ([[User talk:Zm123bro|talk]]) 17:00, 29 August 2014 (EDT)
:We aren't allowed to list the individual fangames. That explains why it's so short. [[User:Berrenta|Berrenta]] ([[User talk:Berrenta|talk]]) 17:13, 29 August 2014 (EDT)

== Fan Games ==

If we can add information about Project M, Brawl- and other '''fan''' created things, why not add information on fan games? [[User:RosalinaU|RosalinaU]] ([[User talk:RosalinaU|talk]]) 00:53, 18 November 2014 (EST)
:Simple: games like ''Project M'' have a large tournament presence, while others such as ''Super Smash Flash'' don't. [[Forum:Fanon namespace|It was actually brought up to introduce a "Fanon:" namespace back in 2011]], but the idea failed to meet the standards of the community. <font face="Marker Felt">[[User:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#9f4f3f;">Rtzxy</span>]] [[File:Reflect.jpg|20x20px]] [[User talk:Rtzxy|<span style="color:#66CDAA;">''Reflect!''</span>]]</font> 23:32, 24 November 2014 (EST)

== Add 3 notable fan games to this page proposal: ==

The rule to not include any mention of specific fan games was made over a decade+ ago, even before I believe the site migration happened. This was decided when the wiki was still trying to figure what they were going to be and to not be flooded with fanon stuff like fanfiction and the like. It was also not clear what fangames were notable at the time. It is now over a decade later, where its more clear what fangames are notable. There are 3 fan games worth mentioning. ''Super Smash Flash 2'', ''Super Smash Bros. Crusade'', and ''Super Smash Land''. Both ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Flash Super Smash Flash 2]'' and ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Land Super Smash Land]'' have Wikipedia articles. Both ''Super Smash Flash 2'' and ''Super Smash Bros. Crusade'' have been in developed and updated for over a decade. ''[https://mcleodgaming.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Flash_2 Super Smash Flash 2]'' and ''[https://projectcrusade.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Crusade_(current) Super Smash Bros. Crusade]'' have large dedicated wikia's. ''Super Smash Flash 2'' and ''Super Smash Bros. Crusade'' have their own small competitive communities with a surprising amount of media made by the communities. ''Super Smash Land'' was made by the same creator of ''Rivals of Aether'' and it basically serves as a prototype for that game, while being a complete game by itself. 

I propose in this article relatively small sections be made of these 3 fan games, in the style of the [[Gameplay modification|Notable gameplay mods]] section in the mod article. Each game would get a relatively small description, a link to their Wikipedia page, their dedicated wikia's, and download/play link.

To also make it clear, I'm not advocating they should get their own article on this wiki and the fan games should be limited to just these 3, as far as I know there are no other fangames that are remotely as notable as these 3, plus the golden age of fan games is long since over by now. It should be clear its just these 3 and they will not get their own dedicated articles, which the Wikipedia article and dedicated wikia should be enough to satisfy anyone's urge to write about or learn more about these fangames. [[User:gygax]] 04:39:57 January 11, 2025 (UTC)
:I honestly don't mind listing these three and just these three since I know they are by far the most popular and influential Smash fangames, not to mention how I at least know SSF2 has a pretty active tournament scene. However, I do know many people have genuine concerns regarding adding any fangames, especially since it can lead to a slippery slope where people then try to add other fangames and justify it as "popular", and as much as I do believe coverage of the popular fangames is worthwhile, I do also understand these concerns. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 01:30, January 11, 2025 (EST)

:As an old head who has been around since the Wikia days, I'm ok with this. I know for many users, fan content (aside from mods) is a hard line that they will adamantly oppose the wiki ever crossing, but these three fan games are clearly a step above notability and it does no harm to simply just acknowledge their existence on this page. Pretending that they don't exist just makes the wiki look silly if anything. <span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC; font-size:12pt">[[User:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Omega</span>]] [[User talk:Omega Tyrant|<span style="color:forestgreen">Tyrant</span>]]</span> [[File: TyranitarMS.png ]] 02:22, January 11, 2025 (EST)

:While I don't think we need this, "has its own Wikipedia article" is an objective standard that's also a pretty high bar, so as long as that is adhered to I wouldn't be too concerned about this being a slippery slope. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[File:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Interspacial 09:49, January 12, 2025 (EST) 

Been a few days. Looks like the proposal has been accepted. To reiterate for feature reference only '''Super Smash Flash 2''', '''Super Smash Bros. Crusade''', and '''Super Smash Land''' have been approved. I do not believe any other fan games will ever become as notable as these 3. [[User:gygax]] 02:20:47 January 16, 2025 (UTC)
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