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Coin Battle?

I saw GameXplains latest discussion and they say that the Coin Battle mode will probably return (The text bubble in the third pikmin has coins in it?????) Can I add that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Smasher-Billy (talk • contribs) 11:26, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

I personally don't think it's newsworthy that an old (unpopular) mode is returning. Toomai Glittershine The Zesty 11:28, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

New 3DS/Wii U Pics

I found this in my Facebook feed. Aidan the Gamer 23:14, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, it looks like a press pack of Wii U images for Ness, Falco and Wario. However, there isn't anything particularly new in these images, from what I've been able to tell. Miles (talk) 23:35, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Well, it confirms Starman and Kat & Ana for the Wii U version, so... Aidan the Gamer 23:39, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Doesn't warrant an entry on the already busy News template. All that really requires of us is to tweak a couple 4-3 icons into 4 icons. Miles (talk) 23:53, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Fair point. With the Wii U version coming in, like, 31 days now, small news like this shouldn't really take up all the space. However, I'm going to go add this info to the Assist Trophy page. Aidan the Gamer 23:56, 20 October 2014 (EDT)

Updates

I think we should utilize the "latest version" box in some way for game updates. Maybe we could have it light up in a stronger colour in the week following an update, or put the date of the latest version in the box and bold it if it's recent, or something of the sort. That way we won't need to have a separate news item for every minor update (major updates would get both). Toomai Glittershine The Chilled 23:17, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

Agree: I think that's a great idea. This would separate the regular news from (somewhat) unimportant updates, and it would still give us the information we need. Aidan the Gamer 23:23, 27 October 2014 (EDT)

EU Release Date Change

Nintendo's Twitter feed and Facebook's SSB page are saying that the EU release date has changed to the 28/11 today. Can someone put this in? I would, but I'm not the best at links.ScoreCounter 06:11, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

I'd add it, if I knew how... --Wolfy76700 (talk) 06:46, 31 October 2014 (EDT)

French Championships

Nassim has won the first official Smash Bros. French Championship at the Paris Game Week --Wolfy76700 (talk) 13:11, 2 November 2014 (EST)

Jigglypuff

Jigglypuff can also be seen in the two Pics of the Day of October 29. 84.26.240.80 12:48, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Yeah at this point I don't think Jigglypuff being shown pre-official-reveal is notable, given how they're basically treating it as a starter in all the Wii U images. Toomai Glittershine The Multifaceted 12:59, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Fastest Selling Wii U Title

Can I put on the news that Smash Wii U has become the system's fastest selling game, now beating MK8? Mathwiz86 Talk to me 21:26, 25 November 2014 (EST)

That would go under the Super Smash Bros. for Wii U page. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 21:35, 25 November 2014 (EST)

Forgot Something

Did everyone forgot that Super Smash Bros. for Wii U was released in Europe? Because its now offically released in Europe or something. (Smashworker101 (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2014 (EST))

No one forgot; we're just waiting one more hour for it to be released in all of Europe. Rtzxy Reflect! 18:03, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Oh, well we all cannot tell time from other places like China, Italy, France, Samolia, Germany, etc.. BTW I like your Christmas signature and I suppose I should read the SW:TALK again and again because I said my opinion about your signature which nobody cares about my opinion. :b (Smashworker101 (talk) 22:04, 27 November 2014 (EST))

Thanks, and stating your opinion about my signature wouldn't technically violate SW:TALK in this instance; it's gets complicated in these situations. Rtzxy Reflect! 22:12, 27 November 2014 (EST)

Yeah It does really get complicating like situations like this. :D (Smashworker101 (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2014 (EST))

Smashers' birthdays?

I've been meaning to make this ambitious proposal for a while now, and I decided to wait until the traffic after Smash 4's release died down a bit. Anyway, I was wondering if the community would be okay with putting the birthdays of competitive players on this template as they happen, kinda' like we did with Sakurai's 44th a few months back. (He doesn't look nearly as old as he is, btw). Obviously, we wouldn't do this for EVERYONE, especially not smashers who are inactive, or not extremely notable outside their regions or anything like that, but for those who are active and recognizable to just about anyone, I think would be fine. So what do you guys think? MeatBall104; From overneath the bridge, and now to you! 17:09, 2 December 2014 (EST)

I don't think birthdays are frontpage material, even for Sakurai. Toomai Glittershine The Frivolous 17:11, 2 December 2014 (EST)

Now that we're done with adding character and stage confirmations

I noticed Super Smash Bros. 4 is nominated for some awards categories. Is it newsworthy if it wins any big awards? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:24, 5 December 2014 (EST)

Ehhhh. Depends if the awards are reputable; to my knowledge there aren't any. Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 16:27, 5 December 2014 (EST)

Actually, the nomination is pretty big news. BlueStreak 16:36, 5 December 2014 (EST)

...assuming that's what we're talking about. BlueStreak 16:37, 5 December 2014 (EST)

I'm saying if the game wins in any of the aforementioned categories, is it newsworthy? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 16:59, 5 December 2014 (EST)

Are the awards themselves respectable, reputable, and actually important to the industry? Or this yet another dudebro-greyandbrownshooters-run circus that only nominates Nintendo games because they'll actually get called out for bias otherwise? Toomai Glittershine The Riotous 17:16, 5 December 2014 (EST)

It's called the Game Awards and there are other non Nintendo titles and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U recently won. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 22:36, 5 December 2014 (EST)

For more information, there's Google and Wikipedia. This is its first awards show, but it's a "sequel" to another video game awards show. I feel it's notable enough, despite being in its first year, it seems large enough to be notable. Rtzxy Reflect! 22:48, 5 December 2014 (EST)

Photo Studio Competition

So, the Director's Room announced a new competition yesterday. Do you think we should announce the winner(s) of each one on here? --ComJay (talk) 00:19, 7 December 2014 (EST)

On the news, no. On the Director's Room page, however, we can, if the winners are revealed on a post anyways. Rtzxy Reflect! 00:59, 7 December 2014 (EST)

No more balance patches

[[1]] is this worth mentioning in the news? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 18:32, 15 December 2014 (EST)

I don't really think so. It might not even be true; I hear some people saying it's a slight translation misconception. Toomai Glittershine The Pan-Galactic 18:38, 15 December 2014 (EST)

I looked at the original Japanese article, and yeah, it looks like he might have just been talking about custom moves (although I could be completely wrong about that). I'll see what else I can gleam. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 19:07, 15 December 2014 (EST)

Split regular Smash and competitive smash news

Lately I've been seeing the majority of the news we have here have been tournament results, which at sometimes, it has taken up the entire news list, with no news about everything else in smash showing up due to this. I was thinking about splitting the news into two sections. One for competitive play, and one for just smash news in general. Dots (talk) The Cutie 09:55, 20 January 2015 (EST)

It's a weird case where due to SSB4 coming out there's not a lot of non-competitive news to really have in there. Other than amiibo releases and the little bit of future DLC/patches we know about, there's not really much else in the way of news to have. I would say we should make sure the most recent non-tourney news stays even if we have to bump a more recent tourney news point. Miles (talk) 10:03, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I honestly support a split news. I myself have small interest in a tournament I have no involvement in (and I'm almost certain a few people can vouch for that statement). BlueStreak Speeds By 10:05, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I'm questioning if it is necessary that we should list every national tournament that happened, no matter how minor one is compared to other nationals. That's the thing I'm concerned about. Dots (talk) The Silent 10:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)

If you're wondering about that, then I suggest we only talk about major tournaments, such as APEX or MLG. Others should have at least some significance in order to be mentioned. That's what I think. BlueStreak Speeds By 10:10, 20 January 2015 (EST)

I support split news, for the same reasons as blue streak. Littlesquirtle! I choose you! 11:25, 20 January 2015 (EST)

We already have very little non-competitive Smash Bros. news, so splitting might just result in a really old or empty section. Maybe a "recent tourney results" section would work better, using tables instead of text to compress it a little, but the main page is already a bit right-heavy. Toomai Glittershine The Loony 11:48, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Here's an idea.

We have a little thing where, like Toomai suggested, it's the "recent tournament results", and in it, we have one thing: aptly, the most recent tournament results. It's completely separate from the main news section, and it only gets changed after a tournament of any kind happens. It would be like the news, except with only one bullet (as opposed to 4-5). (...ok, maybe I just suggested what Toomai just said.) BlueStreak Speeds By 11:53, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Instead of making the tourney section separation, I would propose limiting the size of the tournaments being featured on the news template; when there's a lot of tournament activity, only very large nationals would be listed. Of recent tournaments, only B.E.A.S.T. 5 and Paragon 2015 would be featured on the list; the rest wouldn't be large or significant enough, in my opinion. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:16, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Yeah, before Apex 2013, there wasn't a cluster of national tournaments being put on the news, we should return to that state in my opinion as I find that there are way too many minor nationals (Some are so minor that I never knew those tournaments until they're pasted on the news). Maybe we could even make a tourney table like Toomai said and put it in the middle of the Main Page. Dots (talk) The Zerg Rush 19:26, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Tournaments like Final Battle and Double Vegas Down Attack #6 didn't even attract that much attention anyways. Awesome Cardinal 2000 19:56, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Strong Support I feel this is something that needs to be done a long time ago when people wanted to find out who's been confirmed for smash bros and don't really care about tournament results. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 23:00, 20 January 2015 (EST)

Right now there are no new characters being confirmed. Awesome Cardinal 2000 06:51, 21 January 2015 (EST)

I know, but I still wanted to see Smash Bros news separated from the competitive news. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 11:39, 21 January 2015 (EST)

As I stated above, there's little non-competitive news coming and the amount will dwindle further once Mewtwo and the remaining SSBU patch-in content are released. It wouldn't hurt to try to keep the competitive news limited to nationals and other more major events, though. Miles (talk) 11:54, 21 January 2015 (EST)

To compromise, I wouldn't mind tier list releases, smasher and crew statuses, and the major tournaments to be up on the news. Just see if we can find a separate place on the main page for if someone wants to give news of minor tournament results. Dots (talk) The Belmont 13:17, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Not only that, if we do a table for the tournaments, I also think its a great way to show what tournaments are upcoming. Dots (talk) The Gold 13:23, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Based on the above, I would be interested to see people's ideas for a highly streamlined format of displaying recent tournament results or upcoming tournaments. Miles (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Yeah, I agree with having tables, just so that we can at least separate the tournaments from the news. Dots (talk) The Asian 15:09, 21 January 2015 (EST)

I'm still putting my idea out there: we have one box with the most recent tournament results, being separate from the whole news list. We can still keep stuff relating to tournaments, like the first two bullets on our current newslist, but in terms of results, we can have it be its own section. BlueStreak Speeds By 15:14, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Yeah, that is what I said three times though. :P Dots (talk) The Zerg Rush 16:35, 21 January 2015 (EST)

Has there been any progress on this? I noticed recently that the news section is again filled with tournament results despite coming to see if any official news has happened. VinLAURiA (talk) 17:55, 9 November 2015 (EST)

I also support a split. There should always be at least one non-tournament news item on the front page, to make it easier for people to determine if they missed anything. —Fenhl 04:25, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Clarification: I still think doing an outright split is a terrible idea. Non-competitive news is very intermittent, and at most we tend to get a patch a month. That leaves plenty of room in the template for tourney results. If someone comes looking for "was DLC announced in the last month" and the news infobox is tourney results from the last month and nothing else, I assume they are smart enough to realize that the answer is "no". Miles (talk) 04:27, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Agree'd. Fine as is Serpent King 04:30, 10 November 2015 (EST)

That's unhelpful for people who have not been keeping up as frequently or who don't remember the date of the last non-tournament news. I frequently find myself going through this template's history to look this up. Having at least one non-tournament news item on the main page would be a much clearer indicator of “no, you haven't missed anything relevant” than the current system. —Fenhl 04:35, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Maybe, but it would make the front page messy, something we do not want. (it already is a little cluttered IMO) Serpent King 04:38, 10 November 2015 (EST)

I don't see how, could you elaborate? —Fenhl 04:39, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Well to split it is to make a new section on the main page, right? Serpent King 04:42, 10 November 2015 (EST)

If that is undesirable, we could keep both types of news in the same section but make sure that it contains at least one news item of each type at all times. —Fenhl 05:09, 10 November 2015 (EST)

VGBootCamp

Hey Miles, just in case you didn't notice, you don't get to decide it unilaterally either; have you noticed that you're the only one reverting my edits? Once again, if you're going to remove the shit I put here, give me a fucking reason, and back it up. How many times do I have to explain this to you? Smashboards and reddit have really exploded over this issue, and anyone in the Smash community will tell you how important this is.

People like OT have told you enough times about this. Provide reasoning to all the arguments you say without deliberately avoiding discussion, and don't interfere with things you have little knowledge about. Listen to what people say. Awesome Cardinal 2000 09:45, 7 February 2015 (EST)

I've read most of the Reddit crap, and I have yet to find a reason as to how it could possibly be front-page-newsworthy that one channel has made a decision to not stream a game. Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 10:48, 7 February 2015 (EST)

For the record, this is a summary of my point of view: The PM community is upset that VGBC is "leaving" them as VGBC accepts that PM is legally-grey. VGBC is just another streamer; there will be others to take their place, and the PM community whines loudly when something bad happens to them, regardless of what it actually is. This event doesn't "affect the community" nearly as much as, say, PM not being at Apex did (was that a news item? I don't remember). Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 11:13, 7 February 2015 (EST)

I've noticed the community, PM or not, has a tendency to whine about a bunch of crap...and it's mainly because they can't get what they want. Which is honestly one of the main reasons I hate this fanbase so much. Aidan the Aura Master 11:15, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Continuing what Toomai was saying, from what I understand, we don't report what the community thinks. We report what the officials say. The information that the community gets, spoiler alert, goes from the officials to here to the community. Aidan the Aura Master 11:20, 7 February 2015 (EST)

@Toomai: I don't care enough about this to get fully involved here, but I will point out that VGBC is the by far largest and most influential streamer for Smash, they're not just "another stream", while streaming is a pretty important and continually growing part of Smash nowdays, thus them dropping their PM content has notability in that regard and is something to consider.

@Aidanzapunk: Your first comment was unnecessary and not relevant to the discussion at hand. For your second comment, you should quite clearly know by now that we're a community-based Wiki and not an official one. Omega Tyrant 11:27, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Toom basically summarized my feelings on the subject. One stream (even a major one) dropping PM over legal concerns isn't as big of a deal as you seem to think it is. And I am rather tired of the insinuation that I'm not aware of the community. It's not my area of expertise, sure, but I've made a significant effort to keep more on top of such things. Miles (talk) 12:13, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Are you just going to let other people say all your words for you, but still make all the changes yourself? Don't revert changes like this if you're going to get all mad when people oppose them, but still refuse to say anything about it. Awesome Cardinal 2000 15:04, 7 February 2015 (EST)

I'm not online 24/7, and Toom already pretty much said what I was going to on the subject before I saw your talk page post. There's no need to get upset. Miles (talk) 15:09, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Except this happens all the time, when you revert people's changes without saying anything at all about it in the edit summary and/or talk page? Awesome Cardinal 2000 16:28, 7 February 2015 (EST)

I did explain it. This isn't the kind of news this template covers. I'm not clear where you're coming from. Miles (talk) 16:53, 7 February 2015 (EST)

Mewtwo coming

Is this video worth mentioning in the news, or should we wait for a more official announcement? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 12:32, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

I say wait. Laikue (talk | contribs) 12:35, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

I'm on the fence about this. It's fresh info that seems reliable enough. But it's already common knowledge that Mewtwo is "on the way", and the offer ends at the end of March, so having a news items saying "expect an announcement soon" doesn't really seem helpful to me. Toomai Glittershine The Free 12:36, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

It's already over here, so... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 12:37, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

Yeah, I guess mentioning it on Mewtwos page makes more sense. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 12:39, 23 March 2015 (EDT)

You made a typo

On the page, it say Nintendo accounces a Nintendo direct on the March 31st news item. It is misspelled and should be announced. MarioIsTheBest (talk) 15:30, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Whilst it seems odd, future tense is appropriate for dated items. Look up event timelines, they're often written in the FT.

For example: 2012: The Olympic games are run in London. ScoreCounter 15:41, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

While you're not wrong about the tense, I think the point he was trying to make was that it says "accounces", which is a genuine misspelling rather than just "future tense". It should be "announces". PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Looks like the typo pissed of Miles so bad, he removed the whole thing. (I'm sorry, and yes this is a joke) Laikue (talk | contribs) 17:51, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

Please add that

...they are also releasing Mii costumes in DLC, and more importantly, the character ballot thing on the official site. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 22:18, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

Gracias amigo. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 22:35, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

On the notice...

...that appears above the editing thing, we should probably add that amiibo releases are notable, but restocks are not. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 14:08, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

Countdowns

Is it a good idea to bring back countdowns for game updates we know when they are coming? --ComJay (talk) 06:38, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

I don't think updates should have countdowns, mostly because we typically don't get told about the exact release date/time until just a few days in advance, and why bother for a time that short. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 09:56, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

New character coming on the 14th?

I found this from a post on Reddit. It's the official Facebook page, but I don't see anything about it on the official website. Should I add it to the news page? Awesomelink234 PK FLASHBOMB! 20:03, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

Nevermind, that apparently wasn't the official page. Awesomelink234 PK FLASHBOMB! 20:05, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

Double nevermind, that was from last year. Awesomelink234 PK FLASHBOMB! 20:08, 11 July 2015 (EDT)

V-cancelling

Should we add this as news? This is a pretty big discovery, so it's pretty news-worthy in my opinion. Not sure if a new tech really does deserve the news though. F0rZ3r0F0r (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Arguable; I'm inclined to say no, but I'd appreciate other users' thoughts. Miles (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Definitely. In my opinion it's more of a news story than tournament results, and I don't even play Melee. —Fenhl 03:15, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Hard to place, but I would say no. Serpent∞King (talk) 03:24, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm not even inclined to say it's all that groundbreaking to be honest. I say nay. Laikue (talk | contribs) 04:28, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Yeah that's a no. Technical discoveries generally aren't newsworthy. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 08:41, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

It's like putting a glitch in the news. No one really cares about it. Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 09:02, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

So uh

You can still access the ballot I guess Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:41, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

The Japanese version is completely closed and the US version had its link on the main site removed. I think they're just having issues with keeping the official US site updated properly as of late; I believe they accidentally blanked the movie list page recently as well, even though the Japanese version is fine. Miles (talk) 17:55, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

Interesting... Aidan, Master of Speed and Aura 17:58, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

New Direct on November 12

Should it be noted, or, as there is no guarantee any Smash content will be shown, it would be better to report any news after it? --Menshay (talk) 12:02, 10 November 2015 (EST)

The latter. The only reason we'd note it before it happens is if we had clear proof that Smash would be covered (e.g. Sakurai saying on twitter "there will be Smash news in this Direct" or something to that effect. Miles (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2015 (EST)

There was a little rumor saying that 6 characters would be announced (3 of which would be available after the direct); however, it's just a rumor (*MatPat impression* a Smash rumor!). Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 14:55, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Said rumor has been debunked since it said it'd cover mobile games, something that Nintendo confirmed they would not talk about. Besides, makings news out of rumors is never a good thing.

~ UNiK0ЯИUK0PiUM a.k.a. SG9000 ~ // ~ If thou wish to speak to me... ~ 14:58, 10 November 2015 (EST)

I didn't say we'd make news out of a rumor. I was just pointing it out. Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 15:09, 10 November 2015 (EST)

It was confirmed today actually, better add it! Nintenzilla (talk) 18:07, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Cloud

Real quick before I go to bed: I think the news item should be edited to make it clear that Cloud etc. are not available right now (they've done it before after all). Just stick in the word "future" before "downloadable content" or something. Zyrac (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2015 (EST)

Smash Presentation

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Aidan, the Jolly Space Warrior 09:02, 9 December 2015 (EST)

• Finally, more news about Cloud! Can't wait for Tuesday! Dragonfirebreath25 (talk) 09:21, 9 December 2015 (EST)

"official" tier list

Isn't it inappropriate to call a tier list "official" considering it has zero connection to Nintendo or any other group or person that makes Smash? Princesszelda (talk) 01:07, 11 December 2015 (EST)