Template talk:News/Archive 1

new melee tier list

self explanatory

Pardon... what?

Alright, to address my latest edit to the news, the reason I changed the date for the Smash service discontinuation is explained in the edit description - received a notice from Nintendo on June 2 that the service would be discontinued at the end of the month, not that it was already discontinued on May 30th.

Now, to address the "June 12th" news that was up there: I hardly think that this glitch, of which I have the highest doubts, is news-worthy. What other glitches are posted in the news for being found? None. Sure, a glitch that makes Master Hand playable would probably be pretty cool and maybe even major, but I just can't believe that after we've played this game for eight years, this "glitch," which could just as easily be an age-old hack, suddenly shows up and makes Master Hand, of all characters, playable? Please, people. We've played this game to death; there's not gonna randomly be a glitch that makes Master Hand playable when we've already been playing as Master Hand with Action Replay codes for years. Nonetheless, if this glitch seems plausible enough when I read about it, I may try it out for myself.

Alright, alright; it seems that this glitch really does exist - but it has since November, so it's hardly new - the root of the word "news" in the first place - anymore. So my editing it out stands, whether people have just recently paid attention to it or not.

Perhaps I'll try this glitch out with a friend at some point. Sounds fun.

Thank you, and good night. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 01:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I point everyone who disagrees in the direction of the DOJO!!, on which this notice recently appeared: As of June 30th, 2009, the current service that accepts user-generated snapshots, stage designs, and replay data will no longer be available. Please note, however, that we will continue to distribute such data after that date. I've added it to the news template (it's better to have a direct quote from Nintendo (I substituted the word "Nintendo" for "we")). PenguinofDeath 08:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

SSB64 Tier List

New SSB64 tier list was released User:KoRoBeNiKi

Wikipedia Featured Article

Brawl is today's Featured Article on English Wikipedia (Oct. 12, 2009). Not really sure if it deserves a spot in the news, seeing how small an effect it will have on the community. The Dark Muse (talk) 01:54, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

Should this

be unlocked? Malake256 (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Clarification? I'm assuming you're saying this page should be unprotected, though this page isn't protected. Omega Tyrant 01:22, 13 December 2010 (EST)

I meant it like "Should this template really be unlocked?" As in, shouldn't the template be locked? From experience, I suggest cascading protection on main page. Unless you're perfectly alright with regular users posting news. Malake256 (talk) 01:31, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Well, I really see no use for protecting this page. It is a not a common target for vandalism (in fact, the past 50 edits contained no vandalism, in a time frame that stretches over a year), and it is very probably that news about a new tier list or the results of a national tournament are known by an IP and included by them on here before an admin or user does. So, I'm against protecting this template as of now. Omega Tyrant 02:25, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Project M

Is actually kinda noteworthy, at least in hacking circles. There's also a hefty article about it on AiB. Miles (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2011 (EST)

I'm not sure. We never had news about the releases of Brawl +, Balanced Brawl, nor Brawl Minus. Also, it's just the demo that been released. Perhaps when the full version comes out we can mention it in our news. Though if we're to do that, we will have to do that for when the complete version of Brawl Minus comes out as well (along with any additional versions of Brawl + and Balanced Brawl). Omega Tyrant 20:25, 8 February 2011 (EST)

I don't think we should put this kind of stuff in the news at all, because there's always the question of how big/well-known/popular/etc something has to be to be considered notable, which always leads to discussion over whether thing X is notable enough. Toomai Glittershine The Awesome 21:21, 8 February 2011 (EST)

I think this is the most important and most expected brawl hack, also, it took years on his development, but the newer versoins should not be in the news. Doomolish (talk) 23:30, 8 February 2011 (EST)

And now you add P:M to the news? I thought you didn't like it there. Doomolish (talk) 03:14, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

Tournement News

There were two big tourneys this weekend, SKTAR in New Jersey and Smashers's Reunion in Norway. Would adding big Tournements for news be okay? Nocturnal Dragon (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2012 (EDT)

This is a bit late, but I say any national tournament should be put up on our news (just as we did for Apex). Omega Tyrant 10:04, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

SSB4 "Coming soon"?

[1] Would this be 'news-worthy'? --HavocReaper48 05:30, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

No, it could easily be on the press release for the sakes of a simple reminder, there's no proof that SSB4 is actually on the near-horizon. Toast ltimatum 05:36, 2 April 2013 (EDT)

SSB4 at next Nintendo Direct

Take a gander over here [2]. The site doesn't provide a source, so I don't think it can go on the news template yet, but put a smile on your face regardless. The site's trustworthy, they always name rumour-based articles with "Rumor:" at the start. Toast ltimatum 13:58, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

With futher research made, the source would be a Tweet made by @NintendoAmerica. However, it refers to a Nintendo Direct "before the start of E3", which in my eyes reads "around the time of E3". Toast ltimatum 14:02, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

Not news-worthy in my opinion until the date of any such ND is announced. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 16:24, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

I'm not sure this is worthy of having an entry on the template either, but just to put it out there, a trailer is confirmed. Toast ltimatum 08:49, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

It can replace the item that currently says it will appear in some way. Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 09:19, 6 June 2013 (EDT)

Melee at Evo

Check this out. [3] Scr7 03:53, 10 July 2013 (EDT)

SSB4 news requirements

• New/returning character announced
• New/returning item announced
• New/returning stage announced
• New/returning mode announced

Anything else should probably be checked for notability before being added. Miles (talk) 10:27, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Really, a new/returning character announced is the only thing really notable to add in the news. The stages, items, and modes aren't really big in my opinion. All the other news that's going on will be unrecgonized if news about a new stage/item appears every few days. Awesome Cardinal 2000 13:05, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

How the hell are new stages and modes not big news? Especially modes. I'd argue those are bigger news than characters. DoctorPain99 15:06, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

I agree with the new items being pointless to be in the news, but I think the stages and modes should stay. The stages are although not as big as characters, they are definitely big enough to be in the news section, and like DP99 said, some modes may be even bigger news than characters. Terrible is Terrible 15:41, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

I was thinking earlier of giving SSB4 stuff its own news section so that it wouldn't be overrunning other potential news, using images as well as text. Toomai Glittershine The Celeritous 18:14, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

I almost suggested that myself, as I found it dissatisfying to see the new Melee tier list and other news like that pushed out of the news template because of SSB4 announcements. Toast ltimatum 19:29, 21 August 2013 (EDT)

Smashboards being back on.

Should we update the news template so that it says that Smashboards is back on after a DDoS attack that lasted twenty-four days? --MeMyselfAndI 12:52, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

This doesn't really seem like a bad idea, though I'm not sure if it's too necessary. Scr7(talk · contribs) 13:05, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Project M's icon

Project M is a mod of Brawl, and therefore should only be using the icon for Brawl. Scr7 asked for me to respond to his old point of "by this logic, we should remove the SSB64 icons from the Wii article, and the SSB64/Brawl icons from the GameCube Controller article", but that argument is unrelated since SSB64 can be played on the Wii (via VC) and the GameCube controller can be used to play all three games (again, on Wii + VC). Miles (talk) 15:21, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

How does it hurt to put the Melee icon there when the mod is clearly based on Melee, taking many elements from it? Scr7(talk · contribs) 15:27, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Because, simply put, the game is not Melee. It deviates from Melee in several major ways, such as attempting to rebalance characters (Melee's characters are not, for example) and altering characters movesets in ways that do not match their Melee incarnations. It is "inspired" by Melee, but it's "Project M" and not "Project Melee" deliberately, from what I understand. And on top of all of that, it's a mod for Brawl. Thus it should be labeled strictly as a Brawl mod. Miles (talk) 15:33, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Per Template:ArticleIcons, the description for the Melee icon is:

“	indicates that the article relates to Super Smash Bros. Melee.	”
—Template:ArticleIcons

Something doesn't have to actually be Melee to have its article icon, it has to relate to Melee, and Project M certainly does. Scr7(talk · contribs) 15:37, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

It's not Brawl with Melee physics, it's Melee with Brawl graphics and characters. Adding Melee's icon is fully relevant. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:30, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

AC, it is Brawl with Melee-esque physics. It's a mod of Brawl. How much more clear does it get? Miles (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Yes, it is a Brawl mod designed to be like Melee. The Melee icon stays unless someone actually refutes my point. Scr7(talk · contribs) 11:00, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

It was modded off Brawl, but its concepts were based off of Melee, the game was made to be like Melee and is a very influential part of the Melee community. Awesome Cardinal 2000 20:52, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

It still is primarily Brawl, since it uses the Brawl system, disc, and code as a base, and therefore Brawl is the primary "state" and therefore icon, end of story no discussion.

I don't really have an opinion whether Project M news items should have a Melee icon, though I do note that the article itself has both icons (and justifiably so, as P:M contains Melee content such as sound effects). Toomai Glittershine The Quiet 22:23, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

If you're saying that the PM article is justified in having both icons, then why shouldn't news about PM have both? JamesHeart 08:45, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

Little Mac confirmed

Little Mac has been confirmed as a playable character. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) 17:06, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Go ahead and add it. Toomai Glittershine The Yellow 17:07, 13 February 2014 (EST)

Little Mac Intro

There is no official confirmation that L. Mac's intro is him running onto the stage. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 11:26, 15 February 2014 (EST)

The item meant "his introduction as a character", not "his on-screen appearance". So I reworded it to "his reveal [as a character]". Toomai Glittershine The Eggster 15:36, 15 February 2014 (EST)

SSB4 "Speculation"

I'm not trying to start some mess here, but I think its important that we define what we can and can't speculate about (hear me out). A certain level of speculation seems to be allowed about some things, but not other similar things. For example, on the character pages of returning characters, we allow the labeling of moves that appear similar to moves from previous games, despite no actual proof what moves they are for most of them (Kirby's Uair changed into his Nair at one point, so its not guaranteed), but we dont allow the labeling of returning assist trophy characters as assist trophies, despite that based on the screenshots we have basically the same amount of "proof". It seems a bit inconsistent. I'm not saying we should start just allowing crazy speculation on the wiki, but if a certain amount is being allowed, i think its important to explain (or decide) where the line is (because right now it seems like less of a line and more of a "some unspecified exceptions are tolerated"). What do you guys think? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 14:09, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

If you are talking about today's picture of Andross, what else could he be? He can't be a stage hazard as he is seen on a Mario stage. He can't be a playable character because Sakurai would update the site to include him. He can't be a Poké Ball because he is not a Pokémon and didn't even originate in the Pokémon series. So Assist Trophy is the only possible option he can be, unless Sakurai was introducing something completely new but if this was something new, Sakurai would announce it instead of just making a joke on Miiverse, and Andross was already an assist trophy in Brawl. SeanWheeler (talk) 21:43, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

I'm not disagreeing with you (although it could still be a new thing and he is just waiting to mention it for some event or something), but the administration has enforced the no-speculation rule with edits calling certain things (like returning npcs) what they very likely are if not explicitly confirmed, yet let the speculation on other things slide (like returning movesets). I'm trying to point out the inconsistency in allowing certain things without proof and not allowing other things with the same amount of proof, and asking if we can flesh out the rules more to specify what is and isnt allowed when it comes to speculation. I'm not really sure how to better explain what im saying without just repeating my previous post, sorry. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 22:44, 27 March 2014 (EDT)

Lololol

Lololol you guys got me with the Wreck-It Ralph reveal along with F-Zero UX. Crapped my pants for no reason. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 21:58, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

Good to hear. Now I know that I was successful in my pranking! ChuckNorris 22:02, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

...Wreck-It-Ralph...?

Somebody vandalized the page and put Wreck-it-Ralph as a character and stuff. I would delete it, but I can't edit the page lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by AwesomeGamer (talk • contribs) 07:05, 1 April 2014 (EDT)

Never mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AwesomeGamer (talk • contribs) 07:08, 1 April 2014‎ (EDT)

Mango and Cloud9

Can we put up some news based on Mango joining Cloud9 HyperX? Its big for Melee. --Newraptor (talk) 13:23, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

It seems big for the team, not necessarily for the entire game or Melee community. Red (talk) 13:37, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

While major tournament news is almost always okay for this template, I don't think we have specific guidelines for other competitive news like team formation involving major players. I'm not really knowledgeable enough about the competitive scene to make a judgment, so I'd like to hear thoughts from those who are more involved. Miles (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

Mango is the #1 smasher of 2013 and arguably the top 3 in 2014 so far. Support. --Myth 18:51, 7 May 2014 (EDT)

HELLO SOMEONE EG PPMD HELLO HLEP

97.73.64.155 22:24, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

...uh, can you word that differently? I don't understand what you're asking. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 22:33, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Sorry, I just meant to mention that Dr. PeePee got sponsored by Evil Geniuses. That's purty big news, and I seem to recall sponsorships being added to the news template for Team Curse and Team Liquid. Hope that clears up my meaning! 97.73.64.154 20:51, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

I added it last night and people deleted it. It is big news I agree, but unfortunately the majority of editors here are unfamiliar with how much of an eSport Melee has become.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 20:58, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

>if you want this here, please justify it thoroughly on the talk page

>justify it thoroughly on the talk page

>on the talk page

>talk page

If you're going to be a Melee lover, at least take the time to read edit summaries rather than assume that we 100% oppose the omnipotent presence of Melee. MegaTron1XD 21:07, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

My perspective is that, because smashers getting sponsors is becoming kinda commonplace now, each one becomes less interesting than the last. The first few were "wait what, this is a thing?", while the ones now are more like "yeah that's another one, shrug". Toomai Glittershine The Honcho 22:42, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Cloud9, Curse and EG are highly prestigious compared to the rest of sponsors though. --Brian^{Don't try me!} 22:46, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Well the real question is (like many around the wiki), where do we draw the notability line? How notable does a smasher/sponsor have to be to merit a news item? Two months from now, if we hear of another smasher getting sponsored and added to a list already 25 people long, is it really that notable anymore? I wouldn't be opposed to the PPMD sponsorship being added, but I do think it's getting common enough now (the first one was over a month ago) that each new guy isn't worth a frontpage news item. Toomai Glittershine The Awesome 22:52, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

Prestigious enough of a sponsor such that the name is notable to the gaming community outside Smash. If someone got sponsored by CLASH Tournaments or VGBootcamp tomorrow, that isn't too big of a deal, but if EG or Razer picked up Mew2king tomorrow, that has enough media to merit news imo. Of course who they sponsor plays a part too. If they picked me for whatever reason, then it probably isn't worth noting.--Brian^{Don't try me!} 23:34, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

EG is one of the greatest E-sports organizations around. Before I heard the term E-sports, or even knew of any other teams; yea, before I knew of Melee's competitive scene, I had Heard of EG. Dr. PP is kinda the best Melee player as far as we know, since he won Apex 2014. Combined, I'd say these two are pretty notable. Oh and Mango and cloud9 tooooooooChuck the Duck (talk) 00:42, 11 May 2014 (EDT)

E3

I found this from a google search, confirming the 16 players. Scr7(talk · contribs) 14:38, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

Indeed yes, just found it myself. Link to the video itself in news and put the attendees in the tourney article, don't want the news item to be too long. Toomai Glittershine The Xanthic 14:40, 29 May 2014 (EDT)

Master Hand in Sm4sh

Is there a source for Master Hand in Sm4sh???? Crapfully Springed out, OB 00:16, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

The end of this video. Toomai Glittershine The Glow 00:34, 20 June 2014 (EDT)

Upcoming New Character Trailer

So, there's a little link on the official SSB4 to a stream that starts in 3 days, which is stated to be a 3-minute trailer for a "New Fighter". Is this news-worthy? Nymbare and his talk 09:15, 11 July 2014 (EDT)