Forum:Ambitious idea for moveset subpage system
This is a proposal to create a network of subpages for every attack of every character containing in-depth information and technical data, essentially massively expanding and splitting the current moveset list of character pages.
- Purpose
- List all available information for all moves without having to squeeze it into one section on one page.
- Target
- A series of pages such as
[[Donkey Kong (SSB)/Back aerial]],[[Young Link (SSBM)/Grab aerial]], and[[Mario (SSBB)/Side special]]that contain a detailed overview of the move and all its properties and usages, hitbox data, frame data, other important values, and optionally "soft" data such as average KO power. Pages would also be connected by a series of categories that group them by property (such as flame attacks, leg attacks, attacks that can be reflected, etc). - Notes
- Pages such as Fireball and Robo Beam would remain as they are, describing each special move in general without necessarily getting into game-specific numbers. They would then link to
[[R.O.B. (SSBB)/Neutral special]]and the like. - Moveset information on character pages would continue to go over the most important aspects of each move (damage, relative KO power/direction, notable uses), but most other things would be covered only by the subpage.
Support
- Toomai Glittershine
The Keymaster 16:45, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - Dots
The Team Fortress 2 17:22, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - The organisation from this will be immensely helpful. Omega Tyrant
17:26, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - Support. If these pages end up being too short, we could create "Donkey Kong (SSBB)/Moveset" instead. And the person who wrote this should have signed above the "Support" heading. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:51, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
- Miles' oppose vote is irrelevant, as Miles isn't putting in the work (as far as I know, but I think it's safe to say) and shouldn't be the judge of whether or not the efforts are "worth it". DoctorPain99
17:54, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - I'd definitely like to see individual pages for A moves, though I'm not so sure about having second pages for the special moves. THat doesn't alter my support of the proposal, however. Toast
ltimatum
20:00, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - No objection on my part. Definitely will give more insight into how the moves are played out. Conny
20:10, 25 April 2013 (EDT) - SmashBall the Bologna (talk) 20:24, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
Oppose
- I hate to be the negative voice in this situation, but I must admit that I think this idea is not really worth the time investment. I think the hitbox repository pages and the moveset tables we already have on some of the Brawl character pages are sufficient; these, once thoroughly implemented, are probably detailed enough for most practical applications. Any highly significant results of this level of data detail (such as how it affects chaingrabs or something like that) should go into the main text of the page, rather than a subpage. I'd personally advocate that if this level of data is compiled somewhere (like a Smashboards thread), that we link to it instead. Something like "For a technical analysis of _____'s Brawl moveset, see [external link]." Miles (talk) 17:26, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
Comments
Why should we link to Smashboards to show technical analysises? Aren't we working on a complete encyclopedia on Smash? We should try to avoid linking to external links for providing encyclopedic information, especially if we are capable of doing it on the site, and put the information on the wiki. Awesome Cardinal 2000 17:55, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
DP99: That's kind of rude. The amount of work necessary is certainly a valid reason to oppose, whether you're going to help or not. Toomai Glittershine The Steppin' 18:19, 25 April 2013 (EDT)
