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Koro's RfR
Are you fucking insane? I mean that literally. Are you mother-fucking-puss-eating-Dennis Rodman insane? Your argument was shit. It was. I don't even want to hear it. Your argument was shit because nobody bothered to bring up the elephant in the room, and Shadowcrest played by your rules and your retarded premise that rollback should only be given to people who revert vandalism. Here's a couple things that are unwritten rules but that are pretty much adhered to religiously: (1) the power progression goes rollback-->sysop-->bureau. In that order. It is the cursus honorum of Wikia. That is known to everyone. Just like in the curus honorum you didn't have to be an aedile before you were a consul, but everyone and I mean everyone did it that way. Koro has caused no harm to this wiki, which cannot be said of yourself, in the least. (2) the criterion that 'you must have need of the tools' is bullcrap. It's plastered all over wikipedia and this wiki but it's quite plainly bullshit. It's a lot of feel-good nonsense about having an easy way to restrict a candidate who everybody thinks shouldn't get it. His main editing style doesn't include reverting vandalism, that's true, but for one, we don't get much vandalism on this wiki. Just like a medic's job on the battlefield isn't primarily to shoot the bad guys, if it comes to it, he's got a gun. Koro is the same way. Your editing style on the other hand is to gum up the works and impede the progress of this wiki's best contributor, and I'm not going to let you do that. Your arguments are stupid. Your contributions are meaningless. I don't like you. GTFO. Semicolon (talk) 23:27, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Orly? Seems like you people have a propensity for ignoring certain arguments, which is quite annoying, to say the very least. Let's look at my fourth point in my last post on the RfR talk page: "That argument completely fails now. Your big picture post said that giving it to him would do more good than harm because he wouldn't abuse it, supposedly. Not abusing it indeed. That is one of the worst uses of rollback I have ever seen, but anyways…" I'm not going to even argue why rollback abuse harms the wiki, you should know it yourself already.
- That's why we have the undo tool. By your analogy, rollback should be a machine gun, not a pistol. Rollback only gets the job done faster, and undo is more than sufficient to handle reversion jobs. He simply doesn't need the tool if he has undo already. And if you honestly think that the "need tool" argument is crap, then go propose a new version of the policy. Until then, no. RAN1 00:21, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I did read that part. I looked over the revert. Please, explain to me what you think the problem is. The irony is that you ignored my arguments entirely. None of what you've said even explains at all why Koro should not get rollback aside from questionable abuse, but seeing as we have one active sysop who abused sockpuppets and has by all accounts made a fine administrator, I don't see what one contentious abuse does to his candidacy except perhaps support it. And if you want policy, then let me hand you some policy, informal or no. You're not a bureau. You don't get to make the decisions about who gets rollback rights and who doesn't. Wikia willing, though, Koro might be someday. I know that you never will. Semicolon (talk) 00:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- To answer your first part, the problem is he abused the tool. I thought this would be obvious to you, given that you, as an administrator, should be able to tell vandalism from good-faith edits. Semi, abusing the tool he was supposed to use for the good of the wiki is very different than abusing multiple sockpuppets. I don't think that if those sockpuppets were extremely malicious would he still be a sysop, but abusing the tool he was given right on the very first use of it is simply too big to ignore. As for the "bcrat" part, SW:YAV, anybody? Salad made the decision, but I questioned it, then he changed it. Tbh, stop QQing over it. RAN1 01:07, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- "You are valuable" does not mean "you are equal to every other user in every way, shape and form". YAV less. You're free to voice your opinion, but the opinion of an Administrator or Bureaucrat will most likely carry more weight. Salad only overturned the decision because he couldn't be bothered to keep on arguing with you and all your "ridiculousness". One misuse of Rollback isn't "too big to ignore" - you could just have told him why he shouldn't have Rollbacked the edit, and asked him what possessed him to do so. Let him learn from his mistakes, don't overreact and unfairly punish him for them. You're right, there's a massive difference between one incorrect use of Rollback and using multiple accounts - you can't be permabanned for one incorrect use of Rollback. Why are you fighting so desperately hard to prevent KoRo from getting Rollback? The wiki stands to gain a lot from having him around, and if giving him Rollback will encourage him to stay, so be it. Also, don't tell Semi to "stop QQing over it" - he may have trolled you, but that gives you no excuse to not be at least civil to him. PenguinofDeath 01:26, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- For the record I did not and do not agree with you RAN, I just got tired of arguing with a brick wall and having nobody back me up even when I ask them personally. ^^ Shadowcrest 03:06, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- To answer your first part, the problem is he abused the tool. I thought this would be obvious to you, given that you, as an administrator, should be able to tell vandalism from good-faith edits. Semi, abusing the tool he was supposed to use for the good of the wiki is very different than abusing multiple sockpuppets. I don't think that if those sockpuppets were extremely malicious would he still be a sysop, but abusing the tool he was given right on the very first use of it is simply too big to ignore. As for the "bcrat" part, SW:YAV, anybody? Salad made the decision, but I questioned it, then he changed it. Tbh, stop QQing over it. RAN1 01:07, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I did read that part. I looked over the revert. Please, explain to me what you think the problem is. The irony is that you ignored my arguments entirely. None of what you've said even explains at all why Koro should not get rollback aside from questionable abuse, but seeing as we have one active sysop who abused sockpuppets and has by all accounts made a fine administrator, I don't see what one contentious abuse does to his candidacy except perhaps support it. And if you want policy, then let me hand you some policy, informal or no. You're not a bureau. You don't get to make the decisions about who gets rollback rights and who doesn't. Wikia willing, though, Koro might be someday. I know that you never will. Semicolon (talk) 00:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
General Response: See my user page. You can give KoRo back his rollback, I really don't care, Just another example of how SmashWiki fails to be a "community," so I'm leaving. Bye, all. RAN1 03:22, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Seriously guys, you made a user quit. If it was bothering you this much you should have checked with the admins or something. KoRoBeNiKi (talk) 04:23, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- RAN1: Your most recent edits to this discussion and your user page were, to say the least, disappointingly Parthian. You could have at least had the dignity to respond to some of the points I raised instead of just ragequitting. I thought you were more mature than that, but clearly I was wrong... If you really are leaving, and you meant everything you said on your user page, you need to fix this. PenguinofDeath 11:35, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
