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Koro's RfR
Are you fucking insane? I mean that literally. Are you mother-fucking-puss-eating-Dennis Rodman insane? Your argument was shit. It was. I don't even want to hear it. Your argument was shit because nobody bothered to bring up the elephant in the room, and Shadowcrest played by your rules and your retarded premise that rollback should only be given to people who revert vandalism. Here's a couple things that are unwritten rules but that are pretty much adhered to religiously: (1) the power progression goes rollback-->sysop-->bureau. In that order. It is the cursus honorum of Wikia. That is known to everyone. Just like in the curus honorum you didn't have to be an aedile before you were a consul, but everyone and I mean everyone did it that way. Koro has caused no harm to this wiki, which cannot be said of yourself, in the least. (2) the criterion that 'you must have need of the tools' is bullcrap. It's plastered all over wikipedia and this wiki but it's quite plainly bullshit. It's a lot of feel-good nonsense about having an easy way to restrict a candidate who everybody thinks shouldn't get it. His main editing style doesn't include reverting vandalism, that's true, but for one, we don't get much vandalism on this wiki. Just like a medic's job on the battlefield isn't primarily to shoot the bad guys, if it comes to it, he's got a gun. Koro is the same way. Your editing style on the other hand is to gum up the works and impede the progress of this wiki's best contributor, and I'm not going to let you do that. Your arguments are stupid. Your contributions are meaningless. I don't like you. GTFO. Semicolon (talk) 23:27, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
- Orly? Seems like you people have a propensity for ignoring certain arguments, which is quite annoying, to say the very least. Let's look at my fourth point in my last post on the RfR talk page: "That argument completely fails now. Your big picture post said that giving it to him would do more good than harm because he wouldn't abuse it, supposedly. Not abusing it indeed. That is one of the worst uses of rollback I have ever seen, but anyways…" I'm not going to even argue why rollback abuse harms the wiki, you should know it yourself already.
- That's why we have the undo tool. By your analogy, rollback should be a machine gun, not a pistol. Rollback only gets the job done faster, and undo is more than sufficient to handle reversion jobs. He simply doesn't need the tool if he has undo already. And if you honestly think that the "need tool" argument is crap, then go propose a new version of the policy. Until then, no. RAN1 00:21, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I did read that part. I looked over the revert. Please, explain to me what you think the problem is. The irony is that you ignored my arguments entirely. None of what you've said even explains at all why Koro should not get rollback aside from questionable abuse, but seeing as we have one active sysop who abused sockpuppets and has by all accounts made a fine administrator, I don't see what one contentious abuse does to his candidacy except perhaps support it. And if you want policy, then let me hand you some policy, informal or no. You're not a bureau. You don't get to make the decisions about who gets rollback rights and who doesn't. Wikia willing, though, Koro might be someday. I know that you never will. Semicolon (talk) 00:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- To answer your first part, the problem is he abused the tool. I thought this would be obvious to you, given that you, as an administrator, should be able to tell vandalism from good-faith edits. Semi, abusing the tool he was supposed to use for the good of the wiki is very different than abusing multiple sockpuppets. I don't think that if those sockpuppets were extremely malicious would he still be a sysop, but abusing the tool he was given right on the very first use of it is simply too big to ignore. As for the "bcrat" part, SW:YAV, anybody? Salad made the decision, but I questioned it, then he changed it. Tbh, stop QQing over it. RAN1 01:07, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, I did read that part. I looked over the revert. Please, explain to me what you think the problem is. The irony is that you ignored my arguments entirely. None of what you've said even explains at all why Koro should not get rollback aside from questionable abuse, but seeing as we have one active sysop who abused sockpuppets and has by all accounts made a fine administrator, I don't see what one contentious abuse does to his candidacy except perhaps support it. And if you want policy, then let me hand you some policy, informal or no. You're not a bureau. You don't get to make the decisions about who gets rollback rights and who doesn't. Wikia willing, though, Koro might be someday. I know that you never will. Semicolon (talk) 00:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
