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Hey, I know we have bad history, etc. but you have to do something about Semicolon and Clarinet Hawk. People are leaving this place because they choose to bully people they place in their negative opinion, this leads to things like RAN and I leaving this place. We were good contributors, and I did deserve my block for socking/asshattery, but RAN was actually helping (as much as he and I do not along). Major contributors leaving will make a dent in the wiki's community and its activity. You, Smoreking, and Miles do your best to keep this place organized, official, and in shape, but it seems like the two stooges mess all of that up. If you want proof of their actions, just ask me. I can rally up some links for you. This is a serious matter. If these two don't stop, they'll have to BE stopped. I'm surprised no one is bothered with this. I thought I might need to pitch in (someone unlocked the IP). Cheez provided the link to the blog (that was recently deleted) and I took a peek, which was the first "peek" in a while. You've had arguments with him before; you know how he is. He's basically me with power, to be brutally frank. I know I'm not the only one who sees this. No user can exist peacefully as an editor if they're being constantly harassed by admins, in which they can do nothing in their defense. 67.10.177.73 02:55, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you want something done about blog problems, contact Wikia's staff. 67.10.177.73 02:57, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I need to go to sleep in like 3 minutes so I'll reply to your other post tomorrow or something but PoD contacted wikia this evening (afaik) so it should be resolved soon <3 Shadowcrest 02:58, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

We don't need to disable blogs; we need to disable internet drama. Miles (talk) 03:23, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Miles: tbph, we need to disable blogs...

Shadowcrest: Yes, I contacted Wikia.

IP: I disagree - evidence would suggest that the slump that the wiki is in at the moment is not directly the fault of CHawk and/or Semi. Daily edit count has been coming down for quite a while now and there are fewer things to do round here so users leave as they feel they are no longer needed. How many users can you name who have been bullied off the wiki by CHawk and/or Semi? PenguinofDeath 14:02, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

IP, I'm presuming you are BNK. Here's a newsflash: if the wiki was actually important then users leaving would be a big deal. But it's not. It's a wiki. The content will remain preserved no matter what anybody does, and the content will remain if every user leaves. I'm not concerned about activity, because in truth, what else is there to do? And who really wants to spend hours of their life deleting or flagging crew/smasher pages? If that's your thing then go at it, but turns out that it's really dull and annoying and I don't blame anybody for not wanting to do it. I'm grateful when they do, but really, I don't give a damn about edits to character pages and trivia sections and trophies and what is more or less plaque on the actual pages people read. That's what RAN was doing in terms of "content" contributing, and when he wasn't editing talk pages pointlessly outside of that he was being a nuisance. Now, I think I know what this is really about, and it's not about the wiki. It's about you feeling spurned and angry at me/Chawk. Here's something you probably weren't expecting, but here it is: I'm sorry I was a douche to you. Half the time you didn't do anything to deserve the cruelty, but I was overly cruel on multiple occassions. I was still right most of the time I chastized you, but I didn't need to be so damn mean while making those points. But here's something else. If you feel spurned by this place then here's a life lesson: don't take it personally. It's the internet. Not real life. Real life matters, but only infrequently. The internet only matters if you make it matter. I don't bear any ill will to you, but the truth is you were a net-negative contributor. You added content, yes, but in general you caused a lot of wikidrama we didn't need. You made fusses about stuff that you should have let lie, and you acted personally affronted every time somebody said or did something nasty in your direction. I'm sorry you were emotionally injured by Smashwiki but it's time to move on. You can blame me for a decline in activity, but I'd like to see you prove it. I stopped coming here with any frequency last May. Back then the wiki was fine in terms of activity level. The truth is the activity level has gone down because there isn't anything else to write about. The game has been out for nearly 2 years and most of what can be written about it already has been. Is that so hard to believe? Semicolon (talk) 20:37, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, even I can respect the apology from Semicolon. Now that you mention it, there isn't much left to do on this wiki... Kperfekt ^{BURN!!! Revert That!} 21:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Semicolon, I accept your apology. It's just sometimes you need to chill out when dealing with idiots. Wasn't it you who said that arguing with them only brings you down to their level? when an IP visits the wiki and makes blogs about fake glitches or vandalizes pages with "I like this character!", all you need to do is realize that that person IS an idiot and leave it at that. Block him for however long you feel necessary if he continues to be a vandal. I never knew RAN was a problem until now; usually SK or Cheezperson have positive feedback about him from IRC. Things have been written, but we can still re-word it better, too. I too am sorry for being an asshat.

Penguin, I didn't mean to sound as if I blamed Semicolon and Clarinet Hawk for the loss of users. In truth, people left due to the drama + nothing being able to be done (not a lot, at least). Clarinet Hawk and Semicolon's only problems were the way they handled users... OK, how they handled idiots. Most of that involved unnecessary flaming, etc., but hopefully from now on things will change. This place can be a network used by AiB's community; Miles has helped advertise it. Really, there wasn't much wrong with how you use your powers, it was how you talked to people. Like I said, let's hope for something more positive from here on out. :) And yes, I'm BNK. 67.10.177.73 23:19, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

I certainly have to chime in on this discussion. I understand and agree with everything this user has written, including his concession. I too, concede to my obvious shortcomings as a contributor. Lastly, I appreciate Semi's blanket apology. -But that's it.

The FACT is, These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist. I've tried to come to terms with this, and I suppose I have, but the fact remains.

Semicolon, your apology is entirely neutralized by your established and direct mentality that "shit happens" and no one is to blame. In so much as you can tell others to get over it, they can also tell you off for it. The greater truth here is that: the internet, real life, and this website, ARE what PEOPLE MAKE THEM.

I know for a fact that people bitterly despise you two for your very poor manners. I can't speak for them, but I, for one, have most definitely decreased my activities on this site (which I still know has VERY much more potential) as a direct result of CHawk and Semicolon's relentless .... well, I can't even think of the word for their completely unneeded, unwanted, unappreciated, and down right unacceptable.... asshole-ness.

But I also know that what Shadowcrest has said is true: "Jerks will be jerks". These two are, through and through, jerks. -And they will never change. Therefor, it is entirely up to the rest of us to deal with them. Whether that means simply continued abuse, or justified reprimand; it's on us.

I do what I can for this site of the game I most love, which is ALL anyone can ask. Say what you will about me. I am NICE.

-Zixor (talk) 20:51, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I certainly have to chime in on this discussion. Zixor, let me give you some truth. Not every contributor contributes only valuable things, not every troll contributes only crap. A lot of the edits you made were disruptive or lacked a discernable point. I don't see decreased activity by people who made numerous edits of marginal value as a bad thing. If Platonism is real, then what I imagine in my head is the ideal, the true SmashWiki. Quoth the great philosopher Luke Skywalker 'If there's a bright center of the universe, you're on the planet that's farthest from'. Such is SmashWiki. You dig? Semicolon (talk) 23:42, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

"These two mods rule this site with a douchebag fist." Where have you been for the past six months? They hardly edit any more. The active Admins are now Shadowcrest, Smoreking, Miles and me, and we don't "rule this site with a douchebag fist". And cut out the PAs. This discussion was entirely civil, and even included two users who've been antagonizing each other for years apologize for their behavior, then you come along and start calling people jerks. I fail to see what made you think "I certainly have to chime in", and that your response was appropriate. PenguinofDeath 21:41, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I see that, as usual, my main points were disregarded. Semicolon, I do so love your "truths"; they are so educational. Especially the ones that are entirely obvious. As for my causing disruption or lacking points, I'd be quite pleased to go through each and every edit on a case by case basis, slowly trying to figure out how that could possibly be true. -Were my contributions what most would consider to be substantial? I greatly doubt it. -And if that was all that mattered in life (or, SW; as you seem to consider it a separate entity), the crap you dole out would be totally justified. I can of course assume that those people who made your standard of marginal edits were not also trolled to death by the likes of you, and so did continue to contribute. --I thought one or two PA's of my own were entirely justified (and just returned by you

It's finally getting to you, I see

The wiki is becoming self aware. Quickly, let's merge Spear Pillar with the main page or else stupidity will reign here forever lolololol Semicolon (talk) 07:08, February 15, 2010 (UTC)