Talk:Sephiroth Challenge
Hello!! I have very little idea currently how this is suppose to work, but I noticed the record listed here is a fake record. Any information regarding proper discussion format, editing of pages, evidence of the record, etc. would be appreciated! I took the time to set the record, so I figure the least I could want is the wiki listing my real one. Sorry in advance for lack of formatting knowledge! Willing to learn if necessary, although I thought it would not be.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Djf2564 (talk • contribs) 20:14, April 7, 2021 (EDT)
The simple answer is no, however I think it depends on how we're defining proof in this circumstance. I don't know how wiki pages or this wiki specifically differs from the evidence typically required of other institutions, be it general speedrun websites or the realm of scientific advancement in academia, although the trend I have observed among most, if not all, other institutions is that the generally believed theory stems from that which has the highest amount of valid evidence.
To side tangent a moment, according to philosopher David Hume, it is in fact impossible to conclusively prove anything in the realm of cause and effect. An example demonstrating this is the thought experiment involving dropping a pencil repeatedly throughout one's lifetime, and doing practically nothing else at all. Although it always falls to the floor, one from those observations alone has neither proven gravity nor expunged the possibility of it inexplicably levitating on some drop from one's hand in the future.
Given that, I will assume proof in this instance means evidence and argumentation that leads one past any reasonable doubt.
Firstly, the record I have video evidence for seems to not only be the record, but the highest record possible to set. I do not believe anyone has conceived of a way in which to kill Sephiroth (or anyone in a 1 stock to 1 stock match in Ultimate) faster than Hero instantly top-decking whack and it one-shotting Sephiroth. The fastest second method seems to be similar, with him using Thwack, and it making contact with Sephiroth the moment the move becomes active on frame 23. Having had this occur twice and result in a score of 1.78 both times, along with another seemingly valid account of the same occurrence resulting in the exact same score, I believe it to be the fastest score with this method. Perhaps there is wiggle room here, although going into the details of such are unimportant to the discussion I'd say.
By observing the video I uploaded frame by frame, it appears that Sephiroth is hit by Whack at the first possible moment, the frame the move is active, on frame 6 of its activation. This leads me to believe, unless there is a faster method, this is the fastest possible time with the method of quickly top-decking whack with Hero (and having Sephiroth charge directly into it). The wiggle room I see here involves A. Not pressing down-B the first frame of the match, B. Not selecting "Whack" on the first possible frame, and C. Sephiroth not being hit by the move the moment it becomes active on frame 6. All of these seem doubtful for various reasons. 1. I'm a pretty good masher, toping speeds of roughly 25 A presses per second. For both A and B here, I see the likelihood of not hitting the first available frame low, although very possible. The chances of missing two frames is subsequently more unlikely. Furthermore, looking closely at the video I've uploaded, it seems not to be the case either frame was missed based on the timer in the top right corresponding frame by frame to when Hero begins to change animations, and by the fact he doesn't visibly crouch (If frames are missed, he will crouch because crouch is being buffered by holding down in order to use Command Selection, his down-B).
Even with all that is mentioned above, I'd be willing to talk about whether this time can be improved. I'm highly doubtful, but I do not neglect the possibility.
What I do neglect is the possibility of the time recorded here originally being a legitimate record.
In the first place, the person specified on Twitter that the method they used was in fact the lucky Hero Whack method, the same one I used. Although it may be possible to improve my time, I see absolutely nowhere near enough wiggle room to save anywhere near enough frames for a jump from a time of 1.50 seconds to 0.80. If it were 1.47, this point would warrant some further discussion. Even in that case though:
There is a lack of video evidence, and only a picture is provided. I understand the evidence of the record is typically placed on the one who set it, and there is not enough evidence it is not simply photo shopped. Lastly, if a picture is indeed what is ultimately decided upon to be the threshold for the amount of evidence required, I am to understand I would still be here as the record listed would still be the wrong one; there are at least three users on Twitter who have managed to achieved a truly astounding perfect record of 0.00 seconds! I think that's impressive enough to warrant them being here instead of the one previously listed! I don't know perfectly how the in game timer works, but maybe even that's not perfect and it can register negative times!
In conclusion, I'm as sure as I can be about anything in life that the record previously listed here is not the correct record. Whether the record that belongs here is 1.50 from me or 0.00 from someone else, I'd say the 1.50 has the superior evidence to warrant it, and not only because I am the person who happened to set it.
Sorry for the essay, but I expected this to be a super simple edit and upon discovering it's a bit more complicated I wanted to make sure as well as I could it wouldn't be drawn out, so I covered my bases as well as I think I have to.
TL;DR I have a lot of evidence 1.50 is right, and regardless of that, 0.80 has just as much evidence as somebody else on Twitter with 0.00. I'd like to have the time I took the time to set listed on the wiki is all really.
