User talk:Aidanzapunk/List of non-gaming media representation

Homestuck

If the Kirby anime and Strawberry Flower are listed under "Minor representation" due to not having any major representation, then shouldn't Homestuck be under that category too, since it's only represented with a music track? In fact, shouldn't Dracula be in the "Universes" section instead since the character himself does appear as a boss in Ultimate (a FAR larger role than just a song)? SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 18:00, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

To be honest, I only put Dracula in the "Minor representation" list because I wasn't sure whether it would be considered major or minor. As for lack of consistency in songs, note that Disaster Flare was the one who gave Homestuck a full entry, while Serena Strawberry added Kirby and Strawberry Flower to the minor list. Essentially, the current lack of consistency just boils down to different users simultaneously editing this draft. We'll just have to iron that out before publishing the article by formally deciding what constitutes "major" representation. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:08, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

Ye, I intend to iron this out down the road once we know what exactly should and shouldn't be listed. It'd be difficult constantly trying to sort it when everyone's adding to it at once. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:55, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

Ah, yeah, I put Strawberry Flower and the Kirby anime under there because I thought—from my perspective anyway—anything that's derived from a video game universe would go down there, while original content like Homestuck would go up top. I think Strawberry Flower makes more sense as its own section, though, you're right. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 20:23, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Mythology

I brought up this question in my edit summary, but I figured I'd also raise it here on the talk page where it's more likely to spark discussion. Should mythology be listed in this article? We have references to Greek mythology (most of Kid Icarus, the Medusa Head from Castlevania) and Norse mythology (Odin from Final Fantasy), plus more that I'm probably forgetting. I guess mythology can be considered a form of "media" in the same vein as literature, but I'm not sure if it meets the criteria for this page. --PeabodySam (talk) 19:08, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

I personally think mythology is worth a mention, but that's just me. Disaster Flare (talk) 21:55, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

Yume Kōjō '87

Since Yume Kōjō '87 (an event held by Fuji TV) technically has representation in the form of the Super Mario USA/Bros. 2 stuff (Bob-omb, the Grass item, Mushroom Kingdom II stage, what have you), would it count here? SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 23:35, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

I'm honestly not sure. If I remember correctly, the original main cast (who were replaced by Mario characters in Super Mario Bros. 2) were all licensed characters from Yume Kōjō '87, but everything else (the world, items, enemies, music, etc.) was an original product by Nintendo without any basis in Yume Kōjō '87 canon. So, does it matter that nothing original to Yume Kōjō '87 itself is represented in Smash, or do we simply consider Doki Doki Panic part of the Yume Kōjō '87 media?

A similar question would be about James Bond. The GoldenEye universe, as defined by SmashWiki, is about the N64 game where the Proximity Mine originated from, but that in turn is a licensed game from the James Bond franchise. So, even if the Proximity Mine was originally created by Rare for GoldenEye 007, does its James Bond roots merit mention here?

In both cases, I lean towards "yes, we should mention Yume Kōjō '87/James Bond in this article", but I'm curious to see if anyone will disagree. --PeabodySam (talk) 23:52, April 20, 2020 (EDT)

I also forgot to mention this one: Napoleon Bonaparte, who is the basis of the Game Boy Advance game Napoleon, which has one of its characters appear as a spirit in Ultimate. Considering how the other pieces of media mentioned here are entirely fictional (literature, film, mythos, even music bands), would it be too much of a stretch to add a real person here? SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 00:01, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Considering Dracula was also based on a real person, I wouldn't call it a stretch to add Bonaparte on here. Aidan, the Rurouni 00:51, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Splitting anime adaptation from everything else

I think everyone can see there is a clear difference between the Pokémon anime and Bram Stoker's Dracula. The first is a licensed adaptation of a videogame, the second is a novel written in the XIX century that is now public domain. I think we should make a separate section for anime/cartoon/comic adaptations of video games, and one for public domain literature or mythology. --Rdrfc (talk) 07:04, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. SuperSmashTurtles of the Turtle Tribe 07:24, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

I agree with splitting adaptations (be they anime or whatever else comes up) into their own section. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 20:23, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

Megalovania

Would Homestuck actually count as a representation considering Megalovania didn't actually originate from there? While the name of the song did, the actual song itself originated from EarthBound: The Halloween Hack under the name Dr. Andonuts's Rage. OmegαToαd64 • the Best Kαrter 23:15, April 21, 2020 (EDT)

I would count both personally, I just don't really know how to implement the hack. Disaster Flare (talk) 02:19, April 22, 2020 (EDT)

South Park Bad time

Was that phrase first heard in South Park and did Sakurai intend to reference that show when referencing the line for Toon Link’s down air tip? (I know it predates Sans) 174.55.24.64 00:44, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

You've already been told off about this on about three different talk pages now. Drop it or you will be blocked for disruption. Disaster Flare (talk) 00:48, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

(edit conflict) Like OmegaToad64 told you, South Park is well-known for its mature humor and thus Nintendo would most not likely reference it. Awesomelink234, the Super Cool Gamer (talk) 00:49, April 24, 2020 (EDT)

Megalovania name origin

I decided to go looking for a conclusive source for the claim that the "Megalovania" name originated from Homestuck, and I stumbled upon Toby Fox's "Making Of" of the Halloween Hack (you can find it here). Taking a look at it, he does comment on his process of making the track, starting with:

Megalovania - This is it, the final boss theme. [...]

This mention of the name dates back to at least November 2008, 5 months before the creation of Homestuck, meaning that it cannot be credited for the creation of the name, and would have to be removed from the page. Nokii — 00:44, April 24, 2020 (EDT)