User talk:Rocket1908

Incineroar/Infernape

You aren't listening. You clearly didn't read what I wrote on Talk:Alternate costume (SSBU). Since you insist on edit warring even after I told you to stop, allow me to copy/paste on your talk page what I have written previously, to make sure you read it this time:

Allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment. Captain Falcon's third costume is based on Blood Falcon, but Blood Falcon doesn't have bright purple gloves/helmet/boots or a lime green scarf. Link's fourth costume is based on Fierce Deity, but Fierce Deity's tunic/hat are a much, much lighter shade of blue compared to the costume's dark teal. Samus's third costume is based on the Gravity Suit from Super Metroid, but the suit doesn't have a blue visor in that game.

My point? Alternate costumes are rarely 1:1 with their source of inspiration. So, if Incineroar's color palette features an orange that is a bit too bright or a gray that isn't quite the right shade, that's not enough to immediately disqualify it. Looking at the overall costume (especially now that we can see that the feet are also colored dark blue, and keep in mind that this is the only Incineroar alt where the hands and feet are colored differently from the arms and legs; that's pretty significant) it still seems to me that the overall color composition resembles Infernape just a bit too much to dismiss it as a mere coincidence. It's not just what colors are used; it's how they are used.

TL;DR version: It's very rare for alternate costumes to have the exact same color as their sources. The three that I mentioned (Blood Falcon, Fierce Deity, and Super Metroid Gravity Suit) are ones that we know for a fact (i.e. confirmed by Sakurai in prior games) are based upon things that they don't exactly match. If that's the case, then we know from Sakurai himself that an alternate costume just needs to be "close enough", not exactly 1:1 with the original. That doesn't mean "anything goes"; that means "close enough".

Incineroar's orange is brighter than Infernape's brown, and Incineroar's gray is slightly darker than Infernape's white. That is true. But at a quick cursory glance, they look just similar enough, just close enough, that it's not the "end of discussion" that you keep making it out to be. If you can look past that, then the resemblance (that's why we say it "resembles Infernape", not it "perfectly matches Infernape") in the color composition is unmistakably clear, right down to the differently-colored hands and feet. You'd have to be willfully ignorant to ignore it. --PeabodySam (talk) 20:55, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Pretty big difference between the colour of an accessory or a slightly different shade VS orange instead of brown. By your logic, because all 4 colours on the skin are present on Scrafty in similar places (red on the head, orange and yellow body, grey on the head and belly) then the navy blue hands don't matter and the skin is Scrafty. Every skin you mentioned at least had the same primary colours, unlike the alleged Incineroar/Infernape which is, as previously said, orange and not brown. Big difference. So your comparison isn't really equivalent, especially considering that Sakurai hasn't even confirmed the origin of the skin.

Rocket1908 (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Reminder: There is a policy in place that prohibits multiple reversions of the same edit. Please refrain from reverting or repeating an edit that has already been undone. Instead, bring the subject up on the article's associated talk page.

Please stop undoing the edits. It is edit warring, please give the policy page a read. Also if you want it in, instead of reverting please discuss the issue on the talk page. Corrin Fan 21:08, 11 December 2018 (EST)

We have discussed this multiple times on the discussion page, and it's obvious that their supposed resemblance is wrong. Why it's allowed to stay up is beyond me. Rocket1908 (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2018 (EST)

From what I have read, you're the only one who disagrees, while the vast majority agrees it's Infernape. Even, if all of a sudden, Sakurai says it's not, you are still violating SW:1RV. Please stop reverting edits. SugarCookie420 (talk) 21:18, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Also, watch the personal attacks. SugarCookie420 (talk) 21:19, 11 December 2018 (EST)

"you are the only one" Did you miss the part where three people reversed it and only two people have supported it? Rocket1908 (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Potentially, yes. But that doesn't mean you can just revert it back, especially when warned not to, and as I just said on the talk page, since we haven't reached a consensus yet on the change, the Infernape topic should stay. Just because three other people reversed it does not mean you should. SugarCookie420 (talk) 21:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Why should it stay if it's inconclusive? If there isn't a consensus it should be blank. Rocket1908 (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2018 (EST)