Talk:List of rumors/Archive 1

It says the most famous cheat is Sonic and Tails in Brawl. But it also says the most famous cheat is Sonic and Tails in Melee. The Brawl one is incorrect and should be changed. Smash Bros is Best 21:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I like this page! Zmario 15:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Why is this here?We dont need it.Krakash 15:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I just thought it would be a cool page. I believes it informs people about fake cheats. Zmario 17:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I honestly don't see the need for it being here. It shows very little notability. (Wolf O'Donnell (talk · contributions) 17:32, 29 June 2008 (UTC))

This page is-a useless

Strong Delete: I'm with Semicolon on this one. The rumors are simply opinions and aren't even important anymoar! Also, the Sonic and Tails rumors were april fools jokes as well as Toad. To use the master hand in SSB, one would need an action replay! That's what I need to say on teh subject. Anyone agree? Blue Ninjakoopa ^{Talk to me} 22:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral. Well, not many of these subjects are known to people. Besides, the Sonic and Tails rumor is already in the Sonic the Hedgehog universe article. MarioGalaxy {talk} 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Leaning Torwards Keep. I've known the Sonic & Tails rumor for a while now. I'd say it's worth having an article (along with a few more), but I'm against Master Hand in SSB. Although I've heard of the Toad Rumor somewhere before. - Doggy Guy (talk) 23:12, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep It's a history of stuff that's happened. We should preserve history and stuff. annoying1359 (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep: QFE. Silverdragon706/FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 00:10, 20 October 2008 (UT

Keep: This page is really good. I know a few of these rumors. Solar flute (talk)

Keep: This page is hardly useless. What would be useless is individual articles on each rumor, but put together they make a valid page. Also, why does the page have the archive tag on it? Baltro [ talk ] 04:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Personally I think that this page is quite interesting, and I don't think it should be deleted. But thats just my opinion. --MysteryHeff ^TALK 11:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Keep: This page is very useful. Would you like to see someone put up a page, say, about Toad, how he is a "Secret Character", and how to unlock him? Then some sensible person would come along, delete the page or change it to say he was a rumor in Melee, and he is NOT in the game. An edit war would soon ensue. This page cuts down the spam and edit wars.--68.117.179.164 00:29, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

Don't reply to discussions over four years old. Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 00:30, 24 June 2013 (EDT)

Verifications and notability

Most of this page needs to be re-verified. I haven't heard of a few of these at all. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 01:14, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Cameos?

The faces in the clouds might be the faces of all the characters in Melee but not in Brawl. Some people think Mewtwo's face is in the clouds so it could be a possibility.Tuth (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

yet more rumors

I found this on another wiki. It might be useful for some more obscure rumors. HYLIAN FURY (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know its photoshopped. HYLIAN FURY (talk) 22:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The left one looks vaguely like the head, and the right one looks like the body and head looking to the side

Cameos Yes!

I watched the scene over and over and finally found Mewtwo's face. I'm gonna post a pic here that I'm gonna take and you guys tell me what you think!!!--DarkBrawler ^{I am Victorious!} 10:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Here! I got it. --DarkBrawler ^{I am Victorious!} 10:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I think I found Ganondorf. You can make out his nose, right eye, hair and beard. It looks like Ganondorf's head as seen from his right. Penguin of Death 11:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

lol that's creative. It does look like Ganondorf. What do you think about Mewtwo though? --DarkBrawler ^{I am Victorious!} 11:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Uh, Hello! I was talking! HYLIAN FURY (talk) 18:06, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

When exactly were you talking, Hylian Fury? And what were you talking about? How very confusing...

@Dark Brawler: I dunno about the Mewtwo picture. The cloud shaped like his head is too vague for me to really be sure that it was intended by the programmers, and I can't make out the cloud shaped like his whole body. I think a bigger picture would help. Penguin of Death 21:56, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Geno

I know I'll regret saying this but why not add a section on Geno detailing how people think he wasn't added because of Square, those hacks on YouTube that make him a toggle on the Random button, and how the rumor might also tie to the cutting of Beware the Forest Mushrooms. --RoyboyX (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

The rumors on Geno possibly appearing in Brawl have already been mentioned here. Toa 95 (talk)

I know, but there's more depth to them than there is Mega Man. People think that Nintendo might have asked Square to let them use Geno, but they weren't allowed and so they might have scrapped Beware the Forest Mushrooms because of that. --RoyboyX (talk) 22:00, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

If you want to edit something, go for it. Someone will undo it or change it if they think it is wrong. ƋoӄԏoяΠɛəи99 _{ROLLBACKER} 22:01, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Problem, you're suggesting us to add speculation, which this Wiki does not allow. Omega Tyrant 10:06, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

I have another idea for the article: what if we add some small template that is just a sentence in red or green saying that "this rumor was proven false/true." and maybe blue on "this rumor is unverified." --RoyboyX (talk) 11:05, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

Article name

I propose moving this back to List of rumors because much of the content focuses on rumors which turn out to be false. Sonic being playable in Melee is a rumor, not a fact because he is not playable in Melee. Unlocking Master Hand and Metal Mario without hacking in SSB is also untrue. For similar reasons, this article should also not be named List of little known secrets. Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 20:22, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

For reference, this article was originally called "List of Rumors", but was moved to its current location "List of miscellaneous facts" as a small April Fool's joke. ~~It's being moved back right now.~~ Its been moved. Move along now. --- Rei Demon, Author Extraordinaire, 20:51, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Is this a tradition here? Or is this the first time we've pulled this prank? Mousehunter321 (talk · contributions) 20:57, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

It has been done in the past. Omega Tyrant 21:02, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Lol APRIL FOOLS!

I had to say that. Mr. Anon talk 21:31, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

US/UK spelling rule

How does it go? I made an edit earlier changing 'rumour' to 'rumor', but then I came to realize that such an shuns the editor who placed the information there to begin with and reverted myself. There are Wikipedia articles that have US and UK spelling variants co-exist (that is relevant since we, like most wikis, follow Wikipedia as an example in some ways), so should it be a general rule for them to be allowed on the same article? Or should only one variant of the word be used throughout the entire article? Discuss. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 14:25, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

Since the title here uses the US spelling, it's only consistency for the section titles to be US spelling as well. Omega Tyrant 14:32, 28 May 2012 (EDT)

2 out of 3

Just want to point out, perhaps the Tweet count being stuck at 8,807 is the result of lagging in the Twitter database. Not saying this proves the rumor true or anything. --RoyboyX Talk 16:29, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

True, but fetching a single number based on a single property (in this case, the user in question) is one of the cheaper database operations and is unlikely to be laggy. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 17:51, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

Well, if it was, which is VERY unlikely, true and that it was lag, 2 out of 3 probably meant 2 of the 3 he wants in it ARE NOT going to be in the game, since Mega Man WAS confirmed to be in it.MegaMCAlly (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

The roster is far from being fully revealed, that is purely speculative.

Also don't use ALL CAPS, the bold is enough. Omega Tyrant 18:25, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

Namco Employee rumor.

This was a single "Prophet" on Gamefaqs, not a rumor. One topic does not make a rumor and it's especially not a rumor when nobody believed the person in the first place. --71.55.139.1 02:38, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

Go ahead and get rid of it if you want, it was added by one guy who added it as his first edit. Air Conditioner 25 or 6 to 4! 14:55, 19 March 2013 (EDT)

I've tried but someone keeps re-adding it so I had to take it to the talk section. --71.55.139.1 00:33, 20 March 2013 (EDT)

I think it belongs on here. It's no different from any other rumor on this page. But, before I re-add it, I want to see what some others have to say. Chuck Norris 17:16, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

No one's responded and since there is no real reason to remove it, I am re-adding it. Chuck Norris 15:54, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

One guy claiming to work for Namco doesn't do a rumour, it's far from the very definition. Also, the fact that one thing he 'leaked' so far turned out to be correct is irrelevant; I can do the same thing. I'm a psychic and I can prove it: I sense that you've been going to school, know someone who has a pet, and it even appears you have a history of playing video games. Am I spooky, or what? - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 16:23, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

The majority of the rumors on this page are just people claiming they know information about an SSB game. I don't see how this is any different from the others. Chuck Norris 17:16, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

A rumour constitutes a somewhat widespread, unconfirmed claim. Thus, one person appearing out of nowhere making these claims does not make a rumour, no matter to what degree he pretends to be a Namco employee. - Ceci n’est pas un Smiddle. 17:41, 7 June 2013 (EDT)

Chuck, for this to be covered here, the rumor has to be widespread, and not be restricted to a single thread on a single site. Stop readding it to the article, unless you can show us that this was prevalent elsewhere. Omega Tyrant 03:09, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

I did a quick Google search. It's been covered on Mind of the Geek.com, It's been mentioned on ign message boards, Latinos post.com, Smash Boards, and many others. I'd say it's widespread enough to be on here. Chuck Norris 08:38, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Links? Omega Tyrant 13:59, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

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Alright, the rumor is legit and will be readded. Omega Tyrant 15:10, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

With the reveal of the Mario Glaxy stage and the Starship Mario being a background element I think we can call this rumour busted. 109.148.204.135 17:39, 30 November 2013 (EST)

So this Lucina rumor

Was it actually spread outside uber's AiB blog? Omega Tyrant 16:01, 26 June 2013 (EDT)

I haven't seen much that says so, so yeah it may not be notable enough to include. I do however feel that it provides a good benchmark as to how elaborate future rumours may be, and perhaps the level of elaboration itself may be notable enough if we don't see too many other such rumours. Toomai Glittershine The Pan-Galactic 17:19, 26 June 2013 (EDT)

i hate to say again but...

i hope they add mii. BUT THIS TIME NOT A RUMOR...because it was rumor last time..%1 chance of rumors being true --If you annoy igor the mii. you are killed by PK Starstorm! (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

Ness and Jigglypuff

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Here's a few I could find. Earthbound Central is probably the most well known news site to cover it. Chuck Norris 17:03, 5 December 2013 (EST)

It did become quite a thing, but it was proved fake rather quickly and easily, so it stuck around for a short time. That's why I'm not sure about it being notable enough to go on this page, though I could be wrong. Scr7 (talk · contribs) 18:28, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Clone line

It fully does make sense, you are reading it wrong. The line stated Brawl had significantly less cloning than Melee, as the rumor insinuated it would, not that Brawl had "less cloning than the rumor". Omega Tyrant 18:26, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Okay I'll reword it then. Toomai Glittershine The Free 20:43, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Reggie Rumor

I seriously think we should mention the Reggie thingy on this page. Un-User 72.106.155.237 14:29, 27 January 2014 (EST)

It's not a rumour, it's just a bunch of fans raising a ruckus. Toomai Glittershine The Researcher 15:12, 27 January 2014 (EST)

And Miyamoto said...

Putting this here because i can't believe it (unless well proven)[17] People really want this game to come out in late December. 93.105.60.106 11:38, 1 February 2014 (EST)

By year's end only implies that SSB4 won't be delayed like SSBB was and will certainly be released by at least the end of the year. Mega Tron1 XD 12:33, 1 February 2014 (EST)

2 out of 3 thought

This article states that the 2 out of 3 rumor was "proven false". But what if Isaac from Golden Sun actually appears as playable and Geno not? Or even Vice Versa? Then the rumor would be true! So technically, the rumor isn't proven or disproven true. (Un-User)75.141.44.196 15:24, 3 February 2014 (EST)

Even if what the rumour claims turns out to be true, the rumour itself is false because what it claims to have occurred (Sakurai making a tweet and retracting it) was proven to have never happened. Toomai Glittershine Le Grand Fromage 15:47, 3 February 2014 (EST)

Oh, okay! :) (Un-User)72.105.73.192 15:24, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Quick Question about Falco

Where did that image come from? Sure looks real to me. If he comes in and has that artwork, than it's true, right? (Un-User)72.105.73.192 15:24, 4 February 2014 (EST)

He isn't there, which means it's lie. It was also a popular lie, therefor it's a rumor. Even if he comes in with that artwork, by some strange coincidence, he wasn't there, on the Japanese site, so it's a lie - a popular lie. Which means it's a rumor. --72.53.134.85 21:44, 5 February 2014 (EST)

Halibuton

Umm, hasn't the dumb "Halibuton" rumor been proven false? I mean, the 6TH anniversary of Brawl has come and gone, with no Nintendo direct anywhere! 72.106.157.47 16:01, 6 February 2014 (EST)

In the future, refrain from complaining about outdated elements on the articles and instead edit the relevant information yourself, or tack an {{outdated}} template on them.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:10, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Pac-Man

Where did that Pac-Man picture come from? We need to mention where in this page. (Un-User)72.106.144.135 13:40, 8 February 2014 (EST)

Re Monsieur Crow

First off, welcome back. Second, I suggest we have Lucina, Falco, Pac-Man and Palutena share a section, so like Leaked(?) Characters. RoyboyX Talk 18:29, 8 February 2014 (EST)

I see you, RoyboyX.

My main concern with the article isn't that the article is becoming disorganised (on the contrary, I'd argue that a game-by-game model is probably the neatest we can accomplish), but rather, that the article is going to become too SSB4-heavy; the section already contains nine different rumours while the game is still in development, whereas in the eight years since Brawl's announcement, we also have nine. In the coming months, there's obviously going to be even more rumours, making things only more chaotic in the section.

I'm thinking that we might have to find a way to distinguish between "notable" and "non-notable" rumours, but I can't think of a way to do so that would prevent this article from either shrinking or doing nothing. I considered splitting this article much like our old Beta elements article, but the 64 and Melee sections would have too little to stand on their own in that regard.

That's all.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 20:10, 8 February 2014 (EST)

NeoGAF Leak

On January 15th, 2014, a leak was posted consisting information such as Chrom, Ridley, and Pac Man's inclusion and other info. Should we have that? Here is the link incase anybody wants to see it.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=97190399&postcount=7815

Seconding this, can someone investigate? DJLO (talk) 10:48, 14 February 2014 (EST)

Ganondorf's voice

On Takashi Nagasako's Super Mario Wiki page, it states he voices both DK and Ganondorf in SSB4. Should we add that here? 72.105.2.224 15:30, 25 February 2014 (EST)

No, any user there could have just stated that and had no one revert them. Omega Tyrant 19:48, 25 February 2014 (EST)

He/she may have a point though. How do we know that Takashi himself didn't state this? We might as well mention it here. (Un-User)72.105.79.5 16:38, 26 February 2014 (EST)

"How do we know that Takashi himself didn't state this?"

This is just dumb. If the guy said anything anywhere about it, then it can be sourced. You have no such source, thus as far as everyone sees, he never stated such. And a random statement on a Wiki added by a random user (that should have been reverted already) does not at all constitute a "notable rumor". This page is not for every little thing that pops up everywhere, it's only for rumors that are particularly widespread or have some other notable trait to them. Omega Tyrant 23:30, 26 February 2014 (EST)

What about that Lucina rumor that was on AllIsBrawl and ONLY AllIsBrawl? 72.106.152.37 13:20, 28 February 2014 (EST)

It's notable for being the first known SSB4 rumour to showcase how elaborate Brawl hacks can be used to create rumours. Toomai Glittershine The Zesty 13:23, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Lucina wasn't a Brawl hack! 72.106.152.37 13:39, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Firstly, yes it is a hack, take note of the links given on the page. Secondly, don't edit other people's comments. Toomai Glittershine The Spectrum 13:42, 28 February 2014 (EST)

I didn't edit your comment! How dare you accuse me of this! 72.106.152.37 13:43, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Voice Actors

Not confirming anything 100% but according to IMDb, a list of voice actors have been unveiled. Such as Jim Walker as Fox, Antony Del Rio (Kid Icarus: Uprising) as Pit, Jessica Martin as Samus Aran, etc. Should we confirm this or something among those lines?

PS: In Sonic's SSB4 trailer, I hear Roger Craig Smith's voice.

"IMDB, however, allows anyone to contribute content"

And see what I said above regarding stuff listed on Wikis.

Also remember to sign your comments with four tildes ~~~~. Omega Tyrant 08:43, 27 February 2014 (EST)

How could you forget the rumor of that Revelation Evil voice? It was listed on IGN! What is a tilde?

IGN and IMDB are NOT reliable sources. We should get confirmation from much more websites. And, a tilde is ~, right next to "1" on the keyboard.

Green Mario 16:27, 28 February 2014 (EST)

Oh, thank you! I agree about that though. I believe the voices will appear however. 72.105.78.197 14:22, 2 March 2014 (EST)

Regarding a rumor proven true kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

This is directed to Monsieur Crow, and only Monsieur Crow. You know that Lucas and Ness thing? Well, that was actually not very wide-spread, and then proven true. I think that this "rumor" isn't worth enough to mention here. I think it would make more sense to, instead, mention this on Ness' Melee page and Lucas' character page. 75.141.44.196 16:07, 14 March 2014 (EDT)

If memory serves, this guy worked on the bulk of that section, with me only making a few grammatical edits (if any at all). That said, I believe the rumour began its spread with the reveal of Lucas in Brawl, and it has seen some revival due to speculation over SSB4's unrevealed roster, thus making this a notable rumour. Also, the fact that the rumour was eventually proven true doesn't change the fact that it started as a rumour.

Outside of this, Lucas's page on the Wiki already mentions the rumour, but Ness's doesn't. I see no problems with including this bit on the aforementioned page, though. Be bold.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:09, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

Black Mage

There's a rumor going around that a Black Mage screenshot has been leaked. It is a fake to me. Here's where the rumor began. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIC6FDy2fU. Also, I've found some "leaked" screenshots about Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles and Mewtwo. --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 09:50, 18 March 2014 (EDT)

While it is interesting to see the variety of faked character reveal images, none of your aforementioned rumours have significant enough spread to warrant mentioning on this article. In general, we want to see some significant spread for rumours (i.e. appearances in notable newssites, significant discussion on forums like SWF, etc.) before they're placed on the page; alternatively, they could have some form of "uniqueness" that helps them be diffrentiated from other rumours (such as the Lucina hoax, which showed that Brawl hacks can be used to manufacture rumours).

That's all.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 18:09, 19 March 2014 (EDT)

"E-Reader Leak"

Apparently someone "leaked" a bonus disc along with E-Reader cards that were supposed to unlock new characters. These cards were "meant to appear" at some sort of con Nintendo was going to. The character that was "unlocked" was Leon Kennedy. However, some SmashBoards users appear to have debunked it, but this isn't completely understood. Should this be in the main article or should we wait a little longer and see what happens? Link: http://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-bros-4-wii-u-3ds-topic-2-0.347937/page-248 24.99.96.92 08:16, 26 March 2014 (EDT)

While this is an interesting rumor, it doesn't seem to have any notable spread associated with it, especially since the discussion about it seems to peter out at the end of the page it's posted on.

If it starts making it rounds on other sites like AiB or is even covered by gaming websites, however, those could be grounds to include it on the article.

--- Monsieur Crow, Author Extraordinaire, 12:36, 26 March 2014 (EDT)

Super Smash Bros. 6 Rumor

Before the SSB4 Direct aired, a rumor surrounded Namco Bandai that they were hiring developers for Super Smash Bros. 6 (that is set for a release in 2015). What do you guys think? --Mr.Santana Lopez (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sounds like nonsense to me. This is the fourth iteration of Smash Bros., not the fifth. Why bother calling it Super Smash Bros. 6? --EpicWendigo (talk) 19:18, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Sakurai has called these games the "fourth and fifth" iterations of Smash Bros on multiple occassion. Still, I doubt theyd start on the next one so soon. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 20:40, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

That makes no sense. --EpicWendigo (talk) 20:44, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Too soon to release a new Smash Bros. game and they're traditionally made when a new Nintendo home console is released. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 20:46, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

You make a good point, ZeldaStarfoxfan. To me, this has to be the most poorly-timed rumors ever. --EpicWendigo (talk) 21:01, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

Raiden

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Notable enough to add? Omega Tyrant 22:28, 9 April 2014 (EDT)