Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

Joker (SSBU)/Forward tilt

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Revision as of 18:40, August 5, 2022 by DrakRoar (talk | contribs) (Looks much cleaner this way. Also Joker and Arsene's hits have always been able to connect on the same frame; that's how hitboxes with different part numbers work, and ftilt is no exception)
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Joker forward tilt hitbox visualization
JokerFTiltUp.gif JokerFTiltUpArsene.gif
JokerFTilt.gif JokerFTiltArsene.gif
JokerFTiltDown.gif JokerFTiltDownArsene.gif

OverviewEdit

Joker's forward tilt is a very powerful, two hit spacing tool. It has extremely long range, most notably outranging Lucina's forward tilt. Given it's also frame 8, it can be used in neutral against reckless approaches to force the opponent to use other options. Forward tilt can be angled as well, allowing for a high degree of flexibility in its uses (such as the upward angle beating numerous short hop approaches). Given this uses Joker's knife, the disjoint is decently large as well. As a result, forward tilt is often used defensively.

With Arsene active, forward tilt gains a larger disjoint along with a slightly lingering hitbox, improving its utility when it comes to stopping approaches. It also becomes slightly stronger, with +15 base Knockback and +1 Knockback Growth, and added damage from Arsene. Given the base knockback gets the highest increase, this means that the move will send opponents further away at lower percentages, allowing it to further be used as a defensive option. In addition, there is a shieldstun multiplier of 2 applied to the second hit, improving its safety on shield slightly. Given the way Arsene works, if Joker hits on Frame 19, Arsene will connect on Frame 20, effectively giving the hitboxes a slight extension.

All of forward tilt's angles also have different knockback stats. Angled up has a substantial increase (+15 - +18) compared to the other two, although with an angle of 45. It is most optimal to angle forward tilt downwards when it comes to going for the KO; especially with Arsene. This is because downward angled forward tilt also has a knockback angle of 25, which is a solid semi-spike angle for gimping if the player is facing characters like Little Mac. This angle is also substantially harder to DI than the others.

On shield, forward tilt remains the same regardless of angle: -22 on Hit 1, and -15 on Hit 2[1]. While this sounds unsafe, Hit 2's formidable range makes it very safe when spaced correctly. In addition, Arsene makes it just -11, with very few characters being able to punish it without Joker being able to respond. As a result, this move can be used in neutral as a niche shield pressure option while Arsene is around.

In terms of safety on hit, the safest version is the angled up one, being +6 at 0%[2]. However, the low angled variant KOs the earliest, although the advantage becomes more consistent at around 125% (+19 Unangled, +21 Up, +18 Low on Mario). If a Joker player wishes to go for maximum hit advantage, starting with the up angled variant and gradually moving to the lower angled one is a viable strategy to make use of.

HitboxesEdit

Angled upEdit

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 10   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 25   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (without Arsene)
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 45 128 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (with Arsene)
0 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 121 0   4.0 knife 0.0 3.5 to 4.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
1 1 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 121 0   4.0 knife 0.0 3.5 to 4.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All            

Angled forwardEdit

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (without Arsene)
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 45 110 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (with Arsene)
1 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 3.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
0 1 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 3.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All            

Angled downEdit

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless Shieldstun
Hit 1
1 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 10   2.5 knife 0.0 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
2 0 0 3.0% 0   Forward 0 100 20   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (without Arsene)
2 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 45 105 0   2.5 knife 0.0 -3.0 to 4.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
Hit 2 (with Arsene)
1 0 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 2.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Slash   All All            
0 1 0 5.0% 0   Forward 60 106 0   4.0 knife 0.0 0.5 to 2.5 0.0 1.7× 1.0× 0%               Fire   All All            

TimingEdit

Hit 1 8-9
Hit 2 (without Arsene) 13-15
Hit 2 (with Arsene) 13-19
Interruptible 35
Animation length 79
Without Arsene                                                                                                                                                               
With Arsene                                                                                                                                                               
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