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Compendium

While editing the Genesis 3 page I noticed the wiki has no page explaining what's a compendium in the current context of eSports events. The Big House did it, now Genesis did it and I'm pretty sure EVO will do it. Maybe it's time for the wiki to have a page explaining what a "Smash Tournament Community Compendium" is, specially if this becomes a trend. PFFP (talk) 22:41, 24 December 2015 (EST)

Palu Palu

The problem with the guy that added Lloyd to the notable players section is that I had undid it already. Which means he wanted (possibly?) to start an edit war. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 16:25, 25 December 2015 (EST)

Speaking of notable players, Psyche is by no means notable. I've seen his results in Smashboards, and his results are on par with Prince Ramen. Your opinions? -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 17:02, 27 December 2015 (EST)

…you don't talk a lot, do you? -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 17:55, 28 December 2015 (EST)

Haha, I've just been kinda taking a break from the wiki lately, so I haven't been on as much. I try to check out my talk page still, though. My opinion about the whole "Palutena notable players" situation is that people are either trying to add themselves or are trying to fill up the rather vacant section for notable players (in both cases, this is generally discouraged). I also can't find any notable results for "Lloyd" or "Psyche", either. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 12:16, 29 December 2015 (EST)

If you'd like, I can help you with finding players that are not notable. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 16:14, 29 December 2015 (EST)

That would be fine with me! Searching up results can be tiring for any user, so more help is always welcome. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:27, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Then I'll do what I can. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 18:37, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Someone added CaptainChreest to the list and I must say: I think he has finally earned a placing there. I also added El_Pitikla, a known Palu main from Spain, tío (even though she's still poorly regarded there as well, he's her best player in Europe and ranked the 9h best player in Spain). Your opinions? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 22:59, 11 January 2016 (EST)

I agree with those picks after looking up some results. :P PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 23:42, 11 January 2016 (EST)

Alright! Thank you very much sir (don't take the sir too literal lol). -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 23:46, 11 January 2016 (EST)

Zelda's notable players

Your opinions on them? I have not seen Ed and Zylach recently. I don't know who in the world is maXy. Ven is the most notable one. Nairo is fairly notable as well. Narcissa could be notable, but it is a bit debatable. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 19:34, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Ed and Zylach are probably still two of the better Zelda players out there. maXy is actually a pretty solid Zelda from Ireland (currently ranked 6th over there). I think Narcissa/Cosmo might actually be the least notable of those players, to be honest, since I can't really seem to find any real results for her. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2015 (EST)

Got it. Removed Narcissa, and left a notice in case someone wants to add her again. -- Happy Holidays from BeepYou :] 20:55, 29 December 2015 (EST)

In response to your IRC request

Because you are no longer there, I'll answer here: Yes, I'll keep an eye on the page, I agree with you. Serpent King 20:29, 2 January 2016 (EST)

VIP Players

At this point, would Abadango be considered a VIP player. He does really well at almost every national he attends. He's also one the best players for all three characters he mains (MK, Pac, Rosa). What do you think? -- Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 12:20, 6 January 2015 (EST)

At this point, I think he's more than earned it, to be honest. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 14:41, 6 January 2016 (EST)

Nintendo support

Do we have a list of Smash community events/tournaments officialy supported (sponsorship or partnership) by Nintendo? That might come in handy somewhere in the future as the number of events officially supported grows. PFFP (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2016 (EST)

Probably should be a category or timeline page, or both. Miles (talk) 20:44, 8 January 2016 (EST)

As far as I can recall, EVO 2014 and Apex 2015 were Nintendo-sponsored (and now Genesis 3 is as well). Not sure if that's the full list, but it's a start. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:46, 8 January 2016 (EST)

Nintendo partnered with EVO in 2013, 2014 and 2015. I'm not sure about Apex's record with Nintendo, but we all know about 2015 and now Genesis 3. That can't be all? No The Big House? or DreamHack? PFFP (talk) 21:04, 8 January 2016 (EST)

TBH5 was sponsored by Nintendo. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 19:25, 9 January 2016 (EST)

Vinnie quitting for lost bag.

Can you give me a source for this "lost bag" stuff? 98.157.202.185 12:29, 10 January 2016 (EST)

It was all over his twitter. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 12:38, 10 January 2016 (EST)

The ONE social media website I don't check just HAD to be the one... well, anyway, I see. I'll put a notice. 98.157.202.185 12:41, 10 January 2016 (EST)

Motsunabe

I just started his page. Could you help me there with the results? Thank you :] -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 23:35, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Javi

Hey Jamal, I just realized you undid mi edit about Javi not being the same Javi that mains Sheik. I really don't mind it, however, I saw the ranking and realized "Melee" Javi plays for the "Smash Factor" crew, but "SSB4" Javi also plays for the same crew. I would just like to ask where did you got it's not the same Javi. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 01:54, 22 January 2016 (EST)

The guy on the left in the player box is Smash 4 Javi. His opponent was Adhee. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Oh. Who knew there was two Javis. From Mexico. And I'm from Mexico.

Alternate response: MFW Javi lost 20 kg and changed his hairstyle.

-- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 03:19, 22 January 2016 (EST)

Hey nothing important just...

Where are you from?? -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v (talk) 00:19, 23 January 2016 (EST)

I'm from MD/VA, specifically Maryland. :P PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2016 (EST)

I never saw this reply, how silly of me. Then you must know a lot about the smashers there like Zephyr, GimR, C3PO, ChuDat, Azen, Plank and so on, don't cha? Just a question. Also, you can see where I am in my user page, in case you're interested. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Since no one's answering me here...

Is Ryo Guikido Ryo's real name? Penro, the and main. 16:48, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Nope, it's actually Tommy Janky. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:54, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Alright, thanks! Penro, the and main. 17:04, 30 January 2016 (EST)

Azen Zagenite

Azen's image is too old. I could upload one of him from a recent tourney, but the most recent I've found is from november 2014. Could you help me there?? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 14:20, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Smashers Birthdays?

I think everyday on the home page we should put out a Happy birthday to Smashers —Preceding unsigned comment added by CCC Hippo (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}

What does this have to do with Jamal? Why not put in the smasher page? There would probably be a smasher for almost every day, but with many less well known ones. Some smashers would share the same birthday so what would we do about them? -- Ethan(Discussion) 00:45, 16 February 2016 (EST)

Front page does not need this clutter, sorry. Serpent King 02:20, 16 February 2016 (EST)

Lythero?

Alright, so... some random dude made a page about the known YouTuber Lythero, who is known for the series Gossip For Glory and Grandstanding For Glory, which are also among the most viewed Smash videos alongside GRsmash's highlights and tops, and Alphafraud's How to Play and Story For Glory. The question for you both is the following: do you think Lee is worthy of a smasher page just like GR and Alpha have a smasher page in this wiki?? I do hope to hear a reply, even Miles and Ryan are confused about this. And you have not replied in a while to your user talk. Thanks. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 01:36, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Honestly, I think he might be worthy of a page due to his YouTube content alone, but I hope people stop adding him to the notable players section on the Falcon pages (both Melee and Smash 4). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 01:46, 17 February 2016 (EST)

Wo-oah! YO DID HE JUST... WALK UP SLOWLY... AND REPLIED? He did. He really did tho. Nice! Thanks a lot for your reply. I'll also make sure to add that type of note in Link's/Falcon pages. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 02:00, 17 February 2016 (EST)

More than just results

So smashers who beaten other notable smashers can be called top professional without tournament results? I guess Zan beaten some good smashers. I don't want to be too loose to where someone just has to beat a handful of good smashers and get call "top professional". Does Zan have any better results? -- Ethan(Discussion) 13:07, 18 February 2016 (EST)

I may have been too hasty with changing it back, admittedly. I just don't think that changing skill level should be influenced by the lack of results we have for the smasher's page in question when it's clear that there are several results missing. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 13:20, 18 February 2016 (EST)

Since you live in MD/VA

can you create some of the S@X tournament pages? (Example: S@X 124 etc.)Poultry(talk) the Pumpkin Pie 18:32, 22 February 2016 (EST)

PrinceRamen

Since he's power ranked as 1st on Central Florida, I added him as a notable Palu player. And also put TLTC as inactive since not much has been heard of him. Hope you don't mind. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 15:41, 23 February 2016 (EST)

Would you mind...

...checking through the "What links here" section for Smasher:Dan and clarifying if some of those results belong to another player named Dan? I've done some internet searching but haven't been able to confirm a connection. John PK SMAAAASH!! 10:38, 29 February 2016 (EST)

Looks like the only links not related to the Smash 4 Dan are the links on WarriorKnight and Revival of Melee 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}

I found the Apex Lineup.

Smash 64, Melee and Wii U are no-brainers. Brawl makes its return as well. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, Street Fighter V, Killer Instinct and Pokken round out the lineup. Would the Smash tournaments be allowed to be considered nationals. Maybe not Brawl, but should the other three be listed as such? -- Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 14:36, 10 March 2016 (EST)

I don't see why not. If the tournament turns out smaller than expected, we can remove them, but I think it's fine for them to be listed for now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2016 (EST)

Bowser

can you look through the notable players section and remove the unnotable? Poultry(talk) the Pumpkin Pie 21:38, 17 March 2016 (EDT)

Fatality-CC

Can you save this page? Flare and Serpent want it deleted Poultry(talk) the Pumpkin Pie 16:55, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

It's not that we want it deleted. It's we wanna know why it should be kept in the first place, as nothing notable was found by Serpent upon searching and neither of you have given any indication as to why it should stay. Disaster Flare (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

The reason I undid it was because he actually made bracket at Epita Smash Arena 2, placing 49th/231 entrants. He probably has a few other results out there as well. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2016 (EDT)

The eSports rankings

Do you have a page where I can find them? RRight now I'm using this page, but I'm not sure if this is the correct one... -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 16:11, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

do you know how to translate that? Poultry(talk) the Team Liquid 16:44, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

I know no japanese, so I can't figure out 20th place, but I figured out others like Komorikiri, Ranai, Nietono and Earth. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

This was the version that was posted to the Power Rankings thread, which I was going off of, so the rankings I posted are probably slightly out of date. The person tied for 20th with Nairo on the link you listed (which is definitely the current one) is Gomamugitya. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:56, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

1.- Never heard of that bloke.

2.- Who does he main?

-- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Japanese Lucario main who's been doing well lately; I have him on the "select wanted pages" list at the moment. Miles (talk) 18:36, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Done :D. However... should we keep his name as Gomamugitya or can it be Gomamugicha? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

From what I've noticed, "Gomamugitya" seems to be the more common variation of his name. There's more results for "Gomamugitya Lucario" than there are for "Gomamugicha Lucario" on both YouTube and Google as well, for however much that's worth. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:14, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

(Reset) Alright. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Can I see you at the IRC? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

Sure, I'm there now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:42, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

dizzkidboogie

He mains Mega Man, but as far as I know, he is not a notable Mega Man player, is he? What notable results does he have that would make him worthy of notability?

And another thing: I am aware I'm the only one that sends you PM right now, I'm sorry if it offends you :P -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2016 (EDT)

This -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 01:31, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

Whoops, sorry! I'll have to look into dizzkidboogie's results later to make sure. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 01:34, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

After looking up his results, I can't seem to find any particularly good placings for him. I don't think he should be on the "notable players" list for Mega Man. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:53, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

Again, thanks a lot. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

Larry Lurr Pound Character Usage

Where does it say that you have to win an entire game with a character to have it listed? Winning a game is a part of winning a set. I'm not trying to start anything, but he did use the character against Ally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hakannakah1 (talk • contribs) {{{2}}}

It's an unwritten yet accepted rule here on SmashWiki. If we listed every character used, some players would have that section overflow. Serpent King 21:09, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

In addition to what SK said, another reason why it's a requirement for a player to win a set with a character (they don't have to use the character for the entire set, but they DO need to win at least one game in addition to winning the set) is because it's more accurate in regards to who they advanced through the tournament with. For example, regardless of how Larry Lurr's set against Ally went (whether it was 0-3, 1-3, or 2-3), the end result is still the same: Larry Lurr places 7th out of 513 entrants. A notable exception to this, however, is bracket resets. (Since even if the player who reset the bracket still loses in Grand Finals, they at least managed to send the player from winners into losers as well.) PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:18, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

Do you think in a case like Mango at Pound 2016, who has become well-known for his usage of Marth versus Hax in winners semis, it would be acceptable to list that character even though he didn't win with him? Awesome Cardinal 2000 22:03, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

While the set was definitely interesting (to say the least), I'm against making exceptions for certain players/sets, since it could potentially create a bit of a slippery slope. If the "Summary" section for tournament pages takes off, however, I think it would be fine to mention the set there. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 22:11, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Awesome Cardinal 2000 23:07, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

Mekos

Yet again I need your help. What was Mekos placing at Pound 2016 and which chars did he use? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 15:11, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

He placed 65th in singles and 33rd in doubles (teaming with Day), and still uses Lucas. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

Thank god he still uses that guy :]

That being ssaid, it is still not enough for notability right? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

From Pound 2016 alone, nah. I'm sure he'll meet the requirements eventually, at least. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

About Aki?

Is it true that Aki dropped Sheik for Ryu. If he did, then we can finally crown a new #1 Ryu in Japan (Trela is still #1 overall). -- Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 4:16, 9 April 2016 (EST)

Yep, Aki has primarily used Ryu ever since the new patch dropped. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:18, 9 April 2016 (EDT)

Apex 2016

Are the entrance numbers really that low? Poultry(talk) the Team Liquid 17:57, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

Yes, they're pretty bad. Only Smash 4 has over 100 entrants, and even then, Dabuz is the only super top player going. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

Dabuz said on twitter that he won't go thanks to e3, so should it be removed? Penro 20:18, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

Welp, the ride never ends...

...just like my constant messaging to you. Sorry if this is becoming repetitive for you ^-^'

I had a conversation with Joaco on which I asked him to give us the results of a smasher named Meint. You may look at his results, then determine whether he is or not a proper candidate for notability on "you know who's" page. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 20:09, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

Not Jamal, but looking at the region competition, I don't think so. Penro 20:18, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to agree with Penro on this one. It's rather hard to properly gauge the strength of Argentina right now. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

Alright, thanks a bunch. I have faith in that player, he plays pretty solid, you two should see him duke it out :] -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 23:10, 13 April 2016 (EDT)

IRC?

^ Whenever you have time. Not too important, but still. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 09:33, 19 April 2016 (EDT)

Again. This time, it is because eSports Japan. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

Isai

Lots of smashers were big time editors before this version of SmashWiki Poultry(talk) the God-Slayer 11:16, 23 April 2016 (EDT)

The main question is if they edited any pages besides their own/players they're acquainted with. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 12:23, 23 April 2016 (EDT)

FILIP

This. -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2016 (EDT)

Get on my level

https://smash.gg/tournament/get-on-my-level-2016-good-game-con-ft-hbox-2/shop/goml-rewards-shop there trying to fly Superboom to GOML Poultry(talk) the God-Slayer 11:06, 30 April 2016 (EDT)

S@X

Thanks for the updates/cleanup on the Smash @ Xanadu page today; I really appreciate the help. Keep up the good work. CpnFlacon (talk) 23:40, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

While at it, I'd like to make a suggestion: wouldn't it be better to divide results by year AND collapsible? Those lists will only get longer, and fast since we're talking about a weekly. Something like

 ==Tournament results==
 ===Years===
 ====Games===

or

 ==Tournament results==
 ===Games===
 ====Years====

There's also the option to create a page for each season (year) and link on the main S@X page, to avoid the long text wall. The main page could cover the history of the weekly, giving "overall winners", that is, the player that at the end of the year won the most, etc.PFFP (talk) 13:38, 10 May 2016 (EDT)

PewPewU's Fox

PewPewU uses Fox not as a secondary and more like a main. He practically always uses Fox against Mew2King. Smasher Talk Fox, Falco, Marth, Ice Climbers 19:55, 12 May 2016 (EDT) Thunder1738 (Sorry, my signature says my mains)

He's literally only used Fox vs. Mew2King once, and that was at EVO 2014 (which was almost two years ago). On top of that, that's an incorrect assessment, considering the fact that PewPewU almost always goes solo Marth at nationals. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

He uses Fox usually against M2K, but it doesn't happen often. He announced that he would use Fox against M2K before Evo 2014. He also usually uses Fox when he is losing with Marth.

I'd like to say something regarding players and major alternate costume identification.

I did not invent this rule, I was literally told by BeepYou that it is best to represent the costume they were using. When I created the 2GGT: Fatality Saga page a while back, BeepYou switched Vicegrip's Bowser Jr. pic, which I added because he technically played the character, into a Ludwig. Then I reverted, he then rereverted then said to look at the SoCal PR, which had Vicegrip's Ludwig on the table. I only altered the costumes for Cloud, Corrin, Robin etc for certain players in a way of identification similar to how Vicegrip identifies himself with Ludwig. I'm not trying to vandalize pages, I'm trying to showcase costume identification for players the way BeepYou did for Vicegrip and Ludwig. RAIN and M2K use Advent Cloud, while Earth and Ryo use female Corrin. Why do they, because they prefer them over their default, the same way Vicegrip prefers Ludwig over Bowser Jr. In fact, some PRs on Smash.gg have pics of the players' characters in their alt to prove their identification. I'm only helping and not hurting and doing the best for PRs. Thank You for your time. Falconian Leader (Enter the Leader's Office) 14:43, 23 May 2016 (EST)

Ok, ok, wtf is goin' on, who mentioned me... (reads this post) ...you're telling me we can't, Jamal? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Nah, no need for costumes really. We only care about the character. Serpent King 15:48, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

I'm with SK on this one. The character listing in the table should use one icon per character. If Player A plays male Corrin and Player B plays female Corrin, it should use the same icon so it can be immediately seen and understood as the same character. And besides, there's years of precedent for doing it this way with Brawl Wario. Miles (talk) 16:07, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

My B. But we can still use it for Power Rankings, right? -- BeepYou, a user with no grammar at all :v (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2016 (EDT)

Armada Evo 2015

   Sorry, I didn't watch any of Armada's play before top 8 besides his set against Silent Wolf. I will change it. Thunder1738 (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2016 (EDT)Thunder1738

About this...

I don't believe I was the one who started added the "Notable" preface, but I started adding it because I personally feel it is better to have, since we don't really need to know about every minor local that a player participated in. John PK SMAAAASH!! 10:25, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I disagree wholeheartedly, there's really no reason to include "notable" when "tournament placings" is more than enough to indicate what the section is about (which would be results from tournaments). I also see no reason to exclude locals from tournament results at all. If ZeRo or Nairo lost at a local (which they both recently have, actually), people would be clamoring to add that result. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 10:39, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

And if ZeRo or Nairo lost at a local, that would make that tournament become notable, and thus worthy of mention. I really don't think the wiki should have to put up 1000+ more "Results" tags because we don't have every local some European player who hasn't touched the game since 2007 went to. John PK SMAAAASH!! 10:52, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

I never said anything about adding 1000+ "results" tags at all. No one has to go out of their way to add every single tournament that a player entered, but I also don't think any tournaments should be removed if they are added. I'd rather just go by "tournament placings" (objective) instead of "notable tournament placings" (subjective), if anything. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 10:58, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Okay, I can agree about that objective and subjective part. That's a good enough reason to cut the "notable" preface. But while you say that no one needs to go out of their way to add every result, doesn't that sort of contradict what you said earlier about seeing no reason to exclude locals from the results sections? John PK SMAAAASH!! 11:05, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Not particularly. When I said "no reason to exclude locals", I meant that locals shouldn't be removed from tournament sections if people decide to add them, is all. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:08, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

All right. I'll continue doing what I do: making smasher articles and adding only the tournaments we cover. If someone wants to come in and add more, they can do that. John PK SMAAAASH!! 11:10, 14 June 2016 (EDT)

Mango

Mango getting drunk is common knowledge, plus in the Smash Brothers documentary it said that he got arrested (forgot the number) times. I also heard from Mew2King himself that the only reason why Mango doesn't have a controversy section is because more people like him. I have heard this by many other people a large quantity of time Poultry(talk) the God-Slayer 21:02, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

I would said perhaps remove the arrested, but everything else is really fine. Penro 21:10, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

The Smash documentary occasionally exaggerates, so I wouldn't use that as a basis for Mango being arrested. However, it can be re-added provided the section has proper grammar and spelling (it's "performing" not "preforming").

I have also brought up the issue about Mango's lack of controversy section in the past as well. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:15, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

I have long since felt that controversy sections are...well pointless. Who cares? Why should we concern ourselves with whether or not Mango was ever arrested? What does that have to do with Smash? Serpent King 21:24, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

Um, because it's about the smasher? People come to the page about the smasher, and are interested in these things.

With that said, I could try to rewrite it, or someone else could. Penro 21:29, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

They'd come and expect Smash-related controversies, not every tidbit about a person's life. Unless Mango was going to a tournament during the days he was in jail, or got super disrupted by said jail time (assuming it even occurred), it's not exactly Smash related info. MegaTron1 21:35, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

...Not a good reason, sorry. This wiki is about Smash, and law breaking does not fall into that scope. Serpent King 21:36, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

Ok, probably not the jail nonsense. But controversies should really stay, because they're quite notable in the competitive scene. Penro 21:38, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

Yeah if they have to do with the scene, they are probably ok. If they are about lawsuits and that kind of stuff (I think there are a few crew/sponsor/company pages with that sort of information), that should go. Serpent King 21:40, 15 June 2016 (EDT)

Results formatting

"Characters should only be added if they helped to win a set"

Where did that come from? – Smiddle 12:20, 16 June 2016 (EDT)

This has been an unwritten rule for tournament pages for a while (since at least late 2013), as shown by the Kings of Cali 3 talk page. It's been discussed on my talk page as well in the "Larry Lurr Pound Character Usage" section. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 12:26, 16 June 2016 (EDT)

Make them then. Not sure what the issue is with putting in the bracket for tournaments that have no pages of their own if no one's going to ever make them. Piledrivaaa (talk) 00:24, 19 June 2016 (EDT)

The issue is removing redlinks, because all it does is guarantee that you'll have to edit the page again, and it can be hard to keep track of depending on how many pages it's on. I'm editing on mobile, so making pages is harder compared to editing on a desktop. Please don't remove redlinks. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 00:28, 19 June 2016 (EDT)