Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote for your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary. Fights of more than three participants have to be exceptional in order to be selected, and will likely be reserved for special rounds, so don't try too hard to make one work.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

	LADIES & GENTS! Come to the Smash Arena and vote on Round 132: Bayonetta vs. Sora!

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Wario Bike vs. Zero Laser

Two special attacks that come with the side-effect of creating projectiles from machines breaking down. 123JamesHeart 11:23, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Honestly, I can't see a final smash fighting a Side B. It's just rather unbalanced. Toast ltimatum 15:52, 4 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Stranger 1260 06:02, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Maybe have Armor pieces against Tires instead? That's what it seems you're getting at, and in which case, having the moves involved that create them is unnecessary. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Doesn't make any sense. Zero Laser will just win even if Wario is on a bike. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Uh, no. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Waluigi vs. Tingle

The irritating Assist Trophies collide. The one being the hated Wario Brother. The other is infamous for expensive maps. Which weird-cladded anti-hero will finally victory?86.82.234.185 04:24, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. A matchup between two bizarre characters that are generally regarded as scrappies in their series. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Having thought about it, I guess it could work. Toast ltimatum 08:50, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Clever. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Awesome! DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Mushroomy Kingdom vs. Mushroomy Kingdom (Alternate)

The World 1-1 and World 1-2 variants collide. But which barren wasteland takes your pick? Toast ltimatum 06:27, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I like this suggestion, it's pretty unique. King KirbyD 07:49, 5 May 2012 (EDT)
2. This suggestion is quite interesting. Stranger 1260 06:05, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
3. 204.191.138.146 22:29, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
4. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Mushroomy Kingdom hasn't lost a match yet. It'd be interesting to see which part of it is responsible for its success. Toadat9021doh (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
6. Yeah. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
7. Good, unique suggestion. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Barrel Cannon vs. Slide Launcher vs. Minecart

The modes of transportation arrive at the Arena to clash each other. Which one will launch the others from the arena? ShupaRoeh 19:49, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. That is quite special. Stranger 1260 06:06, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
2. I would say this is the best suggestion in a while. We never had a matchup involving these, nor any matchup regarding transportation. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Yeah, while I shan't recall my former comment, I'll change my status to a Support Toast ltimatum 08:50, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
5. This could make for an interesting round. 123JamesHeart 16:25, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
6. I suppose so. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
7. I love this! DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

This is certainly an interesting idea, but is another one of those suggestions which really shouldn't be 3-way. If you could find a way to turn this into a 2-way fight (I would get rid of the Slide Launcher, personally), then I would support fully. Toast ltimatum 18:42, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

All three are transportation modes in SSE, there's no reason to leave any out in a matchup of those transportation modes. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

Peach Parasol vs. Spin Attack

The two seemingly poorest recoveries come to be judged at Arena. Which is better than the other? LightningBlue: LBPeep 20:23, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Peach Parasol certainly is not a poor recovery move. Link's Spin Attack, maybe, but Toon Link, no. Waterfall, Vine Whip, Mario's Super Jump Punch etc. They're bad recoveries. Toast ltimatum 20:30, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Peach Parasol is one of the best recovery moves in both Melee and Brawl, and two recovery moves are going to need more than just being poor recoveries to be an interesting matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ^, besides, Its not as Peach Parasol isn't as gimpable. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Eh, nah. Other than being ^B, there isn't enough relation. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

Just noticed that Toast. Gonna try again next round. LightningBlue: LBPeep 22:01, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Mew2King vs. Izaw

One is a smasher who was acclaimed as the number one brawler, he mained the top tier Meta Knight, he was caught splitting with ADHD humiliating the brawl competitive community and he quit brawl as soon as Meta Knight was banned. The other is a YouTuber who grew popularity for maining his favourite character Link and showing us that anyone can be used to a great potential. Who is the better brawler?!--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 20:40, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. For a "villainous tier whore top smasher" vs. "smasher good guy that's a low tier hero" matchup, there are much better Brawl choices than Izaw (such as Vermanubis and San, the latter's efforts single handily bringing Ike out of low tier). For what you said on IRC of it being "top tournament guy vs. Youtube guy", I see no point in such a matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
2. As before, if people don't have competitive knowledge, they can't vote on this. Toast ltimatum 08:50, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Plus, I don't think user matches should be in the Smash Arena. Smash Arena matches should be for things inside the game, not outside it. Toadat9021doh (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Smashers shouldn't be in the Smash arena. That makes it a popularity contest that nobody cares about. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Mew vs. Celebi vs. Jirachi

All are pokémon that can only be obtained through an event in the game Pokémon, and it all summons different items to appear in Brawl. They also only have a chance of 1/493 to appear in Brawl. Which poké ball pokémon do you like the best? Stranger 1260 06:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Matchup makes sense, all three fit the same role among pokeball Pokemon. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Forgot to support this earlier, it obviously needs to happen. Toast ltimatum 08:50, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. We've had plenty of legendary Pokemon battles. Seeing a different kind of Pokemon battle would be a nice change. Toadat9021doh (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
5. 199.185.67.18 11:14, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
6. 123JamesHeart 16:25, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
7. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
8. Why not? DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

• Psst... Toadat9021doh, they are legendary Pokémon. :| Solar Dragon ^{(Talk • Contribs.)} 09:01, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

Mario vs. Luigi

One is red. The other is green. They fought 100 rounds ago in the Arena, and today their destined rematch begins. Who will come out on top this time? 81.141.68.50 04:47, 8 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. It will be funny to watch mario lose Sonicsidekick95 08:46, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Mario got curbstomped by Luigi last time, and seeing Luigi's Smash Arena dominance continue with the newest SmashWiki generation, Mario is going to just get curbstomped again, probably even worse. Omega Tyrant 04:14, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
2. The only fight I ever wanted to be repeated was Mewtwo vs. Lucario, and that happened with Blue Ninjakoopa killing the second tie Toast ltimatum 08:50, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ..... The Pylon 09:23, 14 May 2012 (EDT)
4. I really only think ties show be redone. If there's already a determined winner, a rematch doesn't seem necessary. Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Already been done with no redo blue. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

No KO vs. CD Factory

Two noteworthy custom stages created using the Stage Builder. Will the entrapping box or efficient item-grabber be more popular? 123JamesHeart 16:25, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Nice idea you got thar. Toast ltimatum 16:33, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
2. I never even heard of those until now. Very creative idea, I must say 98.247.37.38 23:04, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Never thought of that. Avengingbandit 00:26, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
4. hmmmm....ok. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
5. 204.191.138.146 16:02, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
6. This seems creative. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Torchic vs. Piplup

People have said they want Pokémon fights that do not involve legendaries, so here's one. Two starter Pokémon that can both be released from a Poké Ball in Brawl, and were also both owned by Ash's female companion in their respective seasons of the anime. Which is the favourite? Toast ltimatum 16:33, 16 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I was actually going to suggest this one, but also for the reasons of them being bird Pokemon of opposite elements. Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:06, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Sounds good to me. AccoolX File:Accoolx.png 21:09, 16 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Thenonexistent (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
4. Both of them are based on flightless birds, have large heads and small bodies, and high-pitched cries. It's a thumbs up from me. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 20:46, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
5. Seems interesting. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
6. This would make for a nice change of pace, considering how popular Pokémon matches are. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
7. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Kirby vs. Sonic the Hedgehog

This would be awesome, and here's why I want this to happen. Both are pretty fast, both ride airborne mechines in certian games, both are really happy in their own way, both are cocky in their own way (I'm not sure if Kirby being impulsive is cocky, I'm young, so correct me if I'm wrong), both of their favorite foods are healthy (I guess chili isn't healthy, but hot dogs are), and both have a rivalry with very serious people (Meta Knight for Kirby and Shadow the Hedgehog for Sonic). These and they're two of four of my favorite video game characters. Please make this happen! 98.247.37.38 19:17, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I don't have any issues here, tbh. DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Tasteless, and hot dogs aren't healthy. Kirby's favorite food is... everything. Kirby isn't cocky nor is he fast unless he has the Wheel ability, and Meta Knight isn't really Kirby's rival, the two are actually in very good terms; his relationship with Meta Knight can kinda sorta be compared to Sonic's relationship with Knuckles. If you were to make a valid comparison, you would say that they both wear red shoes, but that's about it. Sorry, but it's a thumbs down from me. Blue Ninjakoopa^(Talk) 20:44, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
2. For everything Blue Ninjakoopa has said. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Kirby is actually really slower in many terms. Hot dogs aren't so healthy all the time and eating too much isn't healthy either. Some of the facts are invalid. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Shadow the Hedgehog

The long-awaited battle between the fastest thing alive and the ultimate lifeform. Need I say more? Toadat9021doh (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Flat Zone vs. Flat Zone 2

More original and successor stages. 204.191.138.146 20:19, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. Why hasn't this been done yet? DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. Agreed. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. ^..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Groudon vs. Bowser

The undeterred evil king faces off against the giant fiery Legendary Pokémon. 117.254.217.177 23:51, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Support

1. I think this is a good idea. Avengingbandit 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. See little similarities except for their sheer size. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 01:36, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. ^ DoctorPain99 {ROLLBACKER} 11:50, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
3. Groudon is way bigger, so he can squash Bowser very easily. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Tabuu vs. Meta Knight

For a casual Brawler, Tabuu will be insanely difficult to defeat on Intense difficulty. For a competitive Brawler, Meta Knight is so overpowered he got banned from the Unity Ruleset. Which bloodthirsty Brawl brute has the biggest body bag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.107.113 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 20 May 2012

Support

1. A battle of the overpowered. I like it. 123JamesHeart 15:54, 20 May 2012 (EDT)
2. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Comments

I'm even on this. Tabuu may be overpowered, but he is the final boss, this is expected. Maybe a more effective match would be Sonic, who stattered his wings. LightningBlue: Cinco de Smash 16:11, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Super Smash Bros. 4 3DS vs. Super Smash Bros. 4 WiiU

They are both games in the series that announced to appear. The two games are similar but on different platforms. Which Super Smash Bros. 4's version do you prefer more? Stranger 1260 04:10, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Oppose

1. We've never even seen a screenshot of these games, we have no idea what the differences will be, or what the games will be like altogether. This'll end up being Nintendo 3DS vs. Wii U, and that still wouldn't be fair, as the Wii U isn't out yet. Both that and this fight would be viable suggestions for the future, but not now. Toast ltimatum 08:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
2. ^ as well as the fact that nobody really cares about them as of right now. ..... The Pylon 09:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)