Forum:Underrated/Unappreciated characters

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I think some characters in Brawl are underrated or unappreciated. Like maybe Falco, Wolf, or Sonic. Which characters do you guys think deserve more recognition? Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 02:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Anyone in bottom tier. Check the tier list to see the characters that I am talking about.Y462 (T • C • E ) 03:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Low, sorry about that.Y462 (T • C • E ) 07:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Lucas and Toon Link. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Lucas and Toon Link are the top used characters in North Carolina, Georgia, New York, Maine, New Jersey, and Louisiana. No Johns, Cheezperson, because you know that's a lie. Blue Ninjakoopa 05:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

How was that a john? I don't follow which states use which characters the most, as I don't care what other people use as long as the characters I use work for me. Concerning the tier list, Lucas was ripped off. Lucas's achilles heel is being chain-grabbed by Marth (Charizard and Squirtle too, but Marth is much more commonly used). That turns so many people off, and it shouldn't. I don't use Lucas a lot because I suck at recovering vertically with him. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 17:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

lol NOONE uses Squirtle or Charizard, and Lucas is fully capable of dominating both of them. Blue Ninjakoopa 19:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

People have mixed feelings over Sonic. It's either Sonic sucks in Brawl or he's cheap. Personally, I think the characters are averaged out. For example, Ike has one of the strongest smash attacks but he's not good at jumping. Or Sonic, he's the fastest character but, his standard combo is kinda slow. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 16:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sonic isn't very good at KO'ing characters. As for being cheap, I used to think so. I knew a guy who used Sonic, and all he did was use the homing attack (neutral b). I eventually figured out how to counter it, and I pwn'd on him. Every strategy has a flaw, and Sonic has plenty of them. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 17:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It all depends on how good you are at a character. I'm good with Link and Sonic but, I'm not all that good with Marth. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 19:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Cheezperson, you should know from experience that Sonic is terrible against small, ranged characters like Toon Link and Kirby. If you have trouble with Sonic, use them. Blue Ninjakoopa 19:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

CAPTAIN FALCON! He's painfully underrated, as he has a lot of potential that no one will give a chance to. - GalaxiaD ^{2K9 is Coming!} 19:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Go in a tournament against any character in the top 3 tiers with Falcon and see what happens.Smoreking 2009 is coming! 19:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

And what will that prove? You try doing the same with Ganondorf, Smore. C. Falcon has as much potential as Snake, just watch some combo videos. Blue Ninjakoopa 19:57, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Ninja Koopa's right. I think it also has to do with luck. Because, I went online and did a three way battle against Toon Link (I can't remember who was the other guy) and I beat them hands down without dying. Plus I was Sonic. Unknown the Hedgehog (talk) 20:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Skill > Tier placement. Luck really only matters when you use G&W's hammer, and even using that properly requires skill. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 20:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The dairy product man is right. Blue Ninjakoopa 21:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

A three/four person match is very different from a one on one. Toon Link probably would not have time to use his projectiles, with the pressure of two opponents. And anyways, friendly matches usually are not affected by the tier list at all, with the exception of Meta Knight. As for an Underrated character, I would have to say the Mother boys and C. Falcon. With the advent of EIDI, they should fair better against some grab-releasers (other than Marth). As for C. Falcon, he has some potential, and does not deserve to be on the bottom of the tier. Although he certainly is not top or even high tier material, he deserves to be at least on the top of the bottom tier. -Masq (t/c/e) 12:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

First, you say he has a lot of potential, but then you say he's not good? And then you say he doesn't deserve to be in the bottom tier, but then you say he should be at the top of it? You're contradicting yourself. - GalaxiaD ^Talk 20:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I didn't notice that. What I'm trying to say was that he does not deserve to be on the bottom of the tier list. I mean the very bottom, last place. He should be at least a bit higher up on the bottom tier, if not going to the middle. As for the potential sentences, I'll rephrase them. -Masq (t/c/e) 01:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

3 or 4 way matches throw tiers out the window. Different tactics, different preferences, and occasionally different ideals on items drastically change the game. The "official" tier lists are made for one on one, no items, and "neutral" stage brawls only. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 01:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

It also depends on how good you are. If you are good at a bottom tier character and you beat a top tier character, that shows that bottom tiers have potential. Unknown the Hedgehog 01:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I already said Skill > Tier placement, and it IS even more so in these free-for-all matches, but potential in competitive play can't be truly found in free-for all matches. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 02:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I know but, I wasn't talking about a free-for-all. I was talking about 1 on 1 competitive play. Unknown the Hedgehog 02:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

This is due to tiers, Unknown. You may have beaten your friend's Toon Link with your Sonic, but in a battle of two high and equally skilled people, the Toon Link player would, if his characters' tier placement is correct, win.03:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)E123Brawler Ω

I disagree entirely by repeating Cheez's statement for the third time: Skill > Tier. Blue Ninjakoopa 03:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, what if the two players were of equal skill? What happens then? The higher tier wins.E123Brawler Ω 03:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Again, no. Go to youtube and watch some of Gimpy's videos, and learn. Tier does not always matter in situations like this. Blue Ninjakoopa 03:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I've seen his videos. He is an outstanding Bowser and Shiek player. But what alternatives can affect a match? There are character strengths, character weaknesses, and skill. Assuming the stage is as neutral as possible(which isn't very easy to decide upon). I can't see a Ganondorf player beating a Meta Knight player if the two are prefectly matching in skill, because in a tournament environment, everything is regulated to the most miniscule differences in player advantages possible. Since Meta Knight is a beast of a character with no major weaknesses, and Ganondorf is well...Ganondorf, how can the Ganon player possibly win? Now if this were on Distant Planet and the MK player fell into the Bulblorb's mouth, I can see a victory for Ganon. The only other variables I can see in the match is something very minute in nature, such as the MK player getting something in his eye and not beng able to see the screen very well. And even then, that doen't mean he's any worse a player than his opponent. Now don't get me wrong. I agree with TR4Q. I WOULD enter a tournament with Sonic. But for my own personal interest I would like to know how two players of indifferent tier position maining can have the same advantage over the other.E123Brawler Ω 03:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Then you should try and visualize it, because it's possible. Shade and I are equal in skill, and I've beaten his Bowser with my Yoshi, nao wut? You spelled 'minuscule', 'doesn't', and 'being' wrong by the way. Don't make these silly judgments anymore, mmkay? (spelled that wrong on purpose loool) Blue Ninjakoopa 04:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

*sigh* To each his own I suppose. But I'm also a grammar freak so thanks for the corrections. If you view my opinion as wrong, don't use it to judge me please. However, I actually think that Yoshi should be higher tier than Bowser.E123Brawler Ω 04:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Just because Bowser is a large target doesn't mean he should be lower. He has excellent aerial game and powerful attacks, as well as a useful projectile. I didn't mean to make it seem as if I was judging you. Blue Ninjakoopa 04:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I think King Dedede's tier listing should answer any question on bias against large characters on the "official" tier list. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 04:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I concur with what Cheez said. Not all heavyweights are bad, in fact, most of the heaviest charactrs are at the top portions of the tier list, from Ike to Snake. Blue Ninjakoopa 04:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Ike's low tier, but he is very commonly used. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 05:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I never said I thought Bowser sucked due to his heavyweight status.E123Brawler Ω 06:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Ike is middle tier. Blue Ninjakoopa 06:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)