Talk:Square Enix

Disagreement regarding Sora not being a Square Enix character

Sora is a Square Enix character. The Kingdom Hearts franchise is not fully owned by Disney. The reason is that Disney needs permission from Square Enix employee Tetsuya Nomura, creator and director of the series, to get the greenlight, so technically, and ultimately, Square Enix does own Kingdom Hearts. If Sora were really a Disney character, he would be in non-Square Enix games (a Monster Hunter game, for example), where Square Enix is not given any credit or even mentioned at all, but I doubt Nomura would allow that. Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 18:21, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Disney asks Nomura out of respect despite Disney owning the character. They don’t ask permission because they have to but because they want to. Thegameandwatch The Nerd 23:43, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Disney owns all properties related to Kingdom Hearts, Sora included. It was what Disney and Square Enix agreed to when they opted to create a new protagonist for the collaboration. -- PanchamBro (talk • contributions) 18:30, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

If you still doubt us, just look it up on Google. Almost all the results state that Sora, as well as Kingdom Hearts in general, is owned by Disney. CookiesCreme 19:42, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

In addition to what Cookies and Pancham said, if we were to give anything related to Kingdom Hearts on this Wiki the Square Enix category, then we would also have to give the company categories to any content from games that are made by said companies but not owned by them (e.g. giving anything Four Swords/The Minish Cap-related the Capcom tag; anything Star Fox: Assault or Donkey Konga-related the Namco tag; anything Mario Hoops-related the Square Enix tag; etc.). While I wouldn't mind this, per se, it's still something that needs a consensus first in order to be implemented. The Jacketed Terrapin 21:14, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

“Sora belongs to SQUARE Enix.

Kingdom Heart series are cooperation attempt between Disney and Square Enix but there is a clear separation between them.

The characters each brought to the game are their own copyrighted materials from their own studios (which is evident from the game’s ending screen) and even so you could see Disney characters’ being level bosses (including Maleficent who was a sub-final boss), the end boss will always be SQUARE Enix’s choice.

This is because Disney is more “rigid” than SQUARE ENIX. Their “villains” are preset - which means they cannot be defeated in any way except how their movies had played out. You cannot defeat Ursula (The Little Mermaid) without Ariel’s and Neptune’s help. You cannot defeat the hunter (forgot his name) without Tarzan’s help and so on.

This allows a greater flexibility for SQUARE ENIX to model their own villains and use it however they want.”
-- Gobi Subramaniam in Quora

So ultimately, contrary to what the Google search results claim, by controlling the franchise, Square Enix does own Kingdom Hearts. Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 21:34, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Quora is far from a reliable source. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 21:55, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

The copyright notice for Sora literally only credits Disney without an ounce of Square Enix being there. Similarly, the copyright notices for the series (I would link to the image if Fandom's image linking system wasn't broken beyond repair) only credit Square Enix as the developer of the series and the owners of the Final Fantasy characters.

Also, citing a Quora post that doesn't have any sources to back up its claims is not really a good way to prove your point. The Jacketed Terrapin 21:56, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Developing a franchise, and being a bottleneck on what directions the franchise goes in, isn't really enough to say that a company "owns" the franchise. Disney could just as quickly revoke Square Enix's ability to develop the games. If we were to say that whoever makes the games and oversees promotions "owns" the franchise, then we could say that Retro Studios owns Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong Country, for example. Sincerely, Samuel the Banjo-Kazooie Boss. 22:16, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

Really? Then why is Sora labelled as one of the Square Enix mascots in List of video game mascots on Wikipedia? Smash64MeleeBrawl4Ultimate (talk) 23:58, October 26, 2021 (EDT)