User talk:The Jacketed Terrapin/Archive 1

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Nintendofan1653 (talk) a canadian beast. 18:59, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Hey

Go make a page in the list of minor universes section for Cooking Guide:Can't Decide What to Eat?.

Cooking Guide is a part of the Shaberu! DS Cooking Navi universe, so it's not getting its own section. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:02, 10 November 2018 (EST)

About your new sandbox

Some characters like Peach and Bowser were mentioned in Mario’s trophy-like profile in Smash 64 before they debuted in Melee. What does that count as? 174.55.24.64 11:02, June 9, 2019 (EDT)

Simple mentions in bios don't count towards a character's debut appearance. It must be a physical appearance of sorts for it to count. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 13:28, June 9, 2019 (EDT)

Deal quietly with vandals

These kinds of edit summaries come off as rude and do nothing to help your case. If you see an obvious vandal edit from someone with no interest in contributing to the wiki, just undo it and leave it alone. DracoRex, Creator of the Land 11:47, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

I apologize for my behavior when dealing with those vandalized edits. I promise I'll never do these sorts of attacks ever again. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 11:50, June 12, 2019 (EDT)

Sandbox

I just want to say that your sandbox is awesome and you should add bosses, enemies, and other characters with pages on this wikia onto your Major characters and their first appearance in SSB page. Also, will you consider doing something similar to that with their debut appearances?

Thanks. I was inspired to make the sandbox after I was thinking of this little idea for a Smash game where one of the main ways to unlock characters is through means that depend on their original status (Such as defeating an Assist Trophy, seeing a character in a stage, collect a character's trophy, etc.). Anyway, I might add bosses when I feel like it, but I'm not sure about enemies and other semi-major characters like moveset/stage-exclusive characters. Also, what exactly do you mean by "will you consider doing something similar to that with their debut appearances?"? SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:04, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

I mean by their first video game appearance. 174.55.24.64 03:19, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

That's gonna be a no. Sorry. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:23, June 17, 2019 (EDT)

About your sandbox

Pokémon Trainer cameoed in the intro for Smash 64. 174.55.24.64 17:01, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

That person that walks by Pikachu in the intro is just a generic human rather than explicitly a Pokémon Trainer. They could very be a non-trainer for all we know. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 18:02, June 22, 2019 (EDT)

Ideas for your sandbox

You can add villainous Poké ball Pokémon like Darkrai, Wobbuffet, and Meowth (but note enemies and bosses since they’re all villains) and you can add every game where these characters were villains. 174.55.24.64 12:36, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

I'm gonna pass on both of those. There are SO MANY adaptations of the Pokémon franchise that put certain Pokémon in an antagonist role that I don't think it's really worth the trouble to list them all. I only included Greninja and Incineroar as villains because they have been paired up with the villains before in certain moments, plus they're playable fighters, meaning they get priority. As for the last one, like I said, I don't think it's worth the trouble to list off all the games where the characters were villains. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 14:52, July 8, 2019 (EDT)

Sandbox

Can you add my removed edit onto the sandbox? 174.55.24.64 01:49, July 10, 2019 (EDT)

Can you please specify what edit you're referring to? SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 02:03, July 10, 2019 (EDT)

https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=User:SuperSmashTurtles/Miscellaneous_stuff&oldid=1259571 174.55.24.64 02:47, July 10, 2019 (EDT)

I'm gonna say no to that. I'm gonna stand by the fact that the Donkey Kong in Smash is different than the one in the arcade games, and I'm only taking playable Pokémon into consideration for that sandbox. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:08, July 10, 2019 (EDT)

Doki Doki Panic

Do you think the original Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. 2 is a different universe, despite Mario characters being in the game like Birdo, Bob-omb, Shy Guy, and Wart? 174.55.24.64 19:27, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

I mean, I guess, but I don't think it should be classified as its own universe on this page, as all content is considered to be a part of the Mario universe. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 20:25, July 12, 2019 (EDT)

For your new sandbox

1-2 Switch (Nintendo Switch party game)

Face Raiders (3DS game where you shoot enemies based on real photos)

Doki Doki Panic (The original Mario Bros. 2)

174.55.24.64 22:07, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

I'm gonna exclude Doki Doki Panic since it's technically a licensed property, but I'll get to the others when I get to the 3DS and Switch universes (which won't be for awhile). SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 22:21, July 14, 2019 (EDT)

This page

Shows old toys and arcade games Nintendo published for your new sandbox. 174.55.24.64 22:43, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

For your sandbox

Go to the Wikipedia page of games published by Nintendo before the NES. 174.55.24.64 22:50, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

First of all: Don't add two sections that are literally about the same topic. Second: I'd rather much prefer you take any requests to the discussion pages of my respective sandboxes rather than here.

Anyway, I'm thinking about it, but I don't feel like adding them now. Maybe when I'm done with all the modern stuff. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 23:21, July 16, 2019 (EDT)

If

Nester could be in your sandbox, can Captain N too? 174.55.24.64 02:25, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

Unlike Nester, Captain N doesn't have a game, so no. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 02:34, July 19, 2019 (EDT)

In your recent sandbox

You forgot Face Raiders. 174.55.24.64 13:10, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

I excluded digital-only stuff for right now, so that's why Face Raiders isn't there. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 13:22, July 22, 2019 (EDT)

Can you make

My Hero Acadamia Spirits? 174.55.24.64 15:47, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

No. I don't even watch MHA. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 16:18, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

Disney

Can you add Mickey Mouse characters, Marvel, Star Wars, Fox (Disney owns them), and original Kingdom hearts characters into your sandbox? 174.55.24.64 17:06, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

Just a reminder: The rules on the sandbox state "please add your suggestions on the discussion page of this sandbox". Anyway, I will, I just don't feel like adding them right now. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 17:12, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

One more thing

Will you Make Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon Spirits if you did Disney Channel (you forgot Jake Paul with the Disney Channel flow)? 174.55.24.64 18:29, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

The point of the sandbox was to make spirits for Kingdom Hearts, not just Disney in general, so no Nickelodeon or CN. Also, no way am I giving Jake Paul a spirit. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 18:45, August 4, 2019 (EDT)

R.O.B.

I didn’t include Ice Climber because this wiki counts Arcade Archives as another installment. If none of those count, it can be added to the Ice Climber page. Also Bayonetta 3 isn’t out currently and does not have a release date, so it will be that way until then. —Meester Tweester (talk) 13:49, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

I do see your points, but I personally don't think the arcade version of Ice Climber should really qualify as a "separate installment", and I did say in the edit summary that Bayonetta 3 still has the chance of being cancelled. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 21:39, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

Shantae

It should be there to edit the Shantae universe section if the List of minor universes page. 174.55.24.64 21:22, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

Does Shantae have her own character page on the wiki? If not, then it shouldn't be on the list. CookiesCreme 21:29, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

What Cookies & Cream said. Shantae's presence as a spirit may be special to the Smash series, but for the SmashWiki, she's just another minor character whose presence isn't particularly notable enough to warrant her own page. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 21:39, August 14, 2019 (EDT)

List of minor universes also has a "most recent game" slot, so actually IP is right. Fire Emblem: Three Houses was on the list even though no playable characters from Smash were in it, because it meant Fire Emblem had to be updated.

That said, it's inane to actually argue over this when it's just a userpage to make things a little bit easier. TheNuttyOne 00:58, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

If I may add, Shantae's also not listed as an "eligible" character, hence why she shouldn't be added. FE3H is also a title for a major Smash universe so it's obvious as to why it should be added. CookiesCreme 12:45, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

It's not a list of "major Smash entries"; it's a list of things that require us to update something on the wiki. List of minor universes is a page that needs updated, whether it's "major" or not. TheNuttyOne 16:36, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

Seriously, Wario's an anti-hero, NOT a villain...

Nevermind the penultimate co-op event in Brawl and of course the Subspace Emissary Adventure Mode, just because Wario was a villain for at least ONE game, like his debut (Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins), doesn't mean he's been an antagonist in a lot of other media since. So Wario is an ANTI-HERO, NOT a villain. It's like calling Donkey Kong a villain and NOT a hero... cause he's only really been a villain for been the Mario vs. Donkey Kong spinoff series, and the original 1981 Donkey Kong no less (not to mention it's like calling Mario a villain, when his only villainous role was his second game Donkey Kong Jr.). NinTylo (talk) 00:47, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

Are you referring to my "Miscellaneous stuff" sandbox (Which only has the "Villain Ensemble" section as of writing this)? If so...I didn't really intend it to be all that serious. It's just a thing I did more for fun. I mean, I included Greninja on the list just because of its Dark-typing, for god's sake.

Also, Wario was a full-fledged villain in more than just his debut. He was the main antagonist in Mario & Wario and Wario's Woods, and he and Waluigi even teamed up with Bowser in Mario Tennis: Power Tour. Hell, he was even the main antagonist in the final stage of WarioWare Gold. Just because he's not really a villain these days, that still doesn't remove the reputation he had as a recurring Mario villain. This Wiki uses the term "antagonist" because it's a nice collective term to use for both the villains and anti-heroes. (Although there's still something I like to call the "Mewtwo problem", who wasn't even an antagonist in the Pokémon games)

And even if we're still gonna argue about whether Wario is a "villain", I didn't explicitly say that all the characters in the list were "villains". The very first sentence even says "has a theme of "villains" or "antagonists"", so it's atleast pointing out that not all the characters in the list are full-fledged villains. One of the rules also states that any fighter who played an antagonist role (no matter if they're major or minor ones; if their role is temporary or recurring; or if they're mere anti-heroes or full-fledged villains) is qualified as long as they're not universally considered heroes like Donkey Kong (specifically the one that debuted in the Donkey Kong Country series) or especially Mario.

The only reason I gave the Pokémon fighters a pass is because, unlike most of the cast, they don't really have a moral alignment, so there's really not a problem with placing them on either side. I specifically chose Greninja and Incineroar because I thought they'd fit well with the villains for one reason or another (Both are Dark-type (which is called "Evil-type" in Japan), and Greninja was used by one of the main antagonists in the Diancie movie while Incineroar is outright based on a villain archetype) and because I thought only having one Pokémon on the villain's side would be very boring, not to mention that Smash has grouped them with the villains exactly once each before. Mewtwo still ended up on the list though because, let's be honest, its role in The First Movie is too hard to ignore.

I will admit that calling it "Villain Ensemble" wasn't really the best name for it, but I thought it rolled off the tongue a lot better than "Antagonist Ensemble".

So yeah, I hope you understand my decisions. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 02:06, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

Shantae 5

I added that because the list of minor universes page has a most recent game section for Shantae. 174.55.24.64 12:02, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

Did you even check the "Eligible characters and entities" list? Shantae's not even listed. CookiesCreme 12:42, August 15, 2019 (EDT)

Rareware

Could you make a sandbox with Rareware Spirits like Banjo, Kazooie, Mumbo, Bottles, Gruntildaa, Joanna Dark, Killer Instinct, Battletoads, James Bond, Conker, Diddy Kong Racing, and other related spirits like Yooka Laylee, Steve, and Master Chief? 174.55.24.64 16:51, August 16, 2019 (EDT)

No. I don't have ideas for other kinds of Spirits sandboxes. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 16:53, August 16, 2019 (EDT)

Kingdom Hearts Spirits

What are you gonna add to that sandbox? It would be cool if spirit battles would be there (Luigi and Wario and Timon and Pumbaa and Donkey Kong as Wreck it Ralph and Mario as Felix should be the first ones you could add) Will there be more Disney spirits coming soon? 174.55.24.64 14:24, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

Well, the problem is that I haven't decided what the spirit battles would be like. It's just a draft at the moment. Also, I don't plan on adding any more Disney series excluding upcoming movies and shows. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 19:35, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

But what about the basic Disney characters like Mickey and Donald and Goofy and stuff? Also, do you like my suggestions? 174.55.24.64 19:38, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

The draft is on hiatus at the moment. I don't plan to include the Kingdom Hearts OCs or any of the characters from the expanded Mickey Mouse universe anytime soon.

Also, I'm not taking any requests on what sandboxes should be created. Only I decide which sandboxes I want to create. If I may remind you once again: You don't have to use my user talk page to make suggestions for certain sandboxes. Just comment your suggestions on the discussion pages for the respective sandbox, instead. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 19:42, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

I meant for the sprit battles. 174.55.24.64 19:46, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

I just stated that I have no ideas for any spirit battles. That also means I don't have ideas for spirit battles for characters like Donald Duck and Goofy. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 19:50, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

Kingdom Hearts

The reason why I’m saying these suggestions here is because your sandbox didn’t have a talk page yet, and I don’t have an account on SmashWiki. 174.55.24.64 19:55, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

Oh, you can't make a discussion page without an account? Never knew that. Thanks for reminding me. I'll go make one right now. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 20:16, August 19, 2019 (EDT)

Undone Edit

Hi! I just made an edit for Mr. Game and Watch's SSBU page, but you undid it. To explain why you did this, you gave me a link. However, the page apparently does not exist. I trust your judgement, but i'd still like to know why we cannot name the moves based on their origin game. Is it because some moves share a home game? I don't mean to be disrespectfull in any way; i'd just like to improve the quality of my edits. Yoshifun1 (talk) 12:02, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, I didn't know how to link the edit revision properly. I intended it to be a "copy-and-paste" sorta link. If you wanna know the answer now, they aren't listed because their names aren't used in-game in Ultimate. I know it's rather silly, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 12:04, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Munchlax

You removed trivia on the Munchlax page but all Pokéball Pokémon that don’t have a spirit should have that on their trivia page. Plus, you made a typo (“Muchlax”) come back on the wiki until Cookies and Creme saved the day. 174.55.24.64 21:02, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Hey man, no personal attacks. Also, SST's edit, aside from the typo, was correct. There are several Pokéball Pokémon that aren't spirits, so the trivia is just uninteresting; trivia is supposed to say something unique about an article or those like it, but it's not unique when 18 other Pokémon share the trait. CookiesCreme 21:40, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

That's odd. I don't even remember changing Munchlax's name there at all, and yet the edit summary proves that I did. Perhaps it was a misclick that I somehow failed to notice? SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 22:16, August 21, 2019 (EDT)

Mario Sunshine 2

I believe the leaks are fake. 174.55.24.64 02:11, August 24, 2019 (EDT)

??? Why are you telling me this, exactly? I'm not mad at you, just...curious. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 02:29, August 24, 2019 (EDT)

New sandbox

Will you cover first appearances in SSB games or first appearances in all (Roy and Crafted Yoshi debuted in SSB however). 174.55.24.64 21:17, August 31, 2019 (EDT)

First appearances in the Super Smash Bros. series. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 00:33, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Updating the new sandbox

Will you update it everyday? 174.55.24.64 02:07, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Maybe not everyday, but I'll get it done as soon as I can. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 02:42, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Mii fighters

You forgot them in your sandbox. 174.55.24.64 03:17, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Oops, you're right. I'll go add them ASAP. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:24, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Why are the Miis gone? 174.55.24.64 03:40, September 1, 2019 (EDT)

Shoot! I was editing in something else for the page before you requested the Mii Fighters, and I added the Mii Fighters shortly after your request, but their info weren't on my other edit by the time I saved it, so it counted as me removing them. I added them back. SuperSmashTurtles (talk) 03:45, September 1, 2019 (EDT)