Talk:Hero (SSBU)
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Isn’t he just called “Hero”?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but even though the splash said “The Hero”, the name below his portrait simply read “Hero” when it was showcasing his Mana system. Lou Cena (talk) 13:11, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- Can confirm - rewatching the trailer (via Ninkendo's reaction), and it does, in fact, say "Hero". Aidan, the Rurouni 13:22, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- Thank you Aidan. Here’s the link; the exact time frame is at 2:20. Lou Cena (talk) 13:24, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
Really?
I watch the trailer to get all the info out onto the page and you guys up and made a new, blank page without even keeping the bullet points? Are you actually kidding me right now? Enigma (talk) 14:24, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- It’s because we mistakenly called him “The Hero” when the “The” was just for the trailer. Just add the info in. It won’t hurt. Lou Cena (talk) 14:26, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- I can't. I didn't think to paste it on notepad because I assumed the page wouldn't be changed this dramatically. Now I have to go back and redo this from scratch. Enigma (talk) 14:28, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- Woah calm down. lost version here SerpentKing 14:30, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- I can't. I didn't think to paste it on notepad because I assumed the page wouldn't be changed this dramatically. Now I have to go back and redo this from scratch. Enigma (talk) 14:28, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
Incorrect Logo
That's not the DQ logo for Smash, if you look on this page on the official site, its entirely different.
- Either someone possibly assumed what the symbol was going to be, or using it as placeholder. Wolff (talk) 14:29, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
- The symbol put in place is a placeholder - we previously used it for the Dragon Quest NIWA wiki. It will be uploaded over. Aidan, the Rurouni 14:36, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
Name is "Eleven", not Irebun
Irebun is an incorrect romanization of the word "eleven", which isn't actually his name in either case, but if it's going to be used better Eleven than Irebun (which as far as I can tell was just made up by someone who misread the kana and is not from an official source). 71.69.105.55Me
His name is Eleven it’s what’s used in the marketing. Irebun is from nowhere it’s a romanized Japanese pronunciation of Eleven Paulie25 (talk) 23:43, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
Is his name Eleven or Luminary?
I'm seeing a mix of both of those names on the articles. Which one is it?
Cherrim98
Talk 22:33, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
His name is Eleven it’s what’s used in the marketing. Irebun is from nowhere it’s a romanized Japanese pronunciation of Eleve Paulie25 (talk) 23:43, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
Luminary is a title that is given to him Paulie25 (talk) 23:44, June 11, 2019 (EDT)
What's his stage called?
I noticed that there's no name for the Hero's stage. Being unfamiliar with Dragon Quest, I'm trying to figure this out. Does anyone know the name of his stage? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RyuHacco (talk • contribs) 08:52, June 12, 2019
- We'll have to wait until Hero is fully released to know, unless of course Sakurai reveals it beforehand. Cookies
Creme 09:03, June 12, 2019 (EDT) - Can't find an exact match, but Havens Above looks pretty similar. 181.165.132.68 12:56, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- According to this tweet, the stage is called "Altar of the Skies" (天空の祭壇). Is there a location in DQXI with a similar name?--190.166.144.194 13:25, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- Found it! Apparently it's called "Yggdrasil's Altar". Image 1 Image 2. The first map has those same kanji, while the second map is the first image, but in the English version. And for hard confirmation, here's a let's play of that part of the game! 181.165.132.68 14:42, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- Is it called that in Smash though? If not, then don't add it. CookiesCreme 15:05, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- I mean, if we're being technical, we don't have any confirmation that Spiral Mountain is gonna be called that in Smash either, but what else is it gonna be called? Is the need for confirmation for this one but not that one just because "Yggdrasil" is kind of a tough word? I'm actually curious to know. 181.165.132.68 13:03, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
- Is it called that in Smash though? If not, then don't add it. Cookies
- Found it! Apparently it's called "Yggdrasil's Altar". Image 1 Image 2. The first map has those same kanji, while the second map is the first image, but in the English version. And for hard confirmation, here's a let's play of that part of the game! 181.165.132.68 14:42, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- According to this tweet, the stage is called "Altar of the Skies" (天空の祭壇). Is there a location in DQXI with a similar name?--190.166.144.194 13:25, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
Welp, Yggdrasil's Altar sounds funky. Again I have never played a Dragon Quest game so it just... sounds funky.
Should we use plural pronouns?
Since Hero is technically multiple people all using a generic title, should we use “they”, or should we use “he” since they’re all male anyways? Lou Cena (talk) 13:03, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
- Even with characters that have different alts (regardless of it being character- or gender-changing), we default to the first - Olimar instead of Alph, Popo and Nana instead of the other way around, Bowser Jr. instead of any of the Koopalings, etc.. This is no different. Aidan, the Rurouni 14:54, June 12, 2019 (EDT)
If “Erdrick” refers to the title of the DQ3 hero and not his actual name, why don’t we call the DQ11 hero “Luminary?”
Um you got to give more specifics than the title. Cookies
Creme 12:27, June 13, 2019 (EDT)
All of the protagonists are classified under the generic name “Hero,” and the Dragon Quest Wiki acknowledges the DQ11 Hero as the Luminary. Since there aren’t any other heroes in the DQ series going under the title of “Luminary,” we know for sure that the one and only thing that fulfills both requirements of a protagonist in the series and the distinct title of Luminary goes to the DQ11 protagonist. It also helps that the promotional material for the Switch version refers to the Hero as the Luminary. ——DatAlphaLion
"Presumably"
>It is unknown how damage will be affected, but it is presumably nullified as well. >It is presumably chargeable.
A lot of the information on this page seems very speculative. Should the page really have baseless presumptions with no basis? 65.128.165.216
- There are a lot of cases where "presumably" is being used, but a lot of it has the intended meaning of "based on the animation of the move, this is the standard attack that the move is likely associated with." As for the other "presumably" cases:
- Kaswoosh matches the same naming scheme as Kafrizzle, which is shown to be chargeable.
- Kaclang shows the same bubble effect that shows up when you hit an invincible character, so it's safe to assume that you take no damage while in that form.
- The Final Smash has no name, but the animation of the move most closely resembles that of Gigaslash.
- None of this is baseless, as you have so kindly put it to be. Aidan, the Rurouni 15:31, June 14, 2019 (EDT)
Hero confirmed a July release by Nintendo
As expected by some; Hero will 100% be coming by the end of July. This was pretty much confirmed by Nintendo on YouTube in a video focused on releases in July, and one of them was Hero. No exact date was given still; but it is expected to be either the 18th or the 25th in America. (19th and 26th to other regions such as Japan and Europe.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.147.80 (talk • contribs) 16:17, July 16th, 2019 (EDT)
- First off, new sections go at the bottom. Secondly, sign your comments with ~~~~. Thirdly, we'll report on Hero's release date when we have an official source expressing such; the wiki is no place for speculation. Aidan, the Rurouni 18:46, July 16, 2019 (EDT)
- First of all. The video's title specifically stated July releases at first, so don't give me this "speculation" crap. Second of all; thanks for making it clear that new things go on the top, i clearly read the goddamn notice on this page. Nice to see how kind this wiki is to new users. 86.183.147.80 14:30, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
- Tone down the attitude, please. In your own words, "pretty much confirmed" isn't concrete. We'll add the date when we get the date. Don't get antsy. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 14:49, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
- In my defense, I hadn't seen the video before making this post, so my apologies. However, me giving you a simple "hey, this is how you're supposed to do things" isn't not treating you kindly. Aidan, the Rurouni 16:06, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
- Tone down the attitude, please. In your own words, "pretty much confirmed" isn't concrete. We'll add the date when we get the date. Don't get antsy. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 14:49, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
Hero release date
Hero is releasing today so should it be included in wiki news? Supa Toad 64 
09:44, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
- Elaborate, please? Not exactly sure what you mean. Carson the door, 11:02, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Official names
In the showcase, they told us the names that we should use to refer to each of the fighters. I know this was a big topic early on, but we couldn't possibly have gotten a more official and direct reveal. They are Eleven (11), Arusu (3), Solo (4), and Eight (8). Luigi86101 (talk) 15:24, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
- Sakurai in no way said they were official. His wording was very much so "you can use these names if you want to". Aidan, the Rurouni 15:28, July 30, 2019 (EDT)
- Then why still use Luminary and Erdrick? Why not stick to Eleven, Four and Three? Especially when Luminary and Erdrick are titles and not names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.94.1 (talk • contribs) 09:47, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- I agree. The names should be Eleven, Arusu, Solo, and Eight. There are way more reasons to make those the names than anything else. First of all, those are literally the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they could call them. Those are obviously the names that he and Square Enix want to get known as their official names. And those are obviously the names that he wants people to call them. Also, the title of "Luminary" is literally just an alternate western translation of "Hero." He's not known as the Luminary in Japan, he's known as the Hero, just like all the other protagonists. So, if this was a Japanese wiki, it would be like calling them all their names but calling the DQ11 one "Hero" as if it's his name. When the title of Hero/Luminary is something they all have. Which is why they are all called that in the character select screen. Similarly, "Erdrick" is just a title that the DQ3 Hero earns. His name is Asuru, as Sakurai stated. --73.71.161.160 16:08, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- For one, Sakurai never said those were official names; his wording was very clearly "you can use these names if you like". They were to be taken as a suggestion, and nothing more - furthermore, the video even said "Character names from Japanese games", so I doubt that they were meant to be taken into usage by worldwide fans.
- For two, more people know the name "Erdrick" and "Luminary" than "Arusu" and "Eleven". Even Japanese fans call him "Loto" instead of "Arusu", and even Sakurai introduces the Hero from III as "the Hero Erdrick". (He says it in Japanese as well.)
- I fail to see how there are "way more reasons" to use names that people aren't familiar with. Aidan, the Rurouni 16:19, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- Why not stick with Three, Four, Eight and Eleven then? They are more official and recognized. They're more "neutral" and general.
- I never said that Sakurai said those were the official names. I said that those are the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they should call the Heroes. And that it's obvious that those are the names that he wants us to use. Or else he wouldn't have suggested we use them. So we should use them. I can see an argument for keeping Asuru's name as "Erdrick" since that's a title that most people refer to him as rather than his real name. As for Eleven being titled "Luminary," are you just going to completely ignore what I said about it literally just being interchangeable with "Hero"? Luminary is not his name and it is not a title like "Erdrick." It's what they decided to translate "Hero" as for DQ11 in the west for some reason instead of keeping it as "Hero" like all the previous games. And in Smash, they decided to just call them all "Hero" instead of "Luminary" to be consistent with previous titles since multiple Heroes are playable and to be consistent languague-wise. .....and if you're going to fix his name from Luminary to Eleven, you might as well change Asuru's name from Erdrick to Asuru for consistency's sake. Because why only call one of them by a title rather than a name? --73.71.161.160 20:27, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- It is a matter of consistency. Else it looks like you're giving preference for one name over the other. Methinks it's because one has been used in other pages.
- I never said that Sakurai said those were the official names. I said that those are the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they should call the Heroes. And that it's obvious that those are the names that he wants us to use. Or else he wouldn't have suggested we use them. So we should use them. I can see an argument for keeping Asuru's name as "Erdrick" since that's a title that most people refer to him as rather than his real name. As for Eleven being titled "Luminary," are you just going to completely ignore what I said about it literally just being interchangeable with "Hero"? Luminary is not his name and it is not a title like "Erdrick." It's what they decided to translate "Hero" as for DQ11 in the west for some reason instead of keeping it as "Hero" like all the previous games. And in Smash, they decided to just call them all "Hero" instead of "Luminary" to be consistent with previous titles since multiple Heroes are playable and to be consistent languague-wise. .....and if you're going to fix his name from Luminary to Eleven, you might as well change Asuru's name from Erdrick to Asuru for consistency's sake. Because why only call one of them by a title rather than a name? --73.71.161.160 20:27, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- Why not stick with Three, Four, Eight and Eleven then? They are more official and recognized. They're more "neutral" and general.
- I agree. The names should be Eleven, Arusu, Solo, and Eight. There are way more reasons to make those the names than anything else. First of all, those are literally the names that Sakurai told people during an official presentation that they could call them. Those are obviously the names that he and Square Enix want to get known as their official names. And those are obviously the names that he wants people to call them. Also, the title of "Luminary" is literally just an alternate western translation of "Hero." He's not known as the Luminary in Japan, he's known as the Hero, just like all the other protagonists. So, if this was a Japanese wiki, it would be like calling them all their names but calling the DQ11 one "Hero" as if it's his name. When the title of Hero/Luminary is something they all have. Which is why they are all called that in the character select screen. Similarly, "Erdrick" is just a title that the DQ3 Hero earns. His name is Asuru, as Sakurai stated. --73.71.161.160 16:08, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- Then why still use Luminary and Erdrick? Why not stick to Eleven, Four and Three? Especially when Luminary and Erdrick are titles and not names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.94.1 (talk • contribs) 09:47, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
This has been discussed to death Thegameandwatch (talk) 21:43, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Let’s just finish discussing this topic Thegameandwatch (talk) 21:44, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Edit what happens when Hero hits a ceiling when using Zoom
Whenever Hero hits his head, he falls and crashes. However, the page says it's unknown and it's protected. Could someone who can edit the page edis the description of Zoom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PopplioPal (talk • contribs) 01:09, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Nobuyuki Hiyama was the voice actor for SSB/M Link
Nobuyuki Hiyama (The actor for Erdrick/Arusu,) was the same person who voiced Link in SSB64 and SSBM. May want to add this. Carson the door 10:43, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- "Erdrick's voice actor, Nobuyuki Hiyama, had also notably voiced Adult Link in Ocarina of Time, Smash 64, and Melee. Of the four Heroes, his recording session was completed the fastest due to his extensive experience. Sakurai also notes that his performance can be recognized as Guy Shishioh from The King of Braves GaoGaiGar."
- Already on there. Look in the trivia. Aidan, the Rurouni 11:18, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- Alright, got it. Would maybe be a good idea to add it to the beginning, your call though.
- Also, whoever quoted the trivia section, sign your comment. Carson the door 11:29, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- It was within the same comment, coming from me, and I already signed my comment. Aidan, the Rurouni 11:30, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- Noticed it right before you commented that, whoops! Carson the door 11:33, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
- It was within the same comment, coming from me, and I already signed my comment. Aidan, the Rurouni 11:30, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Whack and Thwack switched
The page states that Whack is a sword slice while Thwack is a projectile. It's actually the other way around. CiciPop (talk) 19:00, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
Already fixed it. NuFace (talk) 19:14, July 31, 2019 (EDT)
The lightest heavyweight fighter
If 101 counts as heavyweight, since Cloud and Mii Swordfighter each fall short at just 100, then he beats Mega Man as the new lightest heavyweight fighter (add that to the trivia). --NinTylo (talk) 00:42, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
Fifth Alternate Costume
I know the trivia section is already excessively long, but I noticed that his fifth costume resembles Angelo from Dragon Quest VIII. Could we fit that in there as well? D-Rock2048 (talk) 22:39, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
- It's noted on this page. ~ Serena Strawberry (talk) 22:44, August 1, 2019 (EDT)
