User talk:Quilt
Hey
Please don't edit other user's user pages like that. Also, check out SW:FIRST DoctorPain99 01:26, 21 August 2013 (EDT)
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To do
You generally can't edit other people's userpages without their permission, let alone rewrite the entire page. Scr7
(talk · contribs) 06:46, 31 August 2013 (EDT)
Your welcome
Don't welcome users that don't make any mainspace edits, and use the {{subst:welcome}} template to welcome them. Conny 
21:25, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Alright, that's enough. What exactly is wrong the way I greeted Spychicken? You could have added additional information that you felt was needed instead of removing my welcome altogether and subtituting your own. Spychicken explicitly stated that the major reason the account was made was to connect with other people, and as far as I know, not making contributions while using the account for miscellaneous purposes it not smiled upon across the wiki and Spychicken needed to know that and given an opportunity for an outlet before running head long into a guideline violation. Additionally, this comes right after attempting to derail another discussion topic I made. Start making constructive talk page edits. --Quilt (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Look, why the hell are you going to fret over this? First of all, I said to not welcome users with you own welcome and to use the template. And, why and go welcome a user who hasn't even made a proper mainspace edit? Then, should we welcome every single registered account? First, that welcome wasn't even welcoming at all, clearly you were talking about other subjects (such as the DDoS attacks which have no purpose in welcoming others). Secondly, don't include links to external sites with malicious and or are in poor taste, such as Reddit. Thirdly, the info you wanted to tell him is already stated in SW:FIRST in the welcome template. Fourthly, as stated previously, don't welcome users who made no edits at all. Quite frankly, why don't you abide by the standard? Conny
21:44, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Conny, I agree that the user should not have been welcomed this early, and that the template is much better at doing so. However, after looking at SW:TALK, the only thing about his welcome that should have been changed was his linking to Reddit. James
Heart 22:01, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Conny and I take issue with the general tone of Quilt's welcome, which was not a welcoming tone, but rather one that is antagonistic toward the SmashWiki and its policies, which are personal issues that should not be in a "welcome." As a minor side note, we shouldn't be talking about the DDoS, especially in a welcome. DoctorPain99 22:06, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- I did feel that too, but I do not think it's enough to flat-out change the welcome itself. Though, if you feel that the DDoS is that big of an issue (it was removed from other talk pages), I suppose you're justified in removing that part of the welcome. JamesHeart 22:11, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- In this case, we're going to follow the spirit of the policy rather than the letter of the policy. A welcome should be proper and welcoming more than Quilt's content should be archived. DoctorPain99 22:13, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- I did feel that too, but I do not think it's enough to flat-out change the welcome itself. Though, if you feel that the DDoS is that big of an issue (it was removed from other talk pages), I suppose you're justified in removing that part of the welcome. James
- Conny and I take issue with the general tone of Quilt's welcome, which was not a welcoming tone, but rather one that is antagonistic toward the SmashWiki and its policies, which are personal issues that should not be in a "welcome." As a minor side note, we shouldn't be talking about the DDoS, especially in a welcome. DoctorPain99 22:06, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Conny, I agree that the user should not have been welcomed this early, and that the template is much better at doing so. However, after looking at SW:TALK, the only thing about his welcome that should have been changed was his linking to Reddit. James
- Look, why the hell are you going to fret over this? First of all, I said to not welcome users with you own welcome and to use the template. And, why and go welcome a user who hasn't even made a proper mainspace edit? Then, should we welcome every single registered account? First, that welcome wasn't even welcoming at all, clearly you were talking about other subjects (such as the DDoS attacks which have no purpose in welcoming others). Secondly, don't include links to external sites with malicious and or are in poor taste, such as Reddit. Thirdly, the info you wanted to tell him is already stated in SW:FIRST in the welcome template. Fourthly, as stated previously, don't welcome users who made no edits at all. Quite frankly, why don't you abide by the standard? Conny
Do you guys (Conny and DoctorPain) even read what I write? I did mention a certain condition about the planned purpose of the user account. Also, I have never suggested that we greet all new accounts, it just so happened to pique my interest. The welcome was made within half an hour of the account being made and took all but a minute to actually write. I think my welcome sufficed - it even linked to the generic greeting, so there was no need to completely remove my greeting. Like I said, start making constructive page edits. The part where I talk about the DDoS is an admission that I could understand why Spychicken would think it is a good idea to turn to this site for socializing - it's one of the few major Smash sites unaffected by the DDoS attack, so he can't access or know about them, granted that is the case. Relating to others is a fundamental social skill, Conny, and it is crucial to successful communication and community building. If the greeting standard is so strict for greeting new users, why is the Welcome template not a part of the account creation process?
Also, DoctorPain, you say that my welcome is antagonist toward the SmashWiki and its policies. Are you talking about where I said, "Don't worry too much about mistakes on your first few edits on actual wiki pages, most users will assume you have good intentions,"? I must be incredibly antagonistic towards the greater SmashWiki to even fathom suggesting most people assume good faith. --Quilt (talk) 22:17, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- I'll spare you the generic greeting (found here)
- You'll probably run into some resistance from other members
- the recent DDoS attacks on other Smash websites
- a Smash Bros. Reddit community that is still functional not listed in the article.
- These are things that do not belong in a welcome in any fashion. Those things do not sound welcoming at all and sound more antagonistic toward use than anything. Also, we don't use automated welcoming because we only welcome users when they actually contribute, not 30 minutes after they make an account and not use it.
- In general, your bullshit needs to stop. Your holier than thou crap is really pissing me off and I kindly ask that you stop debating silly issues and telling us to make constructive page edits, when you are the one wasting our goddamn time by debating pointless shit. So, to be frank, shut up, and go practice what you preach. DoctorPain99 22:32, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- I don't feel like anything I have done constitutes wasting anyone's time; I didn't vandalize anything, so nothing really needed fixing, although it seems you did something to that effect - the removal of my comment which doesn't meet any criteria for removing comments as James has stated. Perhaps only the Reddit link could be something that warranted removal, but not the whole post. What you do with your own free time is none of my business and you have freely participated in this conversation - I in fact haven't reversed any of your or Conny's edits. As usual, your extreme anger is not warranted. --Quilt (talk) 22:41, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- What needed fixing was the ungeneric welcome, can you not understand that? Seriously, I didn't reverse you edit either, I replaced it since it wasn't a simple warm welcome at all, it was something completely different from what is the norm, but, I don't have the time to be wasting it on this any longer. With you not following the spirit of the law, clearly you yourself should see what is warranted and what isn't. Conny 22:46, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- What needed fixing was the ungeneric welcome, can you not understand that? Seriously, I didn't reverse you edit either, I replaced it since it wasn't a simple warm welcome at all, it was something completely different from what is the norm, but, I don't have the time to be wasting it on this any longer. With you not following the spirit of the law, clearly you yourself should see what is warranted and what isn't. Conny
- I don't feel like anything I have done constitutes wasting anyone's time; I didn't vandalize anything, so nothing really needed fixing, although it seems you did something to that effect - the removal of my comment which doesn't meet any criteria for removing comments as James has stated. Perhaps only the Reddit link could be something that warranted removal, but not the whole post. What you do with your own free time is none of my business and you have freely participated in this conversation - I in fact haven't reversed any of your or Conny's edits. As usual, your extreme anger is not warranted. --Quilt (talk) 22:41, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
@Quilt: In the future, use the standard welcome template. @Everyone else: You've made your point. Berating Quilt further is non-productive and edging into harassment. He made a decision, you explained why you disagree. That should be more than enough. Miles (talk) 23:19, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
- Miles don't be stupid, telling you a user to cut their shit out and explaining what they're doing wrong while responding to their retorts is not at all "harassment", especially when the other user is responding back with retorts.
