Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote on your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

	LADIES & GENTS! Come to the Smash Arena and vote on Round 132: Bayonetta vs. Sora!

Template:- {{SA Box}} - Smash Arena userbox; originally by Squallinoa 08, modified by Toomai. If you wish, place it on your user page. It will tell you the new fights as they happen.

Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Dream Land vs. Green Greens

Bright and colorful Kirby stages that both feature Whispy Woods as a hazard to all. Which green arena is more preferred? 71.105.121.171 16:16, 17 June 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Terrible is Ready for Summer 17:56, 17 June 2013 (EDT)
2. Scr7 11:18, 19 June 2013 (EDT)
3. Dots The Missingno. 12:52, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
4. YESH! DoctorPain99 13:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
5. 75.31.4.16 17:09, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Yoshi vs. King dedede

Both can eat people and then spit them out! Unlike Kirby, they can not get abilities, and unlike wario, they sallow them. Moomoos86 (talk) 07:45, 18 June 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I was rather in the middle for a while, but I now oppose this simply because of capitalization and spelling errors.71.105.121.171 23:57, 21 June 2013 (EDT)
2. ...What? Terrible is Ready for Summer 10:11, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
3. lolwut Scr7 10:26, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
4. Um... this doesn't make sense? Dots The Missingno. 12:52, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
5. Hm, nah 13:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT) DoctorPain99 13:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Pikachu (SSB) vs. Meta Knight (SSBB)

Both of these characters are in their own tier at the top of the tier list of their respective game, and are frequently considered overpowered. Which one is more liked? Scr7 03:22, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Why not? I was hoping for a battle involving these two.71.105.121.171 11:23, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
2. Both have "perfect" matchups. Mr. Anontalk 13:30, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
3. Yeah, Fox is the one not on the same level as Pikachu and Meta Knight, Dots. DoctorPain99 13:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
4. I guess I can give this a try. Dots The Hammer 14:22, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Comments

I'm neutral on this. True both Pikachu and MK are the clear best of their own respective games and it will be interesting how they can fair against each other but we already have a Fox (SSBM) vs. MK (SSBB) match. Plus Pikachu isn't at the same dominance level as Fox and Meta Knight. Dots The Missingno. 12:52, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Well SSB64 has much less professional players than Melee and Brawl and it isn't as well known. Scr7 13:02, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

What's also notable that Pikachu and Meta Knight stayed number 1 on all tier lists whereas Fox replaced Sheik around the 5th or 7th tier list 173.79.214.38 13:13, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Just to chime in, but you're wrong Dots about Pikachu "not having the same dominance level as Fox". Pika was always considered the best to a degree where he's seen well and above the rest of the cast, while it took a while for Fox to barely get the #1 spot and even then his hold there is getting pretty disputed. While Fox is the most abundant characters in Melee tournaments, Foxes have much less tournament wins than multiple characters below him. Additionally there haven't ever been a top solo Fox that was considered the best player in Melee or even in consideration for it. A lot of Fox's lofty status comes from heavy theorycraft about how good he would be if a player had perfect tech skill, rather than actual results.

A Smash64 Pika vs Brawl MK is a better matchup for "best Smash character". Omega Tyrant 13:24, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Oh. So in that case this is not popularity based. Its based on how good a character does on tournaments. Sorry. Dots The Peaceful 14:17, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Yeah. Also SSB64 Pikachu has absolutely no disadvantageous or even matchups, while MK can be considered to have no even matchups (but right now he has one) Scr7 14:19, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

At least no disadvantageous matchups for MK. Dots The Hammer 14:22, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Same with Melee Fox and Falco. Actually that's got nothing to do with this Scr7 14:23, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Villager (SSB4) vs. Mega Man (SSB4) vs. Wii Fit Trainer (SSB4)

The first three announced newcomers to join Smash! Which no0b gets the most hype? infernape612 11:09, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. Normally I would be opposed to any Smash 4 newcomers vs. anyone else match before the release of Smash 4, but I think this can be an exception, regarding their status of being who was revealed for the Smash 4 trailer (which also won't be that relevant anymore by the time of Smash 4's release). Omega Tyrant 13:26, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
2. Eh, why not? Less relevant fights get in, and this is a decent suggestion... DoctorPain99 13:38, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
3. Dots The Peaceful 14:17, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
4. I think this would be an okay fight. Scr7 14:20, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
5. Might as well get this one done before the release of the next game(s), or the similarity will be insignificant.71.105.121.171 14:55, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
6. 75.31.4.16 17:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Personally, I think we should wait until the game is released to have a match with Smash 4 newcomers. JamesHeart 12:12, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
2. What James said 173.79.214.38 13:06, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Comments

1. I haven't been to SA in a while due to a probation threat - if this has already been suggested in the past few weeks, I'll get rid of it. infernape612 11:09, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

No, this hasn't been suggested before, so there's no need to get rid of your suggestion.71.105.121.171 11:30, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Samus vs. Ridley

Since the SSE, Ridley has been seeking revenge. Now they go one-on-one! (without Pikachu getting in the way) Who will win? The bounty hunter or the space pirate? Kirbyman (talk) 14:21, 22 June 2013 (EDT)

Support

1. A protagonist vs villain fight that hasn't been done before? This isn't a bad idea actually. Scr7 14:22, 22 June 2013 (EDT)
2. We haven't had any protagonist vs antagonist matches in a while, so this would do.71.105.121.171 14:45, 22 June 2013 (EDT)