Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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NOTE: Do NOT edit each section individually. Edit the entire page as a whole if you are going to be commenting on more than one suggestion.

This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights.
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Don't vote for your own suggestion. You automatically vote for it if you suggest it.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight.
• You can remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine; just don't replace, add, or remove combatants.
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page. If you place them at the top, they may be lost.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done; currently no repeat fights are permitted.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once.
• In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. Reposting it after time has passed is generally a bad idea, since if it's already in the queue it's a waste of time, and if it was rejected the first time chances are it will remain that way. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• And finally, do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on which would win.

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue is designed to attempt to balance out fights so that participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Melee Marth vs. Brawl Marth

One's from Melee, the others from Brawl, the buffs and nerfs to Marth have been controversial over whether he is better, or worse in Brawl. What do YOU think?--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 22:45, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. coool----luke5176
2. No surprise that many people are shooting it down, but what makes this matchup interesting to me is that it's hugely debatable if Melee Marth or Brawl Marth is better. Marth got some big changes (most notably, shorter reach in all attacks) in his moveset and play style, yet managed to remain among the best characters. I personally would like to see a matchup involving a character's Melee and Brawl incarnation, and this is the second best that could be done. Though seeing people's tendency to label such matchups as matchups between "the same character", I doubt such a matchup would ever be done until every other idea is done. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Support -- This could work out, they're the same characters, but different playstyles in two totally different games. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Why not? Mr. Anon (talk) 20:24, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
5. I have not been here long enough perhaps, but this fight sounds original. I would like to see the outcome of this fight. Green Mario 02:16, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Somehow I get the feeling this wouldn't be a good fight. I dunno, maybe it's just that, to me, the differences between the two contestants aren't tangible enough? That, and not everyone has played Melee... Fuddlebob (talk) 07:26, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Brawl's Marth is basically Melee's Marth carried over to Brawl! There's no point in voting over the same thing! Mastersword (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. They just seem too similar. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. In order for this to work, we would probably have to do all the other characters that made it in both Melee and Brawl. --24.11.24.139 06:54, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. no, it's like A vs A! not fun!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 07:23, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. No. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Too similar to even work as a match. All that would matter is whether or not you like Brawl more than Melee :/ MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. Just don´t like it. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Question: Can guests make their own suggestions and vote on others too? --24.11.24.139 06:25, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

IPs can make suggestions. To remind, an IP can do essentially anything a normal user can on this Wiki except requesting additional powers such rollback and adminship. Omega Tyrant 07:43, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Ok. --24.11.24.139 06:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

@Mastersword, no there are multiple differences to every character that has returned in brawl from melee.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 22:35, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

I like the IDEA of this fight, but like I said above, the differences aren't tangible enough to me to make it worth a smash arena battle... I know there are differences, but I never use Marth anyway. Fuddlebob (talk) 08:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Although they might not be different enough in your opinion, they are different enough to have heated debates within communities which, in my opinion, has enough reason to see what the users at smashwiki think about marth's nerfs and buffs that have let him sit on a place very close to his original tier spot in melee.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 08:27, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Fourside vs. New Pork City

Which city is better? The grand metropolis Fourside? Or the tyrant's city of New Pork City? --Unknown the Hedgehog 23:16, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. They both seem to have a cool stage element. Fourside has a UFO while New Pork City has the Ultimate Chimera. Mastersword (talk) 22:18, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Battle of the Mother cities. Good idea. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I don't see why not. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Mother is simply awesome. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Good idea, it could work. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. I don't know whether you guys have played the Earthbound games or not, but these places are very parallel to each other in Earthbound and Mother 3. In both games, they serve as the point where Pokey/Porky is introduced as a major villain. Both are references to New York City through their tall towers, music, and name. Mr. Anon (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Both stages are cities that are home to the same character, they're too similar. But wait, one has a UFO while the other has a Chimera, they're too different. The stages are also too big, there is too much going on in this fight, voters will get confused! This fight won't work! This suggestion is horrible, how can you guys possibly support this?! Omega Tyrant 17:14, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
2. They both suck. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
3. These stages are from the same series, are you mad!--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 19:30, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Are you making fun of me, Omega Tyrant? Mr. Anon (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

It's a jab at multiple users who oppose for inconsistent reasoning :p Omega Tyrant 05:04, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Olimar vs. Mr. Game & Watch

Two of the slightly more odd characters in Brawl, one is retro, and the other has a spaceship! The first and the last characters in All-Star Mode battle it out! Fuddlebob (talk) 02:32, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Cool, so it's like the Alpha and Omega? i like it! and both have a long round nose like Mario, too!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Unless I'm mistaken, Olimar is the newest character to be incorporated into SSB, and G&W is the oldest. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I like the idea of a battle between old and new. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Seems OK to me. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. I like the idea of the oldest character series vs. the newest. Unknown the Hedgehog 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Will new beat the old? Or will the old come back to haunt the new? I'm supporting to find out. Mastersword (talk) 00:42, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Battle of the old and the newest. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. So basically, the very first series goes against the very last. Interesting... --24.11.24.139 16:45, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Two guys with giant noses. Who wins? I want to know. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
10. You can just never predict these two guys. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Technically Lucario is the newest character in Brawl considering Diamond and Pearl was released in 2006, while Pikmin was released in 2001. But this fight can still work since the Pikmin series is the newest universe in Brawl (excluding the series that are newer, but don't have a playable character, like the DS universe or the Electroplankton universe. Unknown the Hedgehog 14:20, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Actually wouldn't Ike be the newest in brawl seeing that the nintendo chronicle says his game was released in 2008.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 08:29, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Path of Radiance was the first game Ike appeared in, which came out in 2005. Omega Tyrant 08:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Infantry and Tanks vs. Excitebike

Two assist trophies that goes patrolling on the ground, on the Advance Wars' side, the red armies use power of cannon and machine gun to blow you away with a decent damage. On the other hand, the riders are using the power of speed to ram the opponents so they suffer rapid damages or taking them down with him. Will the trained armies shot down another group, or will the trained bikers outrace the city-capturers? Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 04:41, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. I support--Wolf rulez! Playtime's over! 05:46, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. It'd be even better if Lakitu and Spinies were thrown in there too. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
3. They're also both assist trophies that appear as sprites in SSBB. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. gr8t matchup125.161.67.202 07:50, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Great idea. Why didn't I think of it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
6. I can't say no to this206.53.152.102 22:36, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Good idea, the pixel with wheel! Kirbythe Amazing 23:39, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
8. All of the above, and below if more are added. Mastersword (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Pixels that run around the stage. It could very well work. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
10. Very nice idea. Fuddlebob (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
11. They are assist trophies that control the ground and overwhelm the opponent in swarms. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
12. Nice. I want more Assist Trophies fights. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
13. Per everyone. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
14. It would be appropriate. --199.185.67.18 11:48, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

WOW! so many supports! thanks!Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Fox vs. Wolf

Two rivals. Their special moves and Final Smashes are almost the same. Star Fox vs. Star wolf! Wolf rulez! Playtime's over! 07:57, 16 April 2011 (EDT)Wolf rulez!

Support

1. I'm surprised this hasn't been done already. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Why hasn't it been done before? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Sure, something classic for once, why not? Fuddlebob (talk) 19:47, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. I'm in favour, but has this been done already? Mastersword (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. How could this have been missed <_< MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. They are rivals in universe, so I suppose that makes it an automatic Smash Arena matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. k, whatever, I like a rival match. ..... A Golden 09:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. It has to be made it, they´re rivals. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
9. It's amazing that people have missed this.-Ivy73 18:33, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
10. Per every vote except slightly #4. --24.11.24.139 21:05, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
11. How has this not been done? HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
12. i was actually going to suggest this, but I forgot -.- and since somebody already suggest this, I'll vote. It's not really surprising though, since rival fight like this have almost never been suggested.... Lucasthefourth PK Chu! 14:41, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

All Melee Newcomers fight against each other

Melee had the best characters. Lets do it!! Also, we did this for the original. Not doing it for melee leaves something feel missing. Mastersword (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. I don't agree with the sentiment that this is "too many choices", the battle of all characters in the original Smash Bros. had 12 and still generated a lot of votes and a decisive winner. This matchup would have 13 (14 if you're going to consider Zelda/Sheik separate choices), and 1 or 2 more choices than the last big match would not result in a sudden choice overload. However, this is a matchup that is best saved for a special round (perhaps round 100?) rather than being just another matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. I dont think any of the deleted characters should be in this round because there could be a match with them. But melee is the best, so you probably should. If this is good, do it in round 100 68.197.115.28 10:34, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. This should be done only in a special roud like Omega Tyrant said. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Crazy idea, will probably bring about a lot of popularity. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Overload in number of choices. MegaTron1XD 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Grr... no way. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. The SSB64 one was supposed to be an unexpected one-time super-special bonus round. Having another would just make the first less significant. There is little special about the Melee newcommers, whereas the Original 12 serve as the protagonists of Nintendo's most popular series. Mr. Anon (talk) 21:04, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Actually read the rules, as you aren't to vote for your suggestion and you're supposed to sign the suggestion. MegaTron1XD 11:27, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Mewtwo vs. Roy vs. Dr. Mario vs. Young Link vs. Pichu

The five characters from Melee who didn't return in Brawl. Dr. 8-Bit (talk) 15:07, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. This idea is like a smaller version of the All Melee Newcomer Character fight. Still lots of choices, though. Mastergameandwatch (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Battle of the rejects. Cool idea. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. YES YES YES YES YES!!!!! Mastersword (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. The matchup of the Brawl rejects generates interest from me. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. these guys rule!!!!. great suggestion dr. 8 bit68.197.115.28 10:35, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Good idea, this could be a nice fight.
7. The Rejected Five. Nice. --24.11.24.139 21:08, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. These guys were some of my favorites from Melee T_T. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Battle of the clones? The clone wars? Yes, even Mewtwo. Fuddlebob (talk) 01:27, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Too large a fight. The Pokemon Trainer guys was a special fight. Mr. Anon (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

@Oppose Vote #1: What about all the SS64 characters match-up? Wasn't that more than 2 contestants fighting? --24.11.24.139 16:45, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Again, that was a special round. Mr. Anon (talk) 20:24, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

And there's no more special rounds ever happening again? Omega Tyrant 05:05, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Well special rounds should be up to Toomai if they are to ever happen (so they will be a surprise). The point of the 12 character round was so that is was something unexpected (as well as being commererative of that game since it was round 64). Mr. Anon (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

And what reason is there for Toomai not having another special round? What reason do you have to believe all subsequent rounds will be standard rounds that don't have large matchups? People shown an interest in large matchups before, and they are showing it again, why deny them what they want? Round 100 is also not too far off, you're honestly going to say that we should just have another standard 1 on 1 rather than a matchup between all Melee newcomers to commemorate the 100th edition of the Smash Arena? Omega Tyrant 06:00, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Port Town Aero Dive vs. Mario Circuit

Nintendo racetracks with player crashing cars meet together. Mastergameandwatch (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. This would make for an interesting fight. 110.174.90.69 05:37, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. All right then. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Why not? Mastersword (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Pure gimmick racing against racing with boosts and obstacles. It can work. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. we all can get hit by cars and karts :xLucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:14, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. The hit-run courses. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Though I think everyone knows the outcome... PORT TOWN ALL THE WAY I support. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
8. I like Mario Kart way more than F-Zero, though. Oh well. I would like this fight. These two are related. Green Mario 02:20, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Both are tracks appearing in Brawl, so this would work. I know who I would vote for... but still, great match-up! --24.11.24.139 11:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Giant DK vs. Metal Mario

Two fighters that can take ridiculous amounts of damage Mastersword (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. They were the two "mid bosses" in the original's 1P mode, and would represent the battle between giant characters and metal characters. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. I'm supporting anything that's a throwback to the original. Very interesting idea. Fuddlebob (talk) 07:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Enough with the idiotic users opposing good fights for little or no reason, this fight should happen since they are both the only other characters aside from master hand that could be classified as bosses, not to mention they technically appear in every smash game! Let the "mid-boss" battle begin!--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 11:25, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. I like it. Both were pain in the butts back in SSB and SSBM. -Ivy73 11:32, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. The "boss characters" of the original´s 1P mode, who´s the best? Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. "He's bigger, faster, stronger too! If he hits ya, it's gonna hurt!" <--- that'll be my vote. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Just don't like this. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Both can be thrown off the stage, so your statement is irrelevant. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. I can't really agree on thisLucasthefourth Spartan birds 08:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Too stupid68.197.115.28 10:39, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. No no no! Metal Mario has actual significance in the Mario series. Giant Donkey Kong however, is just an exaggeration of DK's already large size, meant to serve as a challenging Mini-boss (similar to the team of light Kirbies). Mr. Anon (talk) 21:07, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Per 2nd and 5th votes. --24.11.24.139 17:05, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

They CAN be thrown, but it's actually quite hard. Sorta. Mastersword (talk) 02:51, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

@Anon Significance in the Smash series is much more important here than significant in the character's own series. Omega Tyrant 02:54, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Lucas & Ness vs Mario & Luigi

Two groups of two that have almost exactly the same Special moves, while Lucas & Ness is different on their normal special move, Mario & Luigi is different on their Down Special move. The main characters is brave and are more positive, and the sidekicks is more shy, but secretly can be more special. On the tier list, Luigi and Ness are on the D rank, and Lucas and Mario on the E rank, they need to prove which pair is better. 125.161.67.202 07:46, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. YES for thisLucasthefourth Spartan birds 07:48, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. YES. This is WIN. I seriously don't get why this hasn't been a battle yet! --24.11.24.139 08:34, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Heck yes! Even Luigi and Ness are need to be unlocked! Kirbythe Amazing 23:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Amazing suggestion! one of each is cool and the other lame68.197.115.28 16:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. This could work. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Tese guys rulio68.197.115.28 15:03, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
7. I guess this can be done with a bunch of other characters, but this seems interesting. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. The pairs have nothing in common. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:10, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
2. NO! NO! NO! NO! Mastersword (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Pairs with specials? Why not just add the other semi-clones and actual clones while you're at it. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Incredible NO for reasons stated above.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 04:50, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Mario and Luigi are brothers. Ness and Lucas never met and are from different time periods in the Mother series. There are more differences in this fight than similarities. Unknown the Hedgehog 18:43, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. I REALLY hate it when people make comparisons of the Earthbound characters when they haven't even played the games. Ness and Lucas are NOT brothers. Nor are they friends, allies, or associates. They don't even appear in the same game. Even their stats are different; Ness uses more offensive attacks, while Lucas relies more on his PK Love. The Mario Bros., on the other hand, were originally just recolors of each other. Mr. Anon (talk) 21:10, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Saying these two have "almost the exact same special moves" is a gross exaggeration, especially when two of the Mario Bros.' specials are not related in any way, while the other two have stark differences. A matchup of two teams of characters from the same franchise does not make a matchup anymore interesting, unless said matchup would have something significant/interesting. Anon already pointed out how Ness and Lucas are just two characters from the same franchise and nothing more. The two teams here have no notable comparisons/contrasts, and the tier list coincidence is not notable to me as none of the characters' tier positions have significant meaning. Omega Tyrant 15:01, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
8. Ahem..... Mario never had a move called "red missile", nor did Luigi have his own cape. BOTH Mario's and Luigi's down specials AND side specials are different. And Lucas and Ness didn't even appear in the same Earthbound game, so they couldn't be sidekicks. Plus, the idea of 2vs.2 is confusing. Will this go into the statistics? Mastergameandwatch (talk) 16:33, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

to mr Anon. I thought hesay ' pairs' and ' group' not ' brothers'--Lucasthefourth PK Chu! 14:34, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

75M vs. Mario Bros.

The two retro stages clash in a battle to see which will win. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Spoings against Koopas and Crabs makes me wonder. MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Both stages are involved in the origin of Mario. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. if you asked me why, i asked you back: why not?Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 08:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Fight between two annoying stages. I want to know. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Per Vote #2. --24.11.24.139 16:47, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Both horridly broken, but in a good way. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
7. When the other have turtles and crabs, the other one have trampolines, hothead, and DK pixel. Sounds fun Kirbythe Amazing 09:34, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Just don't like this. Mastersword (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Red Koopa vs. Green Paratroopa

Both of them are the opposite colors of what they usually are, and they both have differences to their regular colored counterparts. Who wins the match of the opposite colored turtles? -Ivy73 13:53, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. I just don't like it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. While I'm not one to label things as "the same", there is little to differentiate between the two koopas in the Smash games to get one to prefer one koopa to the other, which could very well end as simply being a matchup to pick your color preference. Currently, they don't even have separate articles on the SmashWiki :/ Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Although this has not been done yet, it basically is a battle between red and green - which do you like more. --24.11.24.139 16:41, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. They aren´t that important. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. If this was MarioWiki, probably, but here they're just enemies you attack for five seconds. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

1. I.... don't know. Much like the Marth battle at the top of the page, but it would be cool to see some turtles other than Squirtle in the arena. Mastersword (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Super Dragon vs. Volt Tackle vs. Super Sonic

They have poor handling, they are powerful, they are trouble for another character, they will make problem to the user if the move finished under the main platform, and they are Final Smash! Which will win? The fire breathing dragon, the ball of electricy, or the light speed hedgehog? Kirbythe Amazing 21:43, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Eh, i guess it worksLuke5176 (talk) 11:20, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. It's OK, but it doesn't make sense when you throw Yoshi's in there, as it does have more handling. Mastersword (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Yoshi's is a lot easier to handle. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 01:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. You can control Super Dragon :L MegaTron1XD 01:59, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Perhaps a matchup between Super Dragon and Super Sonic, or Volt Tackle and Super Sonic will do, but I don't see much point in throwing all three into the same matchup. Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Why the three? It isn´t necessary. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. It's obvious what the outcome will be, Super Dragon has no chance. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
7. It's preetty much obvious Super Sonic would take this one. I'd prefer Super Dragon vs. Volt Tackle. --24.11.24.139 11:56, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

Ok, so can I make a suggestion with only Super Sonic and Volt Tackle after the suggestion became clear again? I want these battle, but it seems a bad idea to add Super Dragon -_-". And, after about 3 months, I'll add this suggestion WITHOUT Super Dragon. Is that okay because it's not same? Super Dragon vs. Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle =/= Super Sonic vs. Volt Tackle btw Kirbythe Amazing 08:09, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

If you wish, you are allowed to adjust your current suggestion, and remove Super Dragon. Make a note in the edit summary however about it. Omega Tyrant 08:28, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Umm, i was wondering about voting, i mean if KTA have change the suggestion, i would support. if not yet, i'll oppose, what should i do?Lucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:02, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

You can oppose for now, and if he adjusts the suggestion, you can change your vote accordingly. Omega Tyrant 09:24, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

You cannot edit the participants of a suggestion after people have voted on it, but you can remove it yourself at any time, and once a week has passed since you made this suggestion you can make a new one. It's okay to make a suggestion that's similar to a recently-rejected one; just not identical. Toomai Glittershine The Different 17:43, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, and from the rules that says "if there is 15 suggestion already, it's better no add more" or something like that (I'm too lazy to copy it). And, from my look, it looks like about 10 battle will be accepted, and that means 2,5 months to wait they drain out. Looks like I have to wait, again I guess. Kirbythe Amazing 07:47, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Melee Falco vs. Brawl Falco

Now before you shoot this suggestion down saying "oh it's a fight between the same character, boooriiing", consider this;

• Falco saw the most changes between Melee and Brawl, going through large changes atheistically and large changes in his moveset.
• Falco saw nerfs in some areas, saw buffs in some areas, and saw complete changes in others, changing his playstyle quite drastically.
• Falco is currently the only character who is considered top tier in both games (Marth used to be as well, until his tier demotion in the recent Melee tier list).
• Falco is the most debatable character on whether he is better or worse overall in the transition to Brawl.

So, will you deride this matchup for "involving the same character", or will you like to see which incarnation of Falco has larger fan approval? Omega Tyrant 04:19, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Greatly support, this has been debated for a while whether falco has been buffed of nerfed more, there was even a time when Falco was the same number on the melee and brawl tier lists.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 04:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. For players who really cares to seek and have some experiment in Melee and Brawl, this must be an important battle! So, how can people say "no" to this, even I don't play Melee! And, from your words, it looks like lots of nerf and buff happened. Well then, call me stupid because even I don't play Melee, but I care about this! Kirbythe Amazing 08:22, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. 'K, let's just say this is like the melee vs brawl marth. WRONG! Melee marth and brawl marth=totally lookalike. melee falco and brawl falco, not so lookalike. pretty interesting duhLucasthefourth Spartan birds 09:11, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. WoT's...too...powerful...-Ivy73 09:49, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Awesome suggestion.Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Mr. Anon (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Similar to the Marth battle suggested up there, I support. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Sorry but even with your detailed description of why they are different, I still think that fighting yourself is stupid. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 18:04, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Are you guys insane? Falco vs Falco? Mastersword (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Comments

@Solar Dragon and Mastersword: You guys do realise the Smash Arena is a popularity contest and not actual fights? Also, technically, they are not the same character in the Smash series, but rather, different incarnations (for them to be the "same Smash character", they would have to be in the same Smash game, and have every single thing about them exactly identical). Now perhaps provide an oppose reason other than "oh it's the same character" that I already pointed out won't suffice? :p

And Mastersword, calling people insane for supporting this matchup with logical reasoning doesn't make your oppose case any stronger. Omega Tyrant 03:06, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Everyone wants ssbm falco vs ssbb falco but not ssbm marth vs ssbb marth. Thats creepy68.197.115.28 15:05, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Sonic vs. Luigi

Both are the runner-ups; one in the real universe, the other in his own. Who will be victorious? The lean, green machine? Or the super sonic psuedo-porcupine? Critical Hit, and... KO! 15:20, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Um, the runner-ups to what?-Ivy73 15:26, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Dun get it. MegaTron1XD 16:10, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Too many opposites. Plus, I have no idea what you're talking about. --24.11.24.139 16:48, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
4. are you kidding me? they are NOT both runner ups and was a stupid suggestion68.197.115.28 16:56, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
5. What? Didn´t get it. Zero (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Not enough minerals or i dont get it. ..... A Golden 17:30, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Huh? ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 17:47, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
8. ............. Why not? Look at the above reasons, and below if more are added. Mastersword (talk) 02:50, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
9. Same us MasterswordLucasthefourth PK Chu! 07:51, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
10. Uh, Tails vs Luigi maybe, but not the ego-freak cash cow Vs. the eternal second banana. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
11. Rewording the intro would be nice, as many of us don't know what you mean with the "runner up" thing. And outside of whatever that part means, these two lack notable compare/contrasts, and all in all this seems just to be a random matchup to me. Omega Tyrant 06:21, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Congo Jungle vs Jungle Japes

Congo Jungle utilizes the amazing graphics and sounds of classic jungle levels of Donkey Kong Country, a personal childhood favorite of mine. Plus, it's hella fun to launch your foe into a beautiful background with occasional vulture cameos. Finally, Giant Donkey Kong takes a stand here in the original SSB.

Jungle Japes' scenery more based upon everyone's favorite fourth-wall breaker, Cranky Kong in his Cabin, comes complete with another amazing sunset, water, and a super long ceiling. Not to mention, the DK Rap! Oh, and the Giant DK makes another return here. HavocReaper 18:01, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. Why not? They're both from DK, they're interesting stages, and I'd like to see who comes on top. This counts as my reason, as well as reasons below if more are added. Mastersword (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
2. Support this battle will be epic! Not only are these stages from the Donkey Kong series but they are also the stages which he has his highest matchups on.--Shaun's Wiji Dodo talk 19:35, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Da epicness. MegaTron1XD 23:07, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
4. Seems good to me. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:53, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Both DK stages, both epic. Zero (talk) 05:09, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
6. IF YOU KNOW THE WORDS, YOU CAN JOIN IN TOO. -Ivy73 16:13, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
7. Extreme support! Both rivals are from DK and they're both stages! They have huge similarities. --24.11.24.139 17:47, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

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Kirby vs. King Dedede

COME. ON. Brawlingbrian mains 18:10, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Support

1. It's the inflatable puffball versus the bigger, greedier inflatable penguin. Interesting. That counts as my reason, as well as below if more are added. Mastersword (talk) 18:48, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
2. They both have a hammer! 206.53.152.105 22:24, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
3. Now I'm surprised because this battle just been suggested now. Kirbythe Amazing 22:53, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
4. For reason number 3. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:52, 21 April 2011 (EDT)
5. Another rivalry, they both have gone to a Gourmet race, fighting each other, helping each other, and eat each otherLucasthefourth PK Chu! 01:04, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
6. Similar to the Fox vs. Wolf suggestion, I don't really find this suggestion interesting and thoughtful, but being rivals/main protagonist vs. main antagonist makes it an automatic Smash Arena matchup in my eyes. Omega Tyrant 06:21, 22 April 2011 (EDT)