User talk:Semicolon/Requests for Adminship Proposal

A "hiring policy" and the ramifications associated with it have never been my primary concern at this wiki, but I should point out that enforcing one wherein the "RfAs never close" and wherein the winner is decided by a tally of votes, regardless of where they come from and how they are substantiated by the voter, is essentially dooming the wiki to hire every person who wants adminship and has friends to vote for them until the end of time. Under these rules, we'd already have four or five new sysops, including GalaxiaD. And wouldn't that be a party. --RJM ^Talk 20:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

That's why the sysops have editorial input, because no nomination can be open without the sponsorship of a current admin. Semicolon (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

What are you talking about? That's just the way it works around here. Besides, GalaxiaD can't become a sysop, thanks to you banning him. He's automatically ruled out. Now, if I may ask, how did you become a sysop, Randall? Didn't you become through this process as well? MarioGalaxy {talk} 21:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your attitude problem is with me, MarioGalaxy. I don't really know anything about you, but I have to assume that you've been introduced to this wiki through Galaxia and his buddies and they have the tendency to villify me, so I'm not surprised. But try to understand that I'm really not so bad; I'm just interested in using this wiki as a authoritative source of smash-related information instead of a personal playground for users who don't contribute to actual content. This website is not a message board. It's not free webspace; it exists for a reason. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

But to answer your question, this is how I became a sysop: SmashWiki:Requests_for_adminship/Randall00 and no, it wasn't under this process, because this is only a proposal. Back then, SmashWiki was a very different place and it needed fixing, which is why I became a sysop. Then we merged into Wikia and instead of fixing things, I've more or less been picking up trash ever since. It's frustrating. I used to put a lot of time, effort and pride into this project and it's been reduced to a bunch of teenagers yelling at me as though I'm just on some crazy power trip and the only reason I have adminship is to ban people for no reason. I do have better things to do with my time. Please try to understand my point of view here. --RJM ^Talk 21:23, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Randall, you are so off that it isn't even funny. I didn't know GalaxiaD when I joined Wikia. I started at Wikitroid. First of all, you've banned 5 Users in a short period of time, half of them from the Cult of Personality. I wasn't a part of the original SmashWiki, I'm from the Wikia side of this website. What's sad about you, no insult/offense intended, is that you're banning members of a crew who's former leader is 14 years old. You're 24 years old! The Users you banned probably don't even know that (they're confused about your real name, so I don't think they've read your Smasher page). Before SmashWiki merged with Smash Wikia, it wasn't that chaotic around here. Users weren't banned, not many people really hated each other, etc. Now, thanks to you banning everybody, several admins are coming out of hiatus and arguing against regular Users. You said that keeping the bans permanent would stop this. The permanent bans STARTED this. If you could, you'd probably ban everyone who doesn't like you. To end this, I'd just like to say this: No insults/offense intended. If you have anything to say, go ahead. MarioGalaxy {talk} 21:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, don't respond. Our conversation is driving away from the point of this section of Semicolon's talk page. MarioGalaxy {talk} 21:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It's cool, the conversation is over--all I gotta do is point out that permanent bans don't happen for no reason, therefore they can't possibly be the "start" of anything. Then there's nothing else to say. --RJM ^Talk 21:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

multi-edit conflict A quote I rather like:

Vote tallies are just asking for users to

1. gather all their wikifriends and get them to vote support and then, if needed
2. get all their RL friends to register and vote support, or if they're really desperate
3. register sockpuppets
   

and when the 'crats don't promote them they cry "omgwtf y u not promote me policy says so!!1!one!" Other than that: paragraph 1 looks fine. But a week seems a bit short when the sysops are complaining of lack of time. Why set a definitive timetable anyway? What does it accomplish? And I don't understand the line about RFAs never close. --Shadowcrest 21:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

RfA's are already a vote process, except it's even worse because it's decided on a whim. This change sthat. All the wiki friends are already mobilized to support each other, but just because that is doesn't disqualify their opinions. The sysops already have their input. If they sponsor a candidate, they recognize that a candidate has the understanding, dedication and capability. If the community disagrees, this is overruled. Sleeper accounts and unestablished users are disqualified. That should be an amendment. And the timetable is to ensure the process doesn't drag on, that the community decides, and that is the way Wikipedia does it. If a nomination drags on forever, then there is so much clutter and useless time and effort and space wasted on it. A week keeps it concise and to the point. As far as RfA's never closing, under this system, they don't need to. If sysops are needed, a sponsorships will be conferred to decide the best candidate. As far as people whining about not getting sponsorships, that is easily ignored or taken care of, by the motivation that if whining is necessary, a sponsorship shouldn't be conferred in the first place. And as far as the sysops not having time, then perhaps more sysops are needed. But, since the current sysops keep saying that there aren't, I'd say that isn't good justification. Semicolon (talk) 21:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Then why do we even have a Poll Template? MarioGalaxy {talk} 21:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Reread the first line of the quote. And then, I assume it was added when you merged to wikia, whether you wanted it or not. --Shadowcrest 21:15, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm not gonna make a debate here, so talk to Randall. I was asking him a question, he didn't answer it, so you talk to him. MarioGalaxy {talk} 21:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

You gave me 18 minutes to respond, dude. :^) I don't live here. --RJM ^Talk 21:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Um not that I fully understand the current system (or the new one Semicolon is trying to put in for that matter) but why no tmake this like the presidential voting process? We treat the smashwiki community like the public vote and the sysops like the electoral college. Just a small and not very thought out suggestion.--Oxico (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)