Talk:Ganon, The Demon King

Continuity Error

Should it be mentioned that while Ganondorf lacks his glowing scar from Twilight Princess, Beast Ganon has it? The Inker 01:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ganondorf's, Zelda's, and Link's design is supposed to represent the series as a whole. It is worth being mentioned, however.Nintendofan146 20:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Small error in description

Ganondorf actually can kill himself with this move. If used on top of a falling block platform with nothing below him, the block will fall during the final smash animation and after the final smash has occured, Ganondorf will be warped to the location of the block (i.e. off the screen) and SD.

Was that right?

I just added a trophy picture. Did i do it right? It was my first time, so I just wanted to know if that was right. ~Darkness (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy cntrbs 20:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. ~Darkness (talk) 06:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Move

I oppose moving the page, and instead I would propose that the pages be split on the grounds that the final smash in Ultimate seems to be quite distinct from the old final smash in Brawl and SSB4. Alex the Jigglypuff trainer 17:42, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

I Support moving the page, and oppose a split. VoqéoT 19:20, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

I Support the split. George Jones (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

I've already explained this to you, Alex: the same move does not deserve a page split. A design change doesn't mean it's a different Final Smash altogether. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 23:51, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

See, making a claim that it "seems to be" distinct already disproves its validity. SmashWiki is not speculative. That said, I support moving the page. DracoRex, Creator of the Land 00:10, 10 July 2018 (EDT)

Maintain page under current title for now; if the two moves have no substantial gameplay difference, move to the SSBU name after we're sure it's finalized. Miles (talk) 18:19, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm going to make it a redirect for the time being, since it is a name that Sakurai and Nintendo are using. We will wait until the official release of the game to move it over. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 00:00, 12 July 2018 (EDT)

I Support moving and oppose a split. I don't think there's really much to wait for, we've seen the entirety of the final smash. If it does end up being changed in a major way, which I doubt, then we can move it accordingly. Pokebub (talk) 04:25, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

I've seen this debate before, specifically on the Doom Wiki. The final boss of Doom 1 was renamed from "Spiderdemon" to "Spider Mastermind" when it reappeared in Doom 2. Doom Wiki decided that their wiki policy was that articles would be named after the earliest name, in this case Spiderdemon. Now we have this debate again in the Smash Wiki. Will we stick to the earliest name out of principle? The most recent name? Will we pick the name that Nintendo declares is official? Most likely not that last one, given how many other articles are referred to by their most common fandom name (Tech over Breakfall, L-Cancel over Smooth Landing) so will we use that as the policy going forward? 99.46.176.64 19:13, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

SmashWiki is not official, but in the context of a moveset, we don't take fannames. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 21:38, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

"We don't take fannames" Although you have. And yes, I did read the article you linked. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like it will help us, because now we have two official names instead of an official-vs-fanname. So, are we going to be like Doom Wiki and use the earliest official? 99.46.176.64 15:33, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

He said "in the context of a moveset". Those techniques aren't part of a basic moveset. A character's moveset is officially defined as any tilts, smash attacks, special attacks, aerials, get up attacks, etc. All these you linked are not part of a basic moveset. Although a gentleman can be considered a part of Falcon's moveset, it's only that, not an official full move. Pokebub (talk) 17:31, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

I oppose the split though we should not move just yet. Per Miles. MHStarCraft 15:44, 23 July 2018 (EDT)

I oppose this article being moved or split because we don't have a sperate article for Silver Bow & Electroshock Arm. User:CaptainDabsalot User Talk: CaptainDabsalot 10:26, 24 July 2018 (CST)

Silver Bow and Electroshock Arm don't have separate pages because they're similar moves for a different character. This is the same move for a character, just with an apparently updated name. Aidan, the College-Bound Rurouni 11:28, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

I Support the split. Ganon as a Boss should have own page, and split into Ganon (Final Smash) and Ganon or Beast Ganon and Ganon.--Capstalker (talk) 09:48, 3 January 2019 (EST)

Split

Ganon as a Boss should have own page like Giga Bowser.Capstalker (talk) 10:03, 24 January 2019 (EST)

Support: it doesn’t make sense why the two pages are combined.47.176.58.194 12:20, 29 January 2019 (EST)

Support: I agree that is should be split to match Giga Bowser
Preceding comment that was ptotally signed by CaptainDabsalot (talk•Contribs) 09:27, 27 January 2019 (EST)

Support: Not only is Giga Bowser split between his boss and FS appearances, Rathalos is split between his AT/costume and boss appearances. intendrone⁴² 10:54, 27 January 2019 (EST)

Support: can somebody give me a good reason why the two pages were merged in the forst place?184.181.102.188 17:34, 29 January 2019 (EST)

Support: Yes it doesn't make sense for boss info to be placed in a final smash page. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 18:35, 29 January 2019 (EST)

Support: There's not much that really needs to be said. Pokebub (talk) 22:31, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Continuing discussion on Move

Have enough people supported the move to Ganon, the Demon King yet? I don't know why a discussion is necessary to make information more current, but I support a move, and also believe that this issue should have been resolved by now. KungFuLakitu, Spiny Overlord 21:49, June 1, 2019 (EDT)

SmashWiki is not official, personally I find "Beast Ganon" to be a more appealing, more concise name. SerpentKing 19:30, June 16, 2019 (EDT)

I believe that no matter how "official" or not the wiki is, we should always use the most up to date term, no matter how attractive it looks. KungFuLakitu, Spiny Overlord 00:03, June 19, 2019 (EDT)

Would it not make more sense to name it "Ganon (Final Smash)"? Considering "Ganon" is also a Boss? Wolff (talk) 19:32, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

No. The Ganon page is for the boss, and the move page is for the move, and because they're named differently, then they don't need to share a name with a distinguisher. Aidan, the Rurouni 19:34, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Oh. I thought it would have been better as it would have referred to both name simultaneously. Wolff (talk) 19:38, June 25, 2019 (EDT)

Move take seventy-seven

Frankly, it doesn't even look like the discussion was resolved to begin with, although I didn't read this conversation as thoroughly as I did Poltergust G-00. Either way, my argument is basically the same as it is on Talk:Poltergust G-00 and I don't feel like repeating in great detail, so in summary:

1. Not a single person in the real world is going to call this move "Ganon, The Demon King". It's gonna be "Beast Ganon" or "Ganon" because that actually sounds like an attack and not just Ganondorf breaking into Sakurai's studio at night to try to make himself sound cooler.
2. This name sums up both iterations better, albeit less than Poltergust G-00; at least as far as I'm aware, though, the title "Demon King" is never used for any version of Beast Ganon except Ocarina of Time (and maybe Hyrule Warriors?) while Beast Ganon is at least common vernacular in the Zelda community if not ever an official name. This could also be a point in favor of just "Ganon", since that's canon across the board and popular in the community.

I have no preference for either Beast Ganon or Ganon, but Ganon, The Demon King is actually an awful page name so let's do something about it. TheNuttyOne 16:59, July 21, 2020 (EDT)