Talk:Series symbol

Black vs. White

Considering that this wiki's background is white, I feel that images with the same color background would look better than the current black pictures (assuming the symbol is clearly visible), as in this example. It's not a make-or-break change, but the page would certainly look better in this format, if anyone would be up to the challenge. Zixor (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Delete Yeah, this seems really trivial to me. I mean, aren't the symbols already on their respective fighter/stage pages? FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 09:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No Delete It explains where they come from. There are a lot of stupid things on this wiki, so on one where we keep Super Smash Flash and Smashtasm along with pages for every sticker, I think this would slide. Heck, here we can make a page for Sniper Wolf just because she's from MG. XXXXX Talk to me OR ELSE! 16:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No Delete. -I agree. Simply because the information can also be found in other places, doesn't mean a concise reference isn't also useful and welcome. Zixor (talk) 20:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

No Delete Sorry guys who want this page deleted. Hey, Smashtasm wasn't deleted and neither are Smasher pages or fan games. All I can say is that people seem to really like this page, and that it shouldn't be deleted.Some Guy who did this edit (Just talk, you know how.) 23:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Article will not be deleted. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 06:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Smash Bros. Logo

Does anyone know the origins of the Smash Bros. logo? I had read somewhere that the circle represented the sun, and the two lines were from a window pane.

-Additionally, if anyone knows anything about any of the symbols currently without sufficient descriptions, I would ask that they add the info, or discuss it here. Zixor (talk) 04:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

The logo originates from the original NES Sports Series logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedBuckPokemon (talk • contribs) 11:35, 22 December 2014 (EST)

No, it doesn't. It's just a coincidence, the logo has no origin other than the original Smash Bros., and I see little resemblance between the two. Also, SW:1RV. Rtzxy Reflect! 11:37, 22 December 2014 (EST)

Furthermore, sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) and don't respond to years-old questions. Rtzxy Reflect! 11:40, 22 December 2014 (EST)

That is absolutely no coincidence. To start with, Smash Bros is pretty much a Nintendo museum masking as a fighting game. And please direct me to the area which states I cannot respond to old questions. RedBuckPokemon (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2014 (EST)RedBuckPokemon

Just because Smash Bros. is made by Nintendo doesn't mean it's confirmed the logo is based off that logo. It can still be a coincidence, even between Nintendo games. As for the not posting to old comments, here's where you'll find the rule. Rtzxy Reflect! 12:05, 22 December 2014 (EST)

What doesn't belong

The Animal Crossing, DS, Electroplankton, and Smash Bros. (at least) icons do not represent any fighters. They are not really series symbols, are they? If so, what qualifies them, and where are they used in the game? Zixor (talk) 23:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly Where are each of these symbols used in the game? If they are indeed relevant, then the introduction must be modified. Zixor (talk) 15:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Go to stage select. Under the photo on the left will be three things: the source game, the stage's name AND THESE SYMBOLS. That includes the previously mentioned symbols. 5280s (talk · contributions) 19:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

GIF vs. SVG

Wouldn't it be nice if someone could convert all of these icons into scalable vector graphics? (I know the Electroplankton icon a PNG, but it's still pretty small.) Within the game, these series symbols appear as if they could be magnified and enlarged tenfold with no loss of quality. For example, when a match ends, the winning character's symbol appears big on the screen before shrinking slightly and going behind things. Wikipedia would tag these images with a "BadGIF" template. If I had Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator, you can bet I'd do this. What does anyone else think? Dogman15 (talk) 07:20, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Well, in the game they're probably just really high resolution (like 1024x1024 or something). But yeah, making the icons into .svg's might be a good idea. I'll get on that - I'll probably use a transparent background with a medium gray symbol, so it could be placed into white and black environments easily. Toomai Glittershine The Stats Guy 14:29, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

How's this as a proof-of-concept?

It becomes invisible on black backgrounds, but we only use the black-background icons for contrast, which would probably be unneeded with this style. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 15:13, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

No responses? I'll just go ahead then. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 19:56, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Righto, the new symbols are up. Use 'em. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 01:00, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Since this wiki has problems with some .svgs, I've changed all .svgs to .pngs to ensure everything works properly. Toomai Glittershine 12:56, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

Subspace Army, Special Stages etc.

Any specific reason for which they're not on there. ^Smiddle 君怒る? 17:39, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

Their symbol is the Smash bros symbol, i guess. BlindcoloursYOUR WINNER 17:41, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

They don't really represent a series, so that's probably why. Add them if you think you can provide the same kind of info though. Toomai Glittershine The Bold 17:43, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

They were probably just made up for the game, so I can't really put anything on "Explanation". ^Smiddle 君怒る? 17:45, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

Two more symbols and note

Just though I bring these up but there are two more symbols (both from 64): The Metal Mario symbol and the random symbol on stage select on VS. mode (I ripped both straight from the game). Also, note that the EarthBound series symbol differs slightly between Melee and Brawl. If you don't think these are worthy of being added to the Wiki that's fine I'm just suggesting. WarioBrose (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2013 (EST)

The Metal Mario symbol will probably be listed as Metal Mario and Random as random which are both no duh. --TheLegendaryKRB (talk) 23:11, 8 January 2014 (EST)

The Symbols that need to be added.

I cant add these right now since im busy but: Balloon Fight Find Mii Pilotwings --[[User:Myth|<font color="yellow">'''Myth'''</font>]] [[File:Myth Kirby.png|19px|link=User talk:Myth]] (talk) 11:11, 9 April 2014 (EDT)

New symbol to be added

The symbol needed to be added is the Xenoblade symbol. I'm pretty sure that's it. Unless you could put the Duck Hunt symbol as well thought that's hard to tell if it's legit or not compared to the videos.--86.157.118.132 14:40, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

There was no clear shot of the Duck Hunt symbol. Will add the Xenoblade symbol, though. Berrenta (talk) 14:57, 26 August 2014 (EDT)

Unknown symbol explanation

The Smash Bros. logo is a circle, right? I think the unknown logo means it is taking random bits out of other series. It's more of a "Miscellaneous" or "Other" symbol than "Unknown". This is used for any series that doesn't have a symbol, or otherwise we can just assumed it was dreamed up by the Smash series. --Meester Tweester (talk) 01:05, 11 February 2015 (EST)

But why BATTLEFIELD? It's just a normal Smash stage. The logo would look more at home on a NES REMIX stage. Plus whenever I saw that symbol on the stage selection, I used to think the game crashed. Kirby's Crazy Appetite ~ 06:33, 5 February 2016 (EST)

Miiverse Symbol

Someone found this [symbol for the Miiverse Stage]. Should we include it?

If it's official, then yes. Where did you found it? (PS: Please sign your message next time...) --Metalex123 (talk) 21:45, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

Custom Stage Logo

In Smash 4, Custom Stages have a symbol: https://gyazo.com/cc7ada9ca002408314677fb822487897 --68.83.241.163 23:14, 4 February 2016 (EST)

Yeah, this should probably be covered here like the Melee Battlefield icon. Miles (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2016 (EST)

...huh. Yeah, that's valid enough to deserve a spot here. I'll have to find the source file before I can do it up though. Toomai Glittershine The Victorious 23:57, 4 February 2016 (EST)

Can't find it; I'm not seeing anything that looks like this in the series symbols or stage icon rips from TSR. So hmm. Toomai Glittershine The Incomperable 00:42, 5 February 2016 (EST)

What about tracing a SVG over a good enough screenshot? (By the way, are the .png versions still needed?) -Menshay (talk) 05:19, 5 February 2016 (EST)

The problem is that this specific usage of a series symbol is both slightly tilted and obscured by text, which in this particular case means I can't tell how large the triangle-like shape is supposed to be. Can it be done? Probably. Would it be a good idea to take a bit of time to find something better before attempting it? Also probably. Toomai Glittershine The Prismatic 09:36, 5 February 2016 (EST)

I took a clearer screenshot with no text obscuring the symbol, and by comparing it with a screenshot of the Final Fantasy symbol in the stage selection screen (only slightly obscured by the stage name and with a neat flat top) I found out the tilt is ~15°. I traced the symbol (taking the tilt into account) as a .svg and added it to the page; is a .png version needed too? -Menshay (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2016 (EST)

Remove the SpecialStages symbol from the "Other universe" pages.

I don't see why we use the "Special Stages" symbol for the pages about subjects from unrepresented universes. This symbol was used once officially for the Melee Battlefield but we use it for the minor universes. Isn't that kind of confusing? When Super Smash Bros. show something from a universe not represented by a fighter or stage, like the Smash 4 trophies in the Trophy Gallery and the Ultimate Assist Trophies in the Nintendo Directs they simply don't use a series symbol for unrepresented series while they have the appropriate symbols for represented series. I think we should remove the SpecialSeries symbol from the articles when they are not referring to SSBM Battlefield. The Assist Trophies would look better without that unnecessary symbol in their caption. On tables? I'm sure there would be a way to work with unbranded universes. We don't need a placeholder. SeanWheeler (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

I disagree that we don't need a placeholder - for one, simply because we're a wiki. If someone comes along to a page and sees that there is no symbol for something, they're more likely to believe that it's missing as opposed to intentionally absent, and try to add one. Whereas if we use a placeholder symbol, chosen because it has official existence yet is only used in one rather obscure location, they're more likely to leave it be. Plus at this point it's kind of a "thing" of ours; more experienced readers understand how we use it and will get confused if it suddenly disappears without replacement. Toomai Glittershine The Labbie 19:25, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Well, even if we need a placeholder, it shouldn't be the Special Stages symbol because that was used for the Melee Battlefield and that is not related to the universes we use this symbol for. Maybe a blank symbol would be better? And if someone thinks a symbol is missing we can add a hidden note to tell them that the universe doesn't have a symbol. It's more confusing to see Melee's Battlefield having the same symbol as the minor universes. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Blank is no better than "none" in my opinion, and it's best to not rely on hidden notes. And in a way, the symbol could very well be how Melee handles all "other" elements; we just don't now for sure because there's only one. I don't really think it's worth changing. Toomai Glittershine The Undirigible 18:43, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

But Melee didn't use that for all "other" elements. Melee used it for Battlefield which was a Smash Bros original stage. SeanWheeler (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

Hey, what about that music note? That seems like a good placeholder because in Brawl's music test, that was what's spinning in the place of the series symbol for other songs. And the official site's music index had that note as the series symbol for two songs: Galaga Medley and Noisy Notebook. That music symbol has actually been used for minor series, unlike our eight-slice symbol that was used for one stage that should have used the Smash symbol. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:22, 18 August 2018 (EDT)

Now we have symbol of other, at Sound Test in SSBU.--Capstalker (talk) 05:54, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Yeah, the ellipses was even seen on primary spirits in World of Light. I think we have a symbol that should be used now that is a much better placeholder than Battlefield's symbol. SeanWheeler (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2019 (EST)

SSBU icons

SSBU apparently has an "Others" symbol (represented by 3 dots, can be seen on the "Others" music category) and a Mii symbol (the word "Mii", only seen in StreetPass Mii Plaza-related spirits). --GarfLarf 15:54, 20 December 2018 (EST)

Use "Other" symbol replace "SpecialStages" symbol

The SpecialStages symbol has no reason to represent the minor universes from the beginning, and we now have real Other symbol.--Capstalker (talk) 21:41, 6 January 2019 (EST)

I disagree that we have a "real other symbol", mostly because the only place the newest game uses it is for music, continuing to use nothing at all in other contexts (such as spirit series). And even if we did, there's an argument to be made that we shouldn't "backport" its usage to previous games where the symbol didn't exist. My personal opinion is that there's no reason to change our policy. Toomai Glittershine The Sphere 06:39, 10 January 2019 (EST)

The symbol also uses in Primary Spirits when change Spirits at Spirit Battle. I don't think the "SpecialStages" symbol more reasonable than this symbol, and "SpecialStages" symbol also didn't exist in SSB，Brawl and SSB4.--Capstalker (talk) 11:49, 11 January 2019 (EST)

Well, if you want to make that argument, then neither did the Other symbol. We just always kind of used it to indicate that there was no symbol for something (i.e., an Assist Trophy from a non-major universe). That said, I have to agree with Toomai; there's no real reason to universally use it in the games that didn't use it. Aidan, the Celebratory Rurouni 12:49, 11 January 2019 (EST)

Wait, where does it do that? I haven't seen it in Spirits; I've seen it in music only. That said, I do on the whole agree with you that we should use it rather than Special Stages. I don't agree with the argument that it doesn't make sense to use it for previous games because the symbol only exists in Ultimate, because we have to consider the alternative that we're comparing it to, which is the Special Stages symbol from Melee. The "only exists in one game" argument could be applied just as well to that. And, on the whole, between the two, Other makes more sense. Sniffnoy (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2019 (EST)

Only in the Party at before Spirit Battles, the symbol can seenin the Primary Spirit's image if it is the minor universes Spirit.--Capstalker (talk) 21:18, 11 January 2019 (EST)

Even if you argue that only Melee used the shattered disc and that only Ultimate used the three dots, you have to consider the fact that the shattered disc was used for a Smash original stage where the Smash Ball symbol would have been more appropriate, and the three dots in Ultimate were actually used for minor universe stuff. I believe the three dots should replace the Special Stages symbol so that Melee's Battlefield doesn't get mixed in with the minor universes. Battlefield was never an "Other" property. SeanWheeler (talk) 14:41, 13 January 2019 (EST)

"All" symbol

Would this count as a symbol? Its in the music section of SSBU: --71.255.106.45 02:04, 10 January 2019 (EST)

No I don't think so, partly because it's not treated as a symbol in-game (or at least the "all symbols" rips on the Spriters' Resource don't include it). Toomai Glittershine The Sphere 06:39, 10 January 2019 (EST)

Should the special stages symbol’s section have an explanation of it being our non-ultimate “oher” symbol?

Newer users will be confused as to why the special stages symbol is going to be used instead of the ellipsis, as shown from the giant debate over which one to use. So, should there at least be an explanation as to why the “improper” symbol is used on everything except the disimbaguation page (which really should have he same symbol as the pages on that disimbaguation, but oh well.)Lou Cena (talk) 03:39, 17 February 2019 (EST)

It's generally incorrect to refer to SmashWiki itself in articles, and that would be no exception. Toomai Glittershine The Producer 08:36, 17 February 2019 (EST)

If that’s the case, is it fine if I add a “commented out” (whatever the note that tells users not to add something in is called) footbote on ONLY the following pages (which do not have any spirits or are present in another related spirit at all in Ultimate): Gil, Lloyd Irving, Heihachi, Proximity Mine, Cloaking Device, Bacura, Sneaky Spirit, Jacky, Pooka, and Monster Hunter, stating that the symbol is for characters and items that do not have spitits, and that the symbol should stay the same on only those pages? Lou Cena (talk) 12:29, 17 February 2019 (EST)

There is no need to provide such notes for edits that are not commonplace. Toomai Glittershine The Jiggy 13:26, 17 February 2019 (EST)

This is never going to end is it? There is no problem using the ellipsis, more people in the debate wanted the ellipsis, and it's been used in-game for a lot of minor universes. I think the consensus should be re-evaluated. If the discussion won't end after you closed it, maybe something's not working. SeanWheeler (talk) 16:55, 17 February 2019 (EST)

With all due respect, this was never a problem until you made it a problem. The same two or three users trying to drag this subject over multiple pages does not look good on you (plural you). I strongly suggest you (plural you) drop the subject for a good length of time. Toomai Glittershine The Ghostbuster 17:02, 17 February 2019 (EST)

I'm confused. Was this settled anywhere? I just saw a brief discussion on this page with no consensus reached and nobody bothering to do anything aftewards. In any case... surely getting things right matters more than people being annoying about it? Like, I have no idea whether I'm included in the "you" you mention above or not (having made the pro-ellipsis argument here on this page, but not, as I recall, elsewhere), and it's just, like, man, what a way to shut down argument, right? Like, well, gee, now I guess nobody can argue for this because a few of its proponents were annoying? But that has nothing to do with whether the idea is correct or not! You say "this was never a problem until you made it a problem", but we have to clarify what's meant by "problem" here. It was never a point of contention until someone made it a point of contention, sure. But from the point of view of being as correct as possible, it was as soon as the ellipsis symbol came into existence and we weren't using it! (At least, if you agree that the ellipsis symbol would be better, which you don't, I guess, but you get what I mean.) The point is, a problem is the wiki not being as good as possible -- not people getting into arguments about it! What else is a discussion page for, after all? I mean, I'll certainly agree that trying to put this sort of thing in the wiki itself, or dragging it across multiple pages (I'll take your word that this happened), is not good behavior, but, rather than banning the subject, surely it would make more sense to just confine it to one central discussion location (such as here) where it would make sense? And then everyone who doesn't want to argue about this can just stay away. Sniffnoy (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2019 (EST)

Most of the discussion occurred on this other page, not here. Toomai Glittershine The Trumpeteer 18:58, 17 February 2019 (EST)