User:TheNuttyOne/Smash 5 Prediction!

Well, we know the entire roster for Smash 4, so predictions for that are pointless- and it's never too early, right? :P

You can make edits to your prediction until the first Smash 5 character is confirmed (which may be a very long time, obviously). This should help pass the time though!

You can mostly use anything- a table, an image, or even just a dotted list. If you choose to use an image, make it a clear image so that it's easy to tell which character is which, and also include the names of each character somewhere on the roster.

Make a header with your username when you add your prediction, and... well, have fun! :P

Rules

1. There can be no more than 80 characters on your roster.
   • If you wish to bring back transformations, they only count as one character.
2. Characters must be featured mainly in video games. This does not mean video games based off of TV or movies, rather TV or movies based off of video games. (So Ash Ketchum would be acceptable, but Mickey Mouse would not.)
3. No more than 10 veterans may be cut.
   • Veterans that were cut in a previous game (such as Wolf or Snake) or DLC veterans (such as Mewtwo or Cloud) do not count as a cut character.
4. Be creative and have fun!

Scoring System

• Correct Newcomer Prediction - 10 points. A correct newcomer prediction is when a newcomer on your prediction roster is confirmed to be in the game. Pretty straightforward.
• Correct Veteran Prediction - 5 points. Like the above, but with veterans. Since it's pretty easy to predict this (I'm pretty sure Mario will return), it doesn't have as high a score as a correct newcomer prediction.
• Semi-Correct Prediction - 3 points. This is when you predict a transformation character or a team character, but only one of them appear. (i.e. you predict Zelda/Sheik, but only Sheik is confirmed). You get the three points for each character (meaning if you predict Pokemon Trainer with Greninja, Chespin, and Braixen and they all appear separately, you get 9 points.) However, there is no penalty if only part of the character is confirmed (only Greninja appears, not Chespin and Braixen), you just only get 3 points. This same rule applies to if you predict two characters separately but they are confirmed as transformations or a team, even if you only guessed one of the characters. If you predict a team character and only one of them appears with the other as a costume (like Popo with Nana as a costume instead of Popo & Nana as the Ice Climbers), you do not get 6 points, only 3. If you guess a character as a costume but they are confirmed as a separate character (i.e. Daisy as a Peach costume), you do not get any bonus points and are charged with a missing prediction.
• Incorrect Prediction - Minus 5 points. This is when a character on your roster is confirmed to not be in the game. Like how Chrom was highly speculated in Smash 4 but was confirmed to not be playable in the Lucina/Robin reveal trailer. Or how Ashley was confirmed to be an Assist Trophy. Those characters would have gotten you 5 points removed.
• Missing Prediction - Minus 3 points. This is when a character is confirmed that wasn't on your roster (like how no one could've guessed Wii Fit Trainer (yet oddly everyone predicted Duck Hunt)). Since Sakurai often picks characters no one expected (Ice Climbers, R.O.B., WFT), it's reasonable for this to be slightly less of a deduction than the incorrect prediction.

When SSB5 is released and all of the characters are confirmed, everyone's score will be added up and the winner will win... um, something. I'll decide that later. And if I win... well, I can't really give myself a prize, so that just means everyone loses I guess. Sigh.

Note that this competition is only for characters. Predictions on stages, alternate costumes, items, etc. are not considered part of the official competition, and therefore do not apply to your score.

moved to User talk:Nutta Butta/Smash 5 Prediction!

Roster Predictions

Nutta's Prediction

This used to have a huge explanation but tbh it was hard to read. So... just look at the pic. I don't need to 'splain maself to da likes of you. (I'm not very street, am I?) ---Preceding unsigned comment added by a turkey! Or maybe DatNuttyKid. 16:06, 3 November 2015 (EST)

SilvaComet's Prediction

Rtzxy's Prediction

Characters from Returning Series

Blue text detonates a newcomer.
	Mario	Luigi	Peach/Daisy	Bowser	Rosalina & Luma	Waluigi
	Wario		Yoshi		Ice Climbers
	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong	Dixie Kong		Little Mac
	Link	Zelda	Sheik	Ganondorf	Toon Link	Midna	Ghirahim
	Kirby	King Dedede	Meta Knight	Magalor (maybe)		Villager
	Pikachu	Jigglypuff	Lucario	Charizard	Greninja	Mewtwo
	Pit/Dark Pit	Palutena		Fox	Falco
	Ness		Samus	Zero Suit Samus		Olimar/Alph
	Ike	Marth/Lucina	Robin		Captain Falcon
	Mr. Game & Watch		Sonic	Tails (maybe)		Mega Man
	Pac-Man		Shulk		Mii Fighters

Notes

• Bowser Jr., Duck Hunt, Wii Fit Trainer, and Dr. Mario are cut.
• Mewtwo and Ice Climbers return.
• Lucina and Dark Pit will be demoted to costumes of Marth and Pit, respectively.
• Alph returns as a palette swap of Olimar, and Daisy becomes a palette swap of Peach.
• Waluigi, Dixie Kong, either Midna or Ghirahim, and maybe Magalor and Tails are newcomers.

Characters from New Series

• Inkling (Splatoon)
  • A Splatoon Inkling has a pretty good chance in being in Smash 5 or 6, as I believe Splatoon is going to be a (relatively) well-selling game, and a representative would be nice.
• Rayman (Rayman series)
  • If he can appear as a trophy in Smash 4, why not as a playable character in Smash 5 or 6?
• Tempo (HarmoKnight)
  • Because why not? He seems like a good fighter choice, plus I played and enjoyed the game he's from, so, he's gonna be in Smash 5 or 6.
• Balloon Fight (Balloon Fight)
  • A rumor stating that he was supposed to be in Smash 64 circulated, plus, we got Bowser Jr., so…

incomplete
Rtzxy Smashing!

PikaSamus' prediction

Incomplete

• A row with a pink background means that the character is no longer on my list.
• A row with a light blue background means that I doubt the character's chances.

Veterans

I may be missing some.

Character	Series	Past Entries
Mario	Mario
Luigi	Mario
Peach	Mario
Bowser	Mario
Dr. Mario	Mario
Rosalina & Luma	Mario
Bowser Jr.	Mario
Yoshi	Yoshi
Donkey Kong	Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong	Donkey Kong
Pikachu	Pokémon
Jigglypuff	Pokémon
Pichu	Pokémon
Mewtwo	Pokémon
Charizard	Pokémon
Lucario	Pokémon
Greninja	Pokémon
Samus	Metroid
Fox	Star Fox
Falco	Star Fox
Wolf	Star Fox
Kirby	Kirby
King Dedede	Kirby
Meta Knight	Kirby
Link	The Legend of Zelda
Zelda	The Legend of Zelda
Sheik	The Legend of Zelda
Ganondorf	The Legend of Zelda
Captain Falcon	F-Zero
Ness	EarthBound
Lucas	EarthBound
Ice Climbers	Ice Climber
Marth	Fire Emblem
Ike	Fire Emblem
Robin	Fire Emblem
Lucina	Fire Emblem
Mr. Game & Watch	Game & Watch
Wario	Wario
Pit	Kid Icarus
Palutena	Kid Icarus
Dark Pit	Kid Icarus
Olimar	Pikmin
R.O.B.	R.O.B.
Wii Fit Trainer	Wii Fit
Shulk	Xenoblade
Mii Fighters	Super Smash Bros.
Sonic	Sonic
Snake	Metal Gear
Mega Man	Mega Man
PAC-MAN	PAC-MAN

Newcomers

Character	Series	Notes
Gen. VII or VIII rep.	Pokémon	Depends on which is newer at the time.
Ridley	Metroid	The argument "Ridley is too big" is the dumbest thing.
Slippy	Star Fox	I feel that Slippy is more important than Krystal or Peppy.
Agnès	Bravely	Bravely Default is pretty much a Nintendo game outside of Japan, with Nintendo publishing it. She has also been confirmed to be in Bravely Second, but I don't know what role she has, as I don't know Japanese.

Squirtle's little prediction section

Nobody gets my title. Except maybe rtzxy and poweron

No chart. I don't do charts. If you can make a chart, and the fact that I don't have a chart is bugging you, go ahead and make this a chart, as long as you don't change my predictions.

Veterans

• Mario.
• Luigi.
• Peach.
• Bowser.
• Link.
• Toon link.
• Ganondorf.
• Donkey Kong.
• Diddy Kong.
• Mega Man.
• Pit.
• Dr. Mario.
• Sonic.
• Palutena.
• Mewtwo.
• Lucario.
• Wario.
• Ness.
• Lucas.
• Pikachu.
• Jigglypuff.
• Yoshi.
• Captain falcon.
• Robin.
• Ike.
• Marth.
• Ice climbers
• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede
• Samus
• Olimar
• Fox
• Falco
• Shulk (he's really feeling it!)
• Master Hand (Via glitch)

Newcomers.

• Adelaine (the painter lady from kirby 64)
• Inkling
• Layton
• shadow

that's all for now.

Littlesquirtle, an average user who doesn't like his signature. (talk) 15:34, 2 November 2014 (EST)

SmashBros's Predictions

No charts for me. I don't do charts, okay? Too much work. :P So here it goes.

Veterans

Mario Series

• Mario
• Luigi
• Dr. Mario
• Peach
• Bowser
• Rosalina & Luma
• Bowser Jr.

Donkey Kong Series

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong

Legend of Zelda Series

• Link
• Zelda
• Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Toon Link

Metroid Series

• Samus
• Zero Suit Samus

Kirby Series

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede

Star Fox Series

• Fox
• Falco
• Wolf

Pokémon Series

• Pikachu
• Charizard
• Lucario
• Greninja
• Mewtwo
• Jigglypuff

Mother Series

• Ness
• Lucas

Fire Emblem Series

• Marth
• Ike
• Robin

Kid Icarus Series

• Pit
• Palutena
• Dark Pit

Single Representative's Series

• Yoshi
• Wario
• Captain Falcon
• Mr. Game & Watch
• Olimar
• Villager
• Shulk
• Little Mac
• R.O.B.
• Sonic
• Mega Man
• Pac-Man
• Mii Fighter
• Ice Climbers

Newcomers

This ain't gonna be organized, so be prepared.

• Dixie Kong
• Skull Kid
• Waddle Dee
• Midna
• Ridley
• Kamek [Yoshi series, not Mario]
• Isaac
• Chrom
• Viridi
• Yveltal
• Waluigi [Wario series, not Mario]
• Chibi-Robo
• Layton
• Lyn

I'm leaving this incomplete just for a little bit, okay? SmashBros (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2014 (EST)

Aidanzapunk's Predictions

Alright, here goes nothing.

Cut Characters

• Dark Pit: Let's face it, no one really likes him.
• Bowser Jr.: Eh...I dunno, there's just...something about him that I...just don't like...
• Wii Fit Trainer: This one was an out-of-left-field pick.
• Villager: Same as above.

Newcomers

• Professor Layton: This guy needs to be in. You could do so much with him. And he's had a lot of history with Nintendo.
• Shadow the Hedgehog: For the record, he would NOT be a Sonic clone.
• Krystal: She wouldn't be a Fox clone. ...Maybe a Palutena one. I dunno.
• Inkling: Because why the hell not.

Previously Cut Veterans

• Lucas: I do miss the poor guy...
• Ice Climbers: If there's anyone I miss more than Lucas, it's them.
• Snake: I swear, if he doesn't come back as DLC, then he should come back in Smash 5.
• Wolf: Honestly, he's less of a clone of Fox than Luigi is of Mario. Sure, he can go fuck himself, but still.

Dunno about stages.

-Aidan the Gamer 11:16, 18 November 2014 (EST)

TheMasterHand's Probable Prediction

Cut Characters

Wii Fit Trainer Robin Zero Suit Samus

Newcomers

• Fawful
• Chesnaught
• Sceptile
• Waluigi (NOTE: Would be in the WarioWare Series)
• Daisy
• Ashley
• Kat and Anna
• Jimmy T
• Baby Mario (NOTE: Alternate costumes would be based on other Star Children:Baby Luigi, Baby Bowser, etc.)
• Kamek
• Giga Bowser (NOTE: Would be a bit smaller)
• Knuckles
• Shadow

Clone Newcomers

• Masked Dedede (Clone of King Dedede)
• Dark Meta Knight (Clone of Meta Knight)
• Dark Samus (Clone of Samus)
• Mr. L (Semi-Clone of Luigi)
• Metal Mario (Semi-Clone of Mario)
• Dixie Kong (Clone of Diddy Kong)
• Ms. Pac-Man (Semi-Clone of Pac-Man)
• Tails (Semi-Clone of Sonic)

Stages

• Battlefield
• Final Destination
• New Super Mario Bros Wii Stage
• Luigi's Dreams
• Ashley's Mansion
• Kirby Triple Deluxe Stage
• DK Country 3-D Stage
• Tip Of The IceBerg
• Pong
• Starfox 64 3-D Stage
• Pokemon Stadium X
• G&W: Ball
• Super Mario Bros 2
• Hyrule Castle 2
• Kalos Pokemon League
• Neo Bowser's Castle
• Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze Stage

Familiar Stages

• Kongo Jungle (SSB64)
• New Super Mario Bros U (SSBU)
• Peach's Castle (SSBM)
• F-Zero (SSBM)
• Luigi's Mansion (SSBB)
• Super Mario 3-D Land (SSB3DS)
• Metal Battlefield (SSB64)
• Pokemon Stadium (SSBM)
• Pokemon Stadium 2 (SSBB)
• Donkey Kong (SSBB)
• Hyrule Castle (SSBM
• Sector Z (SSB64)
• Dream Land (SSB64)
• Green Greens (SSBM)

Awesomelink234's predictons

Cut characters

Lucina

Duck Hunt

Meta Knight

R.O.B

Zero Suit Samus

Olimar

Dr. Mario

Veterans

Mario

Luigi

Peach

Bowser

Rosalina

Bowser Jr.

Yoshi

Wario

Mr. Game and Watch

Donkey Kong

Diddy Kong

Link

Zelda

Sheik

Ganondorf

Toon Link

Samus

Pit

Palutena

Marth

Ike

Robin

Kirby

King Dedede

Little Mac

Fox

Falco

Pikachu

Charizard

Jigglypuff

Greninja

Ness

Captain Falcon

Villager

Wii Fit Trainer

Dark Pit

Shulk

Pac-Man

Mega Man

Sonic

Previously brought back cut characters

Ice Climbers

Lucas

Ivysaur

Squirtle

Mewtwo

Roy

Pichu

Newcomers

Prince Fluff (Kirby's Epic Yarn, 2010, Wii)

Magolor (Kirby's Return to Dream Land, 2011, Wii)

Birdo (Super Mario Bros. 2, 1988, NES)

Fawful (Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga, 2003, GBA)

MarioIsTheBest predictions

cut characters

Dr. Mario

Lucina

Dark Pit

everyone else returns as they were in Smash 4 (everyone else I think has a 50% chance or greater of returning, including Mewtwo)

Newcomers and Returning cut characters

Mewtwo

Ice Climbers

Wolf

Dixie Kong

King K Rool

Ridley

Captain Toad

(New Gen Pokemon)

Impa

Tom Nook

(new series)

(new series)

(new series)

(new series)

1blitzer1' s predictions

All sm4sh characters,

lucas,
Roy,
ridley,
sora,
midbus/ ice midbus,
dark bowser(browsers inside story version)
dark samus,
dewott,
grovyle,
clemont (from XY)
pokemon trainer,
ocarina zelda/ zelda & shiek combo with new arrows and a bow,
ice climbers,
spear waddle dee/ bandana dee,
zoroark,
(roll, zero, or bass)
protoman,
skyward sword wolf transformation link,
mii psychic,
Dixie kong,
crystal from starfox,
Dr. Luigi,
daisy,
captain toad,
hungry Luna(those fat, always hungry star bit guzzlers from galaxy)
cat mario(or whatever new suit they make...chicken?)
and mabye some street fighter characters if calcium wants to be in 5mash.

ShinyRegice's predictions (1.0.0 at 12/20/2014)

Yeah, obviously it's waaaaay too early to predict the roster for Smash 5, considering that the game probably will not be released before 2020 at the very least, we can expect a character reveal for... 2019 maybe? At this point it's pretty much impossible to make a convincing and plausible SSB5 roster without putting a lot of filler slots like "Gen VIII Pokémon", "New Starfox character", "Code Name S.T.E.A.M. rep", "Future series rep", etc. and we couldn't imagine a moveset for them anyway. Also look at the SSB4 newcomers, besides Duck Hunt and third-parties, they all have notable post-Brawl appearances.

For all those reasons, I'm not going to post a complete roster; instead I'll post an incomplete one, then I'll add more when new Nintendo games with standing out characters release.

Veterans reflection

Most of the characters in Smash 4 have strong staying power IMO, but a few ones could be axed if the next director thinks that they're not worth the hard work to put them into the game.

• Rosalina is a cool addition, but I fear that she eventually becomes generic spinoff filler like Daisy and Waluigi. If she becomes a recurring character in future main Mario titles or even appears in some RPGs she becomes 100 % safe though. But overall I trust her staying power, the worst I realistically imagine for her is being demoted to unlockable.
• Ike is one of the most notable lords from Fire Emblem, appearing in two titles, being the only lord in the series to not be of royal blood, and also being very popular, but he's not likely to return outside of spin-offs (SMTxFE) or like he did in Awakening as a spirit from the past (like a very high number of past FE characters did), and his "mercenary with a heavy sword" niche kinda overlaps with Shulk, who as the ambassador of the Xenoblade series is pretty safe IMO. His best chance to keep post-SSB4 relevancy is a Radiance games remake, which is something I'd LOVE to see come to real. Like Rosalina, I mostly imagine him demoted to unlockable.
• Greninja was an extremely surprising addition to the roster, and arguably the most random character choice ever in the Smash history. Even Sakurai admited it himself, he choosed it for the sake of having a gen VI Pokémon character and because it was his favourite Pokémon from this new gen. I'm worried about Greninja's staying power; while Lucario stood the test of time, proving itself as pretty much the second mascot of the series while losing only to Pikachu, I'm dubtful about Greninja keeping its reputation as one of the most popular Pokémon and becoming a staple of the series. It's the only one I'm reasonably expecting to be cut, asides from maybe clones, and third-parties to a lesser extent. However, I hope that we won't get a Pokémon newcomer in SSB5, unless it's one who REALLY stands out and has staying power as a popular mascot.
• I have no clue about the clone trinity.
• Third-party characters are an important appeal for new Smash games, and we can reasonably expect at least one third-party newcomer for Smash 4, but it would be a shame to cut any third-party character currently in Smash to add others: Sonic is one of the most well-known gaming characters with a strong history behind him as Mario's previous rival, Mega Man has a great gaming legacy related to Nintendo as well as being pretty much the single gaming character the most adaptable to the Smash format, and Pac-Man is just too much of a gaming icon. If any of these is cut for anyone else, the next director is going to be heavily backlashed. The only thing I imagine against them are potential copyright issues, but overall I expect them to return.

For veterans not playable in Smash 4, I'm not really expecting most of them to return. Young Link, Pichu, Roy and Lucas have next to no shot IMO, being too much of derivatives of other fighters and overall weak as Nintendo characters. Squirtle and Ivysaur were unique but are too weak as Nintendo characters as well. Ice Climbers were causing technical difficulties for the 3DS version (and even possibly Wii U's 8-player Smash) and were outright cut without trying too much to make them possible to handle due to their series being very weak at representing Nintendo, their gaming legacy being behind and not even close to G&W, Duck Hunt and R.O.B. The only way I'm imagining them returning is if they get a new game like how Sakurai revived Kid Icarus. Wolf is a derivative of the other Starfox characters, but I could see him returning due to Starfox getting a revival for the next year, likely with a overhauled moveset inspired from source material from the future game(s?). Snake didn't return back for both being less famous than the other third-parties in Smash and for being more of a Playstation character than a Nintendo one at this point; Sakurai himself admited that he didn't plan to make him playable again from the start. For now I'll assume that none of them will return in Smash 5.

tl;dr The only veterans I'm reasonably expecting to be cut are Greninja and members of the clone trinity, but even then I want to see if Greninja stands the test of time and doesn't become just a "flavour of the month", and I really have no clue about the clones, they could go either way?

Newcomers reflection

I'm going to add newcomers only if they are accurate and specific characters (and not filler slots like "Character from [insert name here] series"), if I have an accurate idea of how they could work as playable characters, and what they could represent from their series or for Nintendo as a whole.

• Captain Toad is the new rising star of the Mario universe and is IMO by far the best way to add a playable Toad in Smash. The Toad species itself always felt like an iconic filler for me, but I don't feel this for Captain Toad, as he's a character with definite role and interests, and he has great uniqueness potential with source material from his game and a weight-changing mechanic involving his backpack (like throwing items from it, but they eventually regenerate). And for the "He can't jump" argument, just either make a platform appearing under his feet to allow him to jump, or just flat-out ignore it, I don't see it as much as a big deal as Ridley's proportions. I see him as the most likely Smash 5 newcomer right now.

• I could see Inkling from Splatoon as well, but I want to see if the series becomes particularly notable, because otherwise it could end up as how Golden Sun and Dillon's Rolling Western were treated in Brawl and Smash 4 respectively. At this point it seems that the series has actual potential to end up ad the next Pikmin or Xenoblade, and there's definitely enough source material to make Inkling unique as a fighter in Smash.

My roster (as of now)

• Everyone from Smash 4 including Mewtwo (and besides possibly Greninja/members of the clone trinity)
• Captain Toad
• Inkling (unsure)

And for everything else... I literally have no clue. I'll wait to see who appears and stands out in future Nintendo games, or becomes newly relevant, to add more characters.

Feedback

Any feedback is welcome! If you have any, please post in this section. ShinyRegice (talk) 11:58, 20 December 2014 (EST)

MiikaKill`s Prediction

Not doing a chart i dont do charts its to complicated. If someone wants to transform this into a chart feel free to do so as long as you dont change my predictions. I got 60 characters (mii fighters count as 1) there at the moment and 16 of them are newcomers (new mii fighter classes not counted) and i cutted 6 characters.

Mario

Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr, Rosalina and Luma, Yoshi, Wario, Paper Mario (New), Doctor Mario

Donkey Kong

Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong

Game & Watch

Mr. Game & Watch

Legend of Zelda

Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Ghirahim (New), Impa (New)

R.O.B

R.O.B

Metroid

Samus, Zero Suit Samus, Ridley (New)

Kirby

Kirby, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Bandana Dee (New)

F-Zero

Captain Falcon

Pokemon

Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Charizard, Mewtwo, Rotom (New), Lucario, Unknown Water-Type Pokemon from generation VII or VIII (New), Sceptile (New)

Star Fox

Fox, Falco, Crystal (New)

Fire Emblem

Marth, Chrom (New), Ike, Lucina

Kid Icarus

Pit, Palutena, Magnus (New)

Earthbound

Ness

Xenoblade

Shulk, Fiora (New)

Pikmin

Olimar

Animal Crossing

Villager

Punch Out!

Little Mac

Mii Channel

Mii Fighters (Brawler/Swordsman/Gunner/Wizard)

Sonic

Sonic

Mega Man

Mega Man

Bomberman

Bomberman (New)

Splatoon

Inkling (New)

Golden Sun

Isaac (New)

Banjo-Kazooie

Banjo and Kazooie (New)

CoolTom1337's Prediction

Returning series chart (Blue = Newcomer)
	Mario	Luigi	Dr. Mario	Peach	Bowser	Bowser Jr.	Rosalina & Luma	Waluigi
	Wario		Yoshi		Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong
	Ice Climbers		Little Mac		Samus	Zero Suit Samus	Ridley
	Link	Zelda	Sheik	Ganondorf	Toon Link	Vaati	Ghirahim
	Kirby	King Dedede	Meta Knight	Bandana Dee		Villager		Duck Hunt Duo
	Pikachu	Jigglypuff	Lucario	Charizard	Greninja	Mewtwo	Zoroark
	Pit	Dark Pit	Palutena	Magnus	Phosphora		Ness	Lucas
	Olimar/Alph		Fox	Falco	Wolf	Krystal		Wii Fit Trainer
	Ike	Marth	Roy	Lucina	Robin	Ephraim		Captain Falcon
	Mr. Game & Watch		Shulk	Dunban		Mii Fighters
	Sonic	Tails		Mega Man		Pac-Man

New series chart
Character	Series
Agnès Oblige	Bravely Default
Saki Amamiya	Sin and Punishment
Ray Mk. III	Custom Robo
Wonder Red	The Wonderful 101
Inkling	Splatoon

AiNoUta's-Incredibly-Unrealistic-and-will-Probably-be-Hated-Prediction

/= Character Costume

• = New Character

Mario

• Mario/Dr. Mario
• Luigi/Dr. Luigi
• Peach/Daisy
• Bowser
• Rosalina

Legend of Zelda

• Link/Young Link
• Zelda
• Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Vaati*

Kirby

• Kirby
• Meta Knight
• King Dedede

Fire Emblem

• Marth/Lucina
• Ike
• Robin

Pokémon

• Mewtwo
• Lucario
• Charizard
• Pikachu

Star Fox

• Fox
• Falco
• Wolf

Kid Icarus

• Pit
• Palutena

Mother

• Ness
• Lucas/Claus

Animal Crossing

• Villager

F-Zero

• Captain Falcon
• Samurai Goroh*

Megaman

• Megaman

Sonic

• Sonic

Pikmin

• Olimar/Alph/Louie/President

Metroid

• Samus
• Zero Suit Samus

Punch-Out

• Little Mac

Donkey Kong

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong/Dixie Kong

Wario

• Wario
• Ashley*

Xenoblade

• Shulk

Pac-Man

• Pac-Man/Ms. Pac-Man

Game & Watch

• Mr. Game and Watch

Yoshi

• Yoshi/Birdo

Nackles42's Prediction

A little explaining:

• Added 3 Paper Mario Characters because of new Paper Mario game
• Added Mona and Kat and Ana
• Added Kamek
• Added Toon Zelda (who transforms to Toon Sheik mid-battle)
• Added Ridley
• Added Knuckle Joe, Waddle Dee and Blade Knight
• Added Krystal
• Added Abomasnow, Sableye, Meloetta and Kalos Trainer with Greninja, Braixen and Chespin
• Added Chrom
• Added Tails, Knuckles and Shadow
• (not in roster) Added Minecraft Steve)
• Added Rayman, Inkling, Lolo/Lala, Proto Man and Maxwell
• Brought back Mewtwo, Lucas, Ice Climbers, Wolf, Roy, Snake
• Cut Little Mac, Charizard, Duck Hunt, WiiFit Trainer, Shulk, Mii, Ryu
• Dr. Mario, Dark Pit and Lucina have been demoted to alts for Mario, Pit and Marth.
• Also, as a side note, The Scribblenauts Icon was made myself and the Gyromite Icon was changed to say "retro"

To the guy below me:

I cut the characters I cut because they were not played enough or were too unpopular.

LittleMacmain97's completely stupid and probably insane prediction

Cut Veterans

Wii Fit Trainer will be cut, along with Dr. Mario. Greninja will be cut and replaced with a rep for the next generation.

Newcomers

• Inkling (Splatoon!)
• Maxwell (Scribblenauts)
• Ken (Street Fighter)
• Mr. Sandman (Punch-Out!!)
• King Hippo (Punch-Out!!)
• Steve (Minecraft)
• Excitebiker (Excitebike)
• Dig Dug (Dig Dug)
• Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight)
• Shovel Knight (Shovel Knight)
• Captain Toad (Mario)
• Shadow (Sonic)
• Knuckles (Sonic)
• Wolf (Star Fox)
• Impa (Legend of Zelda)
• Bandana Dee (Kirby)
• Squirtle (Pokemon)
• Shy Guy (Yoshi)
• Paper Mario (Mario)
• Character from Fire Emblem Fates (Fire Emblem)
• Louie (Pikmin)
• Dark Samus (Metroid)
• Young Link (Legend of Zelda)

Notes

• I include Punch-Out!! newcomers because I think Sakurai might, might just put em' in.
• I know that Steve is never gonna get in, but I put him down anyway.
• Squirtle will be a stand-alone character.
• Ken will be a semi-clone of Ryu. Key differences include his Shoryuken would be more powerful and his Hadoken less powerful.
• I thought about including Freddy Fazbear, but that would be to unrealistic.
• I thought about including Chuck Norris, but didn't because I would've won instantly if I had.
• All characters from Sm4sh will return, except for the three that I mentioned earlier.
• Impa will be in her Hyrule Warriors incarnation.
• And, out of curiosity, why did the guy above me cut Little Mac?

ThePikaPlayer and his Prediction(I need Mabel for this!)

Make a chart for this if you'd like.

• Still incomplete!

Mario

• Vets: Mario, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Luigi.
• Newcomers: Paper Mario, Baby Bowser.

Legend of Zelda

• Vets: Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganon, Young Link.
• Newcomers: Skull Kid.

Kirby

• Vets: Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight.
• Newcomers: Spear Waddle Dee, Sword Knight, Knuckle Joe, The girl from episode 60 of Kirby Right back at Ya!

Yoshi

• Vets: Yoshi.
• Newcomers: Birdo.

Fire Emblem

• Vets: Marth, Ike, Roy, Robin, Lucina.
• Newcomers: Chrom, Lyn.

Kid Icarus

• Vets: Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit.
• Newcomers: Viridi, Hades.

Super Smash Bros.

• Vets: Mii Fighters.
• Newcomers: Fighting Wire Frame.

Wii Fit

• Vets: Wii Fit Trainer.
• Newcomers: Wii Balance Board.

Xenoblade Chronicles

• Vets: Shulk.
• Newcomers: Dunban, Riki.

Mega Man

• Vets: Mega Man
• Newcomers: Zero, Bass.

Metroid

• Vets: Samus, Zero Suit Samus.
• Newcomers: Dark Samus, Ridley.

Sonic The Hedgehog

• Vets: Sonic.
• Newcomers: They were "Too slow!"

Earthbound

• Vets: Ness, Lucas.
• Newcomers: Paula, Poo.

Pac-Man

• Vets: Pac-Man.
• Newcomers: Ms. Pac-Man.

Wario

• Vets: Wario.
• Newcomers: Ashley.

Donkey Kong

• Vets: Diddy and Donkey Kong.
• Newcomers: Kritter.

Star Fox

• Vets: Fox, Falco, Wolf.
• Newcomers: Slippy, Peppy.

Golden Sun

• Newcomers: Isaac.

F-Zero

• Vets: Captain Falcon.
• Newcomers: Blood Falcon.

Pokemon

• Vets: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Pichu, Charizard, Greninja, Lucario, Ivysaur, Squirtle.
• Newcomers: Hawlucha

Game And Watch

• Vets: Mr. Game and Watch.
• Newcomers: Spitball Sparky.

Pikmin

• Vets: Olimar.
• Newcomers: Louie.

Punch-Out

• Vets: Little Mac.
• Newcomers: Glass Joe.

Animal Crossing

• Vets: Villager.
• Newcomers: K.K. Slider.

Nintendogs

• Newcomers: Nintendog.

Notes

• Bold depicts unlockable characters.
• Squirtle and Ivysaur will be standalone characters.
• Hawlucha was inspired by the Flying Man.
• Spitball Sparky was a random notion, along with Glass Joe, Louie, Slippy, and Peppy.
• Pichu deserves to be in Smash 4 due to my liking of Pikachu.
• Wii Balance Board would be the funniest of the lot.
• Mewtwo, Pichu, Ivysaur, Roy, and Wolf will return.
• Rosalina & Luma and Dr. Mario will not come back.
• Baby Bowser is not to be confused with Bowser Jr.
• Nintendog and Ridley have to be sized down to make this odd list.

Aidanzapunk's Predictions (Version 2)

Since a lot has changed in terms of my opinions towards Smash 4 and Smash 4 itself, I think I've got some newer ideas.

Characters

Cut Characters

• Wii Fit Trainer: This one was an out-of-left-field pick.
• Villager: See above.

Newcomers

• Professor Layton: This guy needs to be in. You could do so much with him. And he's had a lot of history with Nintendo.
• Shadow the Hedgehog: For the record, he would NOT be a Sonic clone.
• Isaac: Despite my opinions towards him, he's very popular.
• Inkling: Because why the hell not.
• Sora: I myself haven't played Kingdom Hearts, but I do enjoy characters from series I'm not familiar with.
• Shovel Knight: I think it's kinda obvious at this point.

*insert obligatory King K. Rool vote here*

Previously Cut Veterans

• Ice Climbers: I know, Sakurai cut them because they had low priority over the rest of the cast, but still.
• Snake: I swear, if he doesn't come back as DLC, then he should come back in Smash 5.
• Wolf: Honestly, he's less of a clone of Fox than Luigi is of Mario. And he's very popular.

New stages

• Monte d'Or: The sort of hub world from Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask. Miracle Mask was my first Layton game, and if Layton got in, this would have to be his stage.
• Starlight Carnival: The third world from Sonic Colors. Colors is my favorite Sonic game, and you could totally make a moving stage out of this.

Aidan, the Wandering Space Warrior 16:42, 9 November 2015 (EST)

BeepYou's roster predictions

I'm doing this for fun, it's just the roster I would want in the next game, not trying to really predict and win.

KEEP IN MIND CUSTOMS ARE REMOVED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE MIIS

Returning veterans

Mario

• Mario
• Dr. Mario: Unlockable.
• Luigi: Unlockable.
• Peach
• Bowser: More texture on his skin and scales, but otherwise still cartoonish.
• Bowser Jr.: Unlockable.
• Rosalina & Luma: Heavily nerfed so that she is much harder to use, but not enough so that she is still viable.

Yoshi

• Yoshi

Wario

• Wario

Donkey Kong

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong: Immensely nerfed.

Game & Watch

• Mr. Game & Watch: Unlockable.

Punch-Out!!

• Little Mac

Metroid

• Samus
• Zero Suit Samus: Less stern expression in her Screen KO.

F-Zero

• Captain Falcon

The Legend of Zelda

• Link: Using his Hyrule Warriors design.
• Toon Link: Unlockable.
• Zelda
• Sheik: Using her Hyrule Warriors design. Nerfed.
• Ganondorf: Unlockable.

Kid Icarus

• Pit
• Dark Pit: Unlockable.

Fire Emblem

• Marth
• Lucina: Unlockable.
• Roy: Unlockable.
• Ike
• Robin
• Corrin

Duck Hunt

• Duck Hunt: Unlockable.

Kirby

• Kirby
• King Dedede
• Meta Knight: Using his Kirby: Right Back At Ya! design

Star Fox

• Fox
• Falco: Unlockable.

Pokémon

• Pikachu
• Jigglypuff: Unlockable.
• Lucario
• Charizard
• Greninja
• Mewtwo: Unlockable. And heavily buffed.

R.O.B.

• R.O.B.: Unlockable.

EarthBound

• Ness
• Lucas

Animal Crossing

• Villager

Pikmin

• Alph: Olimar gets cut but Alph is his own character now.

Wii Fit

• Wii Fit Trainer

Xenoblade

• Shulk: More lively and smiling in his taunts (except down taunt) and victory poses. Unlockable.

Sonic

• Sonic: Unlockable.

Mega Man

• Mega Man: He has some voice clips from Mega Man: Powered Up and is voiced by the same VA, Cole Howard. Blast KO sound changed to the "life lost" sound from Mega Man 3 onward.

Street Fighter

• Ryu: He now smiles lightly in his "Your range is one fist short" victory pose.

Pac-Man

• Pac-Man: Using his Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures design (sorry Massive Hero Soccer Guy). His Star KO sound is now the "life lost" sound from the original Pac-Man (which only appears in StreetSmash). Still no voice.

Final Fantasy

• Cloud: Unlockable.

Bayonetta

• Bayonetta: It depends: if she is way too OP in SSB4, then she gets nerfed depending on the OP level.

Special characters

• Mii Brawler
• Mii Swordfighter
• Mii Gunner

Previously cut veterans

Star Fox

• Wolf: Because Omega Tyrant. Unlockable.

Pokémon

• Pichu: Heavily buffed tho. Still recoil damage but less than before, and more power than Pikachu. Unlockable.

Ice Climber

• Ice Climbers

Metal Gear

• Snake: Unlockable.

Newcomers

Donkey Kong

• Dixie Kong: Semi-clone of Diddy but she doesn't have the Banana Peel as her down special, it gets replaced by a different move that I'm too lazy to think of. Weaker than Diddy, but faster mobility. Almost the same frame data. Unlockable.
• King K. Rool: Yep.

Metroid

• Ridley: Shrunken down, semi-clone of Charizard as it can jump three times, fly and glide, and has some attacks taken from him. However, it is almost as heavy as DK. Poor frame data to compensate, though only to the extent of Charizard. Slightly less damaging attacks and some of them are different so it can be considered a semi-clone.

The Legend of Zelda

• Ghirahim
• Ruto

Kid Icarus

• Viridi: A deity made it into Smash Bros. Now a smaller deity does as well, but with faster moves (different ones that don't make her a clone of Palutena). Unlockable.

Kirby

• Bandanda Waddle Dee
• Prince Fluff: Unlockable.

Star Fox

• Krystal: Moveset inspired from Palutena in some regards, but faster in all aspects.

Pokémon

• Igglybuff: Maybe I lost my mind, but I want a more mobile but frailer and slightly weaker clone of Jiggs. Unlockable.
• Sceptile: He deserves to be in if we're not getting Ivysaur. Unlockable.

Sonic

• Tails: Unlockable. Why not? :]

Mega Man

• Proto Man: Unlockable. Voiced by his Mega Man: Powered Up VA, Jonathan Love. A frailer but more mobile semi-clone of Mega Man that uses his mechanics from Mega Man 9 and 10, with some different attcks:
  • Neutral attack/Forward tilt/Neutral aerial: Proto Buster - Only fires twice instead of once, slightly longer range.
  • Up tilt: Same as Mii Gunner
  • Down tilt: Charge Kick - More powerful but laggier.
  • Up smash: Laser Trident
  • Down smash: Chill Spike - Ice effect instead of flame, faster with slightly less power.
  • Forward aerial: Triple Blade - Slashes three times instead of once, electric effect instead of flame, sword glows green (like Zero's Z-Saber) then fades to purple after attacking (like the original Triple Blade). More similar to Meta Knight's forward aerial.
  • Up aerial: Tornado Blow - Three tornadoes instead of one, giving it more horizontal range, but it has less vertical range and as a result inflicts less damage with knockback compensated.
  • Grab aerial/Grab: Thunder Claw - Similar to Samus' Grapple Beam.
  • Neutral special: Shadow Blade - Due to the game having no customs, Proto Man receives Mega Man's custom move as a special of his own.
  • Side special: Ice Slasher - Same as neutral special.
  • Up special: Tornado Hold - Same as previous specials.
  • Down special: Jewel Sattelite - Same function as Skull Barrier but with a x1.4 multiplier and inflicts 2% damage for each jewel, like Mega Man's Leaf Shield.
  • Final Smash: Proto Zero Attack - He teams up with Zero and they attack the opponent. Similar startup as Pair Up, similar cutscene as Chain Attack.

Battletoads

• Rash: Doesn't have a voice, but his Star KO sound is that of a low-pitched croak.

Rayman

• Rayman: Unlockable.

DLC newcomers

The Legend of Zelda

• Zant

Kingdom Hearts

• Sora

Special characters

• Mii Wizard

Cut characters that later return as DLC veterans

Kid Icarus

• Palutena: Autoreticle and Reflect Barrier get replaced by Explosive Flame and Super Speed respectively. She gets catastrophically buffed in frame data, aerial mobility and damage, so her frame data is much more balanced (but not to Mario or Sheik levels), and her damage output is as high as Luigi's. She originally gets cut due to the game's abscence of custom moves for other characters that aren't Miis. (yep, just because of that reason). Originally only mentioned in her trophy.

I would put an image of a roster but the roster maker won't open for me. So that's it then. -- The 70's called. They said BeepYou was here :v 14:58, 19 December 2015 (EST)

Nintenzilla's Predictions

Basically, I predict the roster to look something like this,

Cut Characters

Due to their overall controversy, Dark Pit and Lucina are made into costumes, while Dr. Mario is kept for being the clone with the strongest following (Ironically).

Mii Fighters are cut due to how they were overall handled in SSB4 and due to the fact that customs no longer exist.

Feedback is also welcome. Nintenzilla (talk) 13:38, 12 January 2016 (EST) User:DatNuttyKid/Navigation