Forum:Smash Arena Suggestions

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This forum has the purpose of helping to select what battles will eventually take place in the Smash Arena. If you would like to make a suggestion, please feel free to leave it here. New suggestions are placed at the bottom of the page. Be sure to state your reason you suggested it and put the support, reject, and comments sections underneath it.

Like the idea? Be sure to give it your support. Note that this page is not to be used for the actual voting between fighters; that happens in the Arena itself. Remember, the combatants don't necessarily have to be able to fight each other normally in Smash Bros.

Rules

Posting suggestions

• Only Smash Bros.-related fights are permitted. Fights don't have to be between playable characters, but the combatants must have appeared in at least one Smash Bros. game.
  • Outside very specific circumstances, no fights are allowed between combatants that only appear in a game (or a batch of downloadable content) that has yet to be released.
• If there are already 10 open suggestions, you should probably reconsider adding a new one. If there are 15, it is highly recommended you do not. There is no limit to the number of open suggestions, but having too many clutters the page and makes it more difficult to keep track of.
• Check this list to view the fights that have been done. Repeat fights are permitted if they occurred 100 or more rounds ago. As matchups over 100 rounds ago are moved off that particular list, the list is the definitive source on what can't be repeated. Note that repeats close to this cutoff may still be valid if the queue is full enough that the fight's acceptance will allow it to be outside the 100-round zone.
• Do not post more than one suggestion at a time. Each user may post one suggestion per week (i.e. one every seven days).
• Sign your suggestions/votes/comments with ~~~~ and a # in front of it (you don't necessarily have to put # in the comments sections, but you do have to sign with ~~~~).
• Place new suggestions at the bottom of the page.
• You can retract and remove your own suggestion, but it still counts as your suggestion for that week.
  • If your suggestion is removed because it's invalid or because your week isn't up, it doesn't count as your suggestion for that week. That said, users who constantly post invalid or rapid-fire suggestions may be suspended from suggesting for a few weeks, and may risk probation.
• Similarly to the above, you cannot edit a suggestion once people have started to vote on it. Editing the description is fine, just don't alter the combatants.

Voting and comments

• Don't vote on your own suggestion.
• Post why you support/oppose. Don't just say, "Oh, this is a cool idea". Explain why you like/don't like the fight. This is not required but adds credence to your opinion - remember, suggestions are not accepted or rejected based on a simple vote count.
• The comments section is to be used for relevant comments only.
• Do not use this page to argue with other users over their reasons and opinions. You can civilly point out an inconsistency or mistake in their description, but if you say things like, "That's stupid", that could potentially start an argument in the comments, you are breaching this rule.
• Do not make this page into the Smash Arena itself. This is for deciding what goes there, not voting on the winner.

Acceptance or rejection

• The SA operator(s) has final say over all the fights. Suggestions and comments are merely a way for the community to influence the fights, and can be used, edited, or ignored at the operator(s)'s discretion.
• Acceptance of fights is not based simply on votes. The votes are used to judge the community's opinion of the matchup; again it is solely the operator(s)'s decision on what the bouts are.
• Suggestions are purged every time a new Smash Arena round is posted. It is at this time they are either accepted and placed into the queue, or they are rejected. Not all suggestions are purged at once - only those that are both older than the rest and have higher vote counts. Usually suggestions need at least 5 votes to be decided upon, unless they are very old.
  • In the vein of the above, do not repost a suggestion of yours that has been removed recently, since it's either already lined up or been rejected. See the Queue section for an idea of how long it may take for your suggestion to show up.
• If a suggestion of yours has been rejected in the past, you may repost it three months (90 days) after its rejection. However, it is unlikely for a rejected suggestion to be accepted in the future, so it is likely more productive to suggest something else.
• Descriptions are not guaranteed to be included as-is should a suggestion pass.

Tips

• In most cases, the combatants of a match should share similarities but have key differences. However, matchups between total opposites are also interesting. Avoid the middle ground where combatants have little in common but are also not polar opposites.
• Protagonist vs. antagonist matches (e.g. Mario vs. Bowser) are valid, and many of them succeed in the arena, but are usually pushed aside by the community in favour of matchups that are less "obvious". Matchups born from in-game events (e.g. Subspace Emissary groupings) or matchups that are big in their home universes but not necessarily in Smash Bros. (e.g. legendary Pokémon fights) tend to fall into this as well.
• While rematches are valid once 100 rounds have passed, do not expect much enthusiasm for them unless the original match was very close or a tie.
• Regular matches (one-on-one) are favoured far more than three-way fights. If you have an idea for a three-way fight, see if one of the three combatants is really necessary, and try to get it down to two. Fights of more than three participants have to be sock-knocking genius in order to be even considered, so unless you're convinced it will be very popular, turn your efforts to something else.
• The description can sway peoples' opinions of a matchup. While the most interesting suggestions can be accepted on their own merits, those in the middle can be made or broken by how you present them.

Queue

The current queue is as such:

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Hover the cursor over a round number to see its predicted start date. Empty spots are shown in grey.

When the queue becomes full (all the grey spots are filled up), suggestions will be suspended. You may continue to vote on current suggestions, but no more may be proposed. Once the queue drains out to a size of one, suggestions will be re-opened.

The queue is not set in stone; new suggestions may appear before older ones and it may change at any time. The queue attempts to balance out fights so that specific participants or universes aren't used too much in a short time.

The contents of the queue are a secret to maintain mystery and intrigue.

Show Your Support

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Template

To make a suggestion the easy way, copy the following code, paste it into the bottom of the editing window, and fill out the relevant parts:

==<participant 1> vs. <participant 2>==

<description of fight, maybe a few reasons you think it would be a good matchup> ~~~~

===Support===

===Oppose===

===Comments===

Suggestions

Lucas vs. Mewtwo

Both Smash 4 DLCs that were fan-favorites, has psychokinetic abilities, and would have appeared in only one Smash game were it not for their late returns. 76.5.59.191 14:41, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. This is one of the best ones I've heard, in my opinion.LittleMacmain97 (talk) 19:00, 2 May 2015 (EDT)
2. This ones pretty good but lets not have this until the Lucas DLC is released. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
3. Just...PERFECT! i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 10:41, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
4. It's a safe bet now that Lucas has been released. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Dr. Mario vs. Lucina vs. Dark Pit

Battle of the "should could have been a costume" characters! ♡FirstaLasto♥ 12:24, 24 March 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 22:24, 24 March 2015 (EDT)
2. This seems like it would be the most interesting. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 12:52, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
3. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
4. I'm all for it, man.LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 15:58, 5 May 2015 (EDT)
5. Seems like an interesting matchup. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Shadow Moses Island vs. Gamer

These two stages have lights that add an element of stealth into the mix. One adds it for fun while the other keeps the fighters on their toes. But which of these stages shines the brightest? JamesHeart 21:20, 24 March 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Both stages have their own unique quirks, this would be an interesting vote I reckon. 180.149.192.133 17:53, 25 March 2015 (EDT)
2. These are memorable stages with character. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:49, 27 March 2015 (EDT)
3. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Comments

1. I don't know, SMI's light is inaffective while Gamer's has an effect. Cherrim98Talk 15:19, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Dr. Mario vs. Mewtwo

These two are the "comeback" characters in the Smash series. Debuted in Melee, cut from Brawl, but back in SSB4. To celebrate the Mewtwo DLC nearly being finished, it's time for the comebacks to face off. Meester Tweester (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. it's a pretty good idea cuz mewtwo now has official artwork and his own trailer. i would also vote my favorite pokemon i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 21:50, 4 April 2015 (EDT)
2. Eh, why not. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
3. Now that Mewtwo has been released I think this is a good idea 73MPL4R Only the dead have seen the end of war 10:04, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
4. Two guys who were like "I'm not dead".ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Comments

I kind of think this one should wait for Mewtwo's release (or at least official art). ♡FirstaLasto♥ 00:42, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

Lucas should be added to this fight! He wasn't in Melee, but he is a cut veteran who returned. John (talk) 09:57, 21 April 2015 (EDT)

Technically Lucas wasn't cut. He's in Brawl, he's in the next game. 72.106.144.128 17:17, 27 April 2015 (EDT)

May I propose the addition of our boy? Nyargleblargle (Talk) 21:38, 18 June 2015 (EDT)

That would be a great idea, on the condition that how about this match could be done about four or so months after Roy's DLC release. Fresh new characters like Roy, Lucas, and Ryu probably means that players haven't had full thoughts on them yet. Dots (talk) The Snow as White 23:30, 18 June 2015 (EDT)

Recently, we had a Mewtwo vs Roy match, I'm not sure if that would be valid if Roy is included with Mewtwo. Maybe just wait a while before adding Roy. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy

Master Orders vs. Crazy Orders

Which hand has a more interesting set of Special Orders? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 19:42, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
2. Absolutely. Toast ltimatum 07:24, 3 May 2015 (EDT)
3. Although I think Crazy Orders is the better of the two, preferences people. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Kongo Jungle (SSB) vs. Kongo Jungle (SSBM)

Two identically-named, multi-platform stages that represent the DK universe, are made of wood, and both make usage of Barrel Cannons. Which is superior?! MeatBall104 (talk) 22:46, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

Support:

1. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 23:51, 29 March 2015 (EDT)
2. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
3. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Kirby vs. Pit

Two floaty-type heroes. Sakurai created the first and breathed new life into the second. But is it Dream Land or Angel Land taking home the win? ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 23:51, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Sounds good to me. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 15:13, 17 April 2015 (EDT)
2. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
3. Not to mention Sakurai created "floaties".ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Donkey kong vs sonic

they are both mario's rivals who have their own series. they have a peice of clothing that would actually be considered an accesory. they both don't have any weapons. they're not from the same "video game company". sonic is about speed while donkey kong is about strength. why not have them in a battle? i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 15:33, 3 April 2015 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Those reasons honestly sound a bit trivial to me. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 12:55, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
2. ^ I totally agree. 72.105.4.229 15:57, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
3. I don't get this match. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Burning Dropkick vs. Flare Blitz:

Two fire-type side-specials that involve the user launching forwards while being consumed in flames, all the while boosting their horizontal recoveries and stopping projectiles. Which one douses the other? MeatBall104 (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2015 (EDT)

Sheik vs. Shulk

They have very similar names. That's my main reason for suggesting this, to be honest. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:58, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. "Sounds" good to me. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 18:35, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Other than the name, they're totally different. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 11:13, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
2. I agree with Nyargle. I can see it in the SA, but I can't see it doing well in it. Keep trying though. You'll get a better idea eventually. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 15:18, 5 June 2015 (EDT)
3. Thy're not that very similar really, and names aren't even a major similarity about them. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
4. I have to object to this one. They differ way too much! Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Trophy Lottery v.s. Coin Launcher v.s. Trophy Rush

The main method for receive Trophies in the three games to contain them. Which one will launch to the top? 72.105.4.229 15:55, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. This is a great idea. Dots (talk) The Wolf 17:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
2. Ditto! i'm Valehd the smashbro pro!(talk)tawlk 2 teh catholic pokemon master 18:29, 21 April 2015 (EDT)
3. I like the idea! Seems fun! 72.106.144.128 17:21, 27 April 2015 (EDT)

Comments

A bit iffy on this one, Smash Wii U has two modes which revolves around collecting trophies, Trophy Shop, and Trophy Rush. Normally, I'd have both of them against Trophy Lottery and the Coin Launcher but 4 way matches are often frowned upon. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Mii Brawler vs. Mii Swordfighter vs. Mii Gunner

The three types of Mii Fighters go head to head. Choose your weapon. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is a never lover boy 19:14, 25 April 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Would be interesting to see which people prefer ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2015 (EDT)
2. This just makes sense as a fight, and the Miis are designed to be archetypes, so it would be a great way to do a general round. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 10:02, 2 May 2015 (EDT)
3. How could we not Toast ltimatum 07:25, 3 May 2015 (EDT)
4. One of the first matches I had in mind when Smash 4 released. Dots (talk) The Pumpkin 10:15, 3 May 2015 (EDT)
5. I'm in! This match should have some... interesting results!LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 15:31, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
6. I have no preference on the Mii styles, actually, I like them equally, so it'll be cool to see what they think. 75.141.44.222 14:56, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

Mushroom Kingdom II vs. Magicant

Two stages that take place inside the mind. Subcon v Magicant, watch out for Birdo and the Flying Men! ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 03:06, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Seems good to me. 72.106.144.128 17:15, 27 April 2015 (EDT)
2. Same here. I think it can work quite nicely. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Little Mac vs. Link

It's fist vs. sword in the battle of green heroes! The bruiser from the Bronx takes on the humble Hylian hero! It's time to settle the score and figure out if the punch really is mightier than the sword! User:LittleMacmain97 4:46 P.M. 04-30-15.

Oppose

1. I dunno, it just seems in favor of Little Mac, and it's kinda an arbitrary idea. 75.141.44.196 09:58, 2 May 2015 (EDT)
2. Yeah, kind of arbitrary, especially with the Mii Fighters fight. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 10:00, 2 May 2015 (EDT)
3. We've seem many bruiser vs. sword fights before and Little Mac and Link are not that very similar. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Comments

I get what you're saying. I'll try again after the current battle has ended. I've got some other ideas anyways.LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 14:41, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

I just noticed my week went up a long time ago. I'll try again tommorrow! LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 15:27, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

Ashley's Song vs. DK Rap

Examples of the rare 'songs with included lyrics' to return in the Wii U version, these themes that introduce us to characters are cheesy and also awesome (YMMV). But will magic or monkeys rule the dancefloor? ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 03:30, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. The DK Rap gets more and more hype as time goes on, Smash Arena is a logical step for it. By the way, we have our own articles for music. Toast ltimatum 07:27, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

Starman vs. Star Rod

It's Starfy's Legend of the Seven Stars, or something of the sort. Both items are a bit boring, but the similarities are there. Toast ltimatum 07:34, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
2. The Fault in Our Stars. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Oppose

1. To me this seems like a random idea. They both say star, that's the only similarity. I dunno, it just doesn't seem Smash Arena-ish. 75.141.44.196 13:30, 4 May 2015 (EDT)
2. I don't see any other similarities either. They're just too different. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)

Sheik vs. Greninja

Ninjas. Toast ltimatum 23:10, 11 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Although Sheik isn't exactly a ninja, they have very similar fighting styles. So I'm in. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 15:33, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
2. I feel like this would be good. My only comment is the description. It needs a bit... more. But, then again, they don't have much in common. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
3. An okay match. Though I feel like that conquest already did this match itself. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
4. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 20:55, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Oppose

1. Sheik is never specified as a ninja in OoT, she gives Link hints, songs, saves him from Ganondorf, and is Zelda, not a Ninja. Greninja... is a ninja. 72.106.144.69 17:53, 16 May 2015 (EDT)

PK Fire vs. Arcfire vs. Flame Pillar

Three fire-type side-specials that involve the user shooting some fire forwards and trapping opponents in it. Which of the three burns out its competition? MeatBall104; Almost driving! 10:09, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Comments

I'm a bit iffy on this, as the match seems a bit arbitrary, but the moves are very similar. I'll stay neutral for now. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 11:12, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Pirate Ship vs. Spirit Train

All aboard! Do you prefer toon travelling by land or by sea? ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 10:38, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. Dots (talk) The Heavy Weapons Guy 10:27, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Sector Z vs. Orbital Gate Assault

Both of these stages are based of a specific space level in Star Fox involving missiles. Who has a better missile program? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 11:45, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Ridley vs. Metal Face

Two bosses from futuristic worlds. A dragon of truly epic proportions vs. a loud-mouthed, human-hating cyborg. They both battle against futuristic weapon weilders, and now they cross paths and face each other. This fight's gonna get ugly. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. You forgot that they're both bosses, which is the main reason I support this. Nyargleblargle (Talk) 20:26, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

comments

I'll edit that in. Thanks for noticing! LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

I already suggests Ridley vs. Yellow Devil vs. Metal Face awhile ago... so I don't think this is necessary. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 16:00, 5 June 2015 (EDT)

i've never seen it. My apoligies. But was it accepeted? If not then shortening it like this might help. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

They don't exactly announce if it was accepted. But the rules say you should wait if a similar match was suggested recently until it happens/doesn't happen. ---Preceding unsigned comment added by you. Or maybe Nutta. 20:57, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

Sorry for any inconvience, nutta. By the way, your sig is really throwing me off. That thing's like a paradox, but it's also epic. You, sir, have bamboozled me. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

Final Cutter vs Aether

Pretty obvious connection. Both similar moves in the fact that both involve the character slashing up and then slamming down with a sword slam. --Myth 01:18, 6 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. This is a good one. I can totally see this one playing out in SA. Gotta say that I'm a little jealous that I didn't think of this. LittleMacmain97, lord of the punch. (talk) 20:42, 6 June 2015 (EDT)
2. Seconded. Berrenta (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
3. I main Ike, my brother mains Kirby. This one's pretty obvious to me. 72.104.148.69 11:00, 20 June 2015 (EDT)
4. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

unova pokemon league vs kalos pokemon league

two pokemon leagues get together in a battle! oshawott vs froakie! tepig vs fennekin! snivy vs chespin! 5 VS 6!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Valehd (talk • contribs) 09:36, June 6, 2015‎ (CDT)

Comments

As much as I would like to support this, you're missing a ton of things. Most importantly, proper capitalization (though that's mainly a nitpick) and a signature. Without a signature, how are we supposed to know who suggested this? Berrenta (talk) 12:27, 22 June 2015 (EDT)

Mega Man vs Ryu

two Capcom characters both in Smash 4. Which one is the better Capcom rep? MarioIsTheBest (talk) 10:34, 14 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. I just had this in mind. Dots (talk) The Wii 21:18, 18 June 2015 (EDT)
2. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Landmaster vs. Critical Hit

Two Final Smashes used by three characters. Is Sakurai not being creative with Final Smashes nowadays? ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is bad for me 13:49, 17 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. I would also like to say that they may be the two best Final Smashes in Brawl and Smash 4 (maybe Super Sonic is better), but I'll take it. Dots (talk) The Wii 21:18, 18 June 2015 (EDT)
2. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Shulk vs. Lucina

While both are sword users, they both have something else in common as well: in their respective games, they sought to challenge destiny and change the future. So, who's the better foreseer? Berrenta (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Dillon vs. Sheriff

Two western-themed assist trophies face off in a duel. ZatannaCobblepot (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

Support

1. I can get behind this. Berrenta (talk) 08:17, 21 June 2015 (EDT)