Talk:Helpless

I put Kirby and Ike on the list because they still retain the hitbox after their up-b. Why was it deleted? A1lion835 (talk) 22:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)A1lion835

Because they don't go Helpless. They retain their hitbox, it's totally different. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

why are you deleting Thunder from the list?? Majorabrawl (talk) 04:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thunder doesn't cause Helpless. - Gargomon251 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Quote from article: "While helpless, characters cannot perform any action except fast-falling."

I believe Kirby and Ike can perform actions other than fast falling (AKA spiking, dealing damage). That would mean they do not go into a fully helpless state. A1lion835 (talk) 22:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)A1lion835

Shouldn't Mario's image be on a black background as well, for consistency? Like this. Yeah, I'm too lazy to register and upload it here And while we're at it, why are two of the images of Fox, and one of Mairo. Should they all be the same, or all be different? 24.74.45.188 15:19, 19 December 2010 (EST)

Helpless Air speeds

This doesn't look right, I never heard of "helpless air speed" being a thing, and the listed values don't look concrete at all. Can someone (Toomai?) verify if this is legit information or just bullshit someone added? Omega Tyrant 23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

That list has several problems; most importantly the numbers are meaningless. Junking it. Toomai Glittershine The Indescribable 00:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)

Helplessness

Shouldn't this be helplessness, to agree with the MoS? PikaSamus (talk) 10:02, 10 September 2014 (EDT)

Melee Air Grabs

Maybe I just missed it, but Melee's Air Grab attacks cause helplessness if they miss the ledge (Link, Y. Link, Samus) Also, what is the most common term for that? Is it "Wall Grapple"? Serpent King (talk) 04:39, 18 March 2015 (EDT)