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:::::Why don't you apply this logic to yourself then? What if you're one of the only people who thinks that it's a stupid idea to report on what the community thinks, and what if you're one of the only people who thinks it's okay to abuse their admin powers and go around doing whatever you want without properly discussing the topic at hand? You say that we should consider what the wiki userbase supposedly thinks, but doesn't the wiki userbase supposedly say that '''we report on what the community thinks?''' I can tell you that I'm not one of the very few people who has my opinions. I believe that Smash is enjoyable when played competitively, that Melee is the best Smash game, and that Sakurai should gear the game more towards competitive players, while the casual players can still have fun with a "competitive" game by turning on items, etc. This opinion of Smash is shared by thousands of other players involved in the competitive community, including many of your so-called "professionals." Not only do I share beliefs with a group of people who are "a known entity in the community," but these people also believe that Diddy Kong is one of the best characters in Smash 4, and that Sakurai removed hitstun in Brawl to make the game less fun for competitive players. If you consider the beliefs of the professional players to be important, then these opinions should be included in the wiki as well. If you don't believe that the community has a widespread opinion on certain controversial topics, read what people say on the Internet. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | :::::Why don't you apply this logic to yourself then? What if you're one of the only people who thinks that it's a stupid idea to report on what the community thinks, and what if you're one of the only people who thinks it's okay to abuse their admin powers and go around doing whatever you want without properly discussing the topic at hand? You say that we should consider what the wiki userbase supposedly thinks, but doesn't the wiki userbase supposedly say that '''we report on what the community thinks?''' I can tell you that I'm not one of the very few people who has my opinions. I believe that Smash is enjoyable when played competitively, that Melee is the best Smash game, and that Sakurai should gear the game more towards competitive players, while the casual players can still have fun with a "competitive" game by turning on items, etc. This opinion of Smash is shared by thousands of other players involved in the competitive community, including many of your so-called "professionals." Not only do I share beliefs with a group of people who are "a known entity in the community," but these people also believe that Diddy Kong is one of the best characters in Smash 4, and that Sakurai removed hitstun in Brawl to make the game less fun for competitive players. If you consider the beliefs of the professional players to be important, then these opinions should be included in the wiki as well. If you don't believe that the community has a widespread opinion on certain controversial topics, read what people say on the Internet. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
:::::If you'd rather not argue with me, why don't you look at the Ridley talk page and see everything OT said about reporting what the community thinks? If you're not going to listen to me, I'm sure you'll listen to a mighty powerful admin over a lowly unimportant regular user. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 23:01, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | :::::If you'd rather not argue with me, why don't you look at the Ridley talk page and see everything OT said about reporting what the community thinks? If you're not going to listen to me, I'm sure you'll listen to a mighty powerful admin over a lowly unimportant regular user. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 23:01, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
::::::Where on earth does it say in SmashWiki's policies that we prioritize "community opinion" over facts? I don't believe such a rule exists anywhere but in your own delusions. As has been stated to you before: guesses, theories, and speculation aren't appropriate content. Facts are. If you are equating something to the effect of "we report tier lists" or "we report widespread tournament rules" with "we report community opinion as fact", then you are quite thoroughly mistaken. | |||
::::::Also, if you're going to sarcastically spout debate advice at me, here's some back at you: walls of text make you look like a blowhard, not somebody with a well thought-out argument; making wild comparisons to 9/11 in an unrelated context is Godwin's Law 2.0 and makes you sound foolish; and a flat appeal to "people say so!" is massively unconvincing even when relevant. [[User:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="dodgerblue"><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;">'''Miles''']] <font color="silver">([[User talk:Miles of SmashWiki|<font color="silver">talk]])</font></font></span></font> 23:07, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | |||
If we're talking about [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_community_controversies&curid=55571&diff=654803&oldid=654802 this edit], then I agree that it's too speculatory, as I do not recall "block Melee and feature Brawl because Nintendo hates competitives" as being the primary sentiment at the time of that controversy. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it sure seems too much. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 21:47, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | If we're talking about [http://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=List_of_community_controversies&curid=55571&diff=654803&oldid=654802 this edit], then I agree that it's too speculatory, as I do not recall "block Melee and feature Brawl because Nintendo hates competitives" as being the primary sentiment at the time of that controversy. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but it sure seems too much. [[User:Toomai|Toomai]] [[User talk:Toomai|Glittershine]] [[Image:Toomai.png|20px|link=User:Toomai/Bin|???]] The Glow 21:47, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
:If you think there's not enough widespread community opinion on a certain topic, that would be an acceptable reason not to list community opinion in an article. Fair enough. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | :If you think there's not enough widespread community opinion on a certain topic, that would be an acceptable reason not to list community opinion in an article. Fair enough. [[User:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Awesome'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''Cardinal'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ac2k|<span style="color: red;">'''2000'''</span>]] 22:53, 13 March 2015 (EDT) | ||