Talk:Lucina (SSB4)

Trivia point about the website is not true: [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.26.240.80 (talk • contribs) 10:06, July 14, 2014‎ (CDT)

The browser version of the site gave Lucina a small slot however. ZeldaStarfoxfan2164 (talk) is made in America 11:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Hm. It's not like that on web. Nutta Butta (talk) 11:18, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

I figure there is some miscommunication between Sakurai and the website designers (especially what with her most likely being an alternate skin for Marth). Let's just call her a Newcomer until we get an official confirmation of what she really is. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 11:24, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Why is she "most likely an alternate skin"? She got her own "Lucina joins the battle"-type thing. None of the other skins did. Nutta Butta (talk) 11:25, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

She's not an alternate skin. She just shares some moves with Marth, which perplexes me because I thought Sakurai was done with [semi-]clones not named Toon Link. blue ninjakoopa 11:27, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

This isn't the place to discuss it, so I'll just point out the ? after her 参戦!/Wakes Her Blade! (among other things) and leave it at that. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 11:31, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Depending on what we come up with, we can add it to the page. I'm not sure about the "Wakes Her Blade?!" thing, but I do not think she'd be an alternate skin. The other alternate skins are just outfits whereas this is a character, and (again) she got her "Joins The Battle" moment. And she's on the website. If it were truly a mistake, wouldn't Chrom be there too? I don't see why they would make just one mistake. Her stance is a little different, and I'm pretty sure she had some attacks Marth doesn't. There is no true proof that she is a costume, besides some similar attacks (which is a reference to her pretending to be Marth, I'm sure), whereas there is lots of proof that she's a unique character. Nutta Butta (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

(Edit conflict)"Among other things?" The question mark is definitely interesting. Also, as this is Lucina's talk page, it's definitely the place to discuss her controversial status. Don't leave, defend your theory. blue ninjakoopa 11:38, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Okay, if you think discussing it will be good for the article, every single move she has been shown to use so far has been exactly the same as Marth, she was shown first in the trailer and yet was given less screen time, as well as despite this, her gameplay being shown later in the trailer instead of first (both like with Charizard on his reveal), the 参戦!? as opposed to the usual 参戦!, along with these mixups on the websites, the fact that no trailer has revealed multiple newcomers as of yet, and the fact that many characters have been given alternate-gender costumes. I don't know why you say there is any proof she's a unique character; there isn't proof of either side of this argument yet, but aside from the fact that she is actually a seperate person from Marth (unlike the other genderswap costumes, which are technically different people, but fill the same role in gameplay), there isn't much pushing for her being a unique one. I don't see how Chrom has anything to do with it; he was very obviously not a playable character, and regardless, making a single mistake is more likely than making all possible mistakes, don't you think? ♡FirstaLasto♥ 11:47, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Sakurai posted about the image showing the "newcomers". So unless he was referring to Mega Man, I think she's separate. Nutta Butta (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

She has a character page. This alone should end the conversation. Unless Sakurai explicitly says she's an alternate for Marth as opposed to a clone, she will be treated as a separate character. End of story. Miles (talk) 11:53, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

@Miles: I agree, we should treat her as a newcomer until/unless otherwise is confirmed.

@Nutta: That could easily be a translation issue; Japanese rarely distinguishes between singular and plural in the same way English does. Anyways, we'll probably find out soon enough. ♡FirstaLasto♥ 11:57, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Not trying to fire this up again, but I think it's also worth noting that Marth does not wield Lucina's disguise mask at all, while we've already seen Lucina holding it, and the fact that even on the web version of the Smash 4 site in the news they say "The introduction for a new challenger, Lucina, is now available." In tandem with the information we already have, the fact that we have never gotten less than two clones, or semi-clones (i.e. Luigi and Jigglypuff, 20% of Melee, Lucas and Toon Link) in each new installment, I think we can safely assume that she is her own character. Laikue (talk) 14:22, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

Sakurai says: Actual roster spot. https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAACAADRUqGH9l5mlg MalcolmReynolds (talk) 03:43, 15 July 2014 (EDT)