Talk:Ridley

wait, whoops, never mind. wrong move. damned vandals :p – MaskedMarth ^{(t c)} 20:46, November 19, 2007 (EST)

Too much mixing of smash games?

Seriously, we mention him in Melee before smash 64. We should go through Ridley's appearances from smash game to smash games, agreed???... -Johnknight1 23:55, February 22, 2008 (EST)

Meta Ridley

Just wondering where we stand on this: are they two separate bosses that need separate articles, or should this article talk about both? Either way, there's a Meta Ridley picture[1] that needs to be used for it. FyreNWater - (Talk • Contributions ) 05:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I say put them together, they are essentially the same fight other than the time limit and a few attack patterns. - Gargomon251 10:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Power article

hey guys, it's SMASH-Antimatter. can't log in, don't have the time, but feel like mentioning something i noticed in the newest nintendo power.

exerpt from nintendo power interview with Masashiro Sakurai, creator of Kirby and Smash Bros.

NP: There was a rumor at one point about Ridley being playable. Was that ever a consideration? S: I think that would probably be impossible.[laughs] If we had put our best efforts into it, we may have been able to do it. But he might have been a little slow. Would that have been all right? [laughs]

98.209.79.169 19:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

wow

he is that smart? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.241.247.30 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ridley...an Assist Trophy?

So, as we all know, the game's files have been dumped for easy viewing, yes? Well, looking through it, I noticed a listing (under the assist trophy section) for a Ridley assist. Maybe it should be mentioned that at one point he was going to be an assist? (Mario66 21:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC))

Wait a sec...

Since when was Ridley able to talk?! 24.144.54.204 17:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to answer so late but Ridley talked only in the Manga, which isn't canon to the series.Drakkon64 (talk) 13:11, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Picture of RIDLEY

I have a pic of RIDLEY on ssb 64

Poll

"On the official Japanese polls Ridley was voted for 4 times to be playable. The highest vote was for King Dedede with 5" What polls does this refer to? Oni Dark Link 17:22, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

How

Tell me exactly how Jiggs can OHKO Ridley. King KirbyD 16:21, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Where did you get that idea from? I don't see it in the article anywhere. Toomai Glittershine The Breegull 16:46, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Jigglypuff is the only character that Ridley can 1 hit-KO - You've got it the wrong way round. Toast ltimatum 17:08, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

If Ridley is playable

Will this page be split into Ridley (Boss) and Ridley (SSB4)? Not something we have to worry aobut yet but I just get curious 86.151.82.105 08:38, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

No, the boss information would be at Ridley and the fighter information would be at Ridley (SSB4). Awesome Cardinal 2000 10:52, 25 August 2013 (EDT)

"Speculation"

None of my edit was at all "speculative":

"However, the nature in which Sakurai has ambiguously alluded to Ridley"

This is fact, the whole handling of Ridley is the exact definition of ambiguous.

Definition of ambiguous: Open to multiple interpretations; vague and unclear. This applies to the situation with Ridley, this is fact.

"without outright confirming his role as he does with other popularly-requested non-playable characters"

This is fact, other NPCs are flatout shown with their role stated or clearly shown. This is not the case for Ridley.

"nor even referring to him by name directly"

You show me one instance where Sakurai referred to Ridley by name, as he does willy-nilly with NPCs, while routinely evades with unrevealed playable characters. This is fact.

"and the suspicious nature of the shadow itself (which has been observed with jerky and sudden movement similar to that of a playable character, instead of the smooth and telegraphed animations of a boss character)"

Actually look at how the shadow moves, look at what other people observed about it, and then compare it to how all the other bosses move. This is fact.

"leaves it highly unclear if Ridley is actually a stage boss of Pyrosphere, or if this has been teasing of Ridley as a playable character in a vein similar to Palutena's teasing."

Ridley has not been confirmed as anything, and the whole handling of it is the exact definition of ambiguous. This is fact. And the comparison to Palutena is factual, as she was a character that has been repeatedly teased in much the same way as Ridley. In fact, just look at Pic of the day quote when Palutena's Temple was revealed:

"Pic of the day. You can find this statue of the Goddess of Light in one of the stages. She's watching over the arena."

Compared to the Pyrosphere reveal:

"Pic of the day. Out of the blue, here's a new stage--the Pyrosphere from Metroid: Other M! An enemy from Samus's past may appear at any second…"

Pretty damn similar, don't you think? While down to evading saying their names. And this is something that is being discussed to death within the Smash community, just look at Ridley's thread on Smashboards and how massive it is. This is a highly discussed and contentious matter that is clearly notable and should be recognised.

My edit as such was not "speculation", it states the facts of the whole ambiguous handling of Ridley throughout Smash 4, which is completely unusual from the typical handling of non-playable characters, and recognising a significant point of contention within the Smash community. Now don't be dumb Miles, this is legitimate information, explaining the whole ambiguous handling of Ridley, which as clearly shown, is a big point of discussion within the Smash community. Omega Tyrant 00:03, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Are you really going to make me do the wall-of-text back at you?

""However, the nature in which Sakurai has ambiguously alluded to Ridley"

Nothing is ambiguous about a section of the Smash Direct titled "Yellow Devil" which strictly serves to clarify and explain the new concept of a stage boss. There isn't any room for alternate interpretation.

"without outright confirming his role as he does with other popularly-requested non-playable characters"

"Popularly-requested" is subjective.

"nor even referring to him by name directly"

So? Are you going to claim this kind of nonsense for every other character not explicitly name-dropped?

"and the suspicious nature of the shadow itself (which has been observed with jerky and sudden movement similar to that of a playable character, instead of the smooth and telegraphed animations of a boss character)"

Subjective nature of what is "jerky and sudden" aside, Ridley had rather erratic motions as a boss in Brawl; it's hardly out of place for that sort of behavior to return.

"leaves it highly unclear if Ridley is actually a stage boss of Pyrosphere, or if this has been teasing of Ridley as a playable character in a vein similar to Palutena's teasing."

"Highly" is subjective, and you have zero conclusive evidence that Ridley is playable or being "teased" as such.

I understand the subject is a big deal to fans, but so what? We have to report the facts, not what people want or what they throw together to try and keep open a loophole for a 99+% deconfirmed character. Miles (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

(proceeds to make popcorn) This should be interesting. --EpicWendigo (talk) 00:20, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

In all seriousness, I find that Omega has some points to make. Ridley was handled in an ambiguous fashion. However, it's still speculation concerning Ridley's role in the game, so if you're going to add anything, add the ambiguity part, but nothing too speculative. --EpicWendigo (talk) 00:44, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

I think saying something like "many fans believe that Sakurai is intentionally avoiding a direct confirmation of Ridley's status to drive up anticipation of revealing him to be playable" would be okay; the initial edit that lead to this discussion I think was a bit much. Toomai Glittershine The Victorious 00:45, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Why explicitly add speculatory content like that when we can convey that there's still a small bit of ambiguity with the current wording, though? Miles (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

Well it's like PM: at some point, all the noise from the dumb fans becomes too much to ignore. I'm not sure if this is the point right now, but personally I'd be okay with adding something. Toomai Glittershine The Chronicler 00:59, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

It's one thing to use fan terms for techniques or to give details on a professionally-played mod, but content for the new games should remain strictly factual and limited to what we know. Miles (talk) 01:05, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

"Are you really going to make me do the wall-of-text back at you?"

Are you really going to continue to be a haughty idiot that reverts any edit he personally doesn't like regardless of its validity?

"Nothing is ambiguous about a section of the Smash Direct titled "Yellow Devil" which strictly serves to clarify and explain the new concept of a stage boss. There isn't any room for alternate interpretation."

You're just that dense, are you? Did you not read a damn thing I said?

"Vague and unclear" - Doesn't refer to Ridley by name, doesn't outright show Ridley, evades showing us anything of this supposed "stage boss" nearly a year after Pyrosphere been shown (to the point that Pyrosphere wasn't even in any of the E3 demos), and doesn't confirm a damn thing about it. That's "vague and unclear". And it's clearly open to "alternate interpretation", when Ridley wasn't confirmed as anything, and the whole handling of Ridley this whole time has been vague and unclear (plus again, look at the massive Ridley thread on Smashboards, there's a bunch of people interpreting it in different ways, that wouldn't be happening if there "wasn't any room for alternate interpretation"). Drop the damn arrogance, this is not in any way a clear cut matter.

""Popularly-requested" is subjective."

Man, all those character request polls and stuff are just made-up, huh? Nope, the numbers lie, definitely "subjective".

"So? Are you going to claim this kind of nonsense for every other character not explicitly name-dropped?"

If this was a clearly cut manner with absolutely no room for alternative interpretation, Ridley would be getting name-dropped like every other NPC instead of being completely evaded like other unrevealed playable characters (e.g. Palutena). Also, your "example" isn't even applicable; "Wonderful 100" is a name-drop, and you know, Wonder Red's model is actually explicitly shown right there, unlike a certain contentious purple space dragon.

"Subjective nature of what is "jerky and sudden" aside, Ridley had rather erratic motions as a boss in Brawl; it's hardly out of place for that sort of behavior to return."

Have you even fought the bosses in Brawl? "Ridley had rather erratic motions as a boss in Brawl" is just laughable and clearly shows you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about (yet again, seriously Miles, why do you always insist butting yourself into things you clearly do not have proper experience in and making yourself look like an absolute idiot?).

""Highly" is subjective, and you have zero conclusive evidence that Ridley is playable or being "teased" as such."

You have just as much "conclusive evidence" that Ridley is definitely a boss with absolute no room for alternative interpretation (e.g. none, you got no actual confirmation, just vague statements that can mean a bunch of different things). And you're really going to say there's no possibility for teasing, when the whole Ridley situation is a perfect parallel of the Palutena situation before her reveal? Did you seriously not look at the pic of the day quotes I shown you?

"I understand the subject is a big deal to fans, but so what?"

You are an absolute terrible wiki admin, you know that? Big deal to fans = notable, i.e. something the wiki covers, not completely ignores. That's elementary, I shouldn't have to explain that to an admin.

"We have to report the facts"

Nope, what I stated was certainly not facts at all. Sakurai certainly name-drops Ridley, certainly shown us Ridley in his boss hazard glory, certainly told us "Rids def a boss, not playable", has not at all been unusually vague about what should supposedly just be a stage hazard, those parallels to Palutena's pre-reveal handling do not exist, and there are definitely not a large group of people discussing the whole situation. I just made all that shit up, huh?

Seriously, you go at me with "reporting the facts", when that is exactly what I did?

"a 99+% deconfirmed character."

Oh cool, you're a gullible idiot who takes everything at face value. Palutena just a statue guize, not playable at all! Oh wait... Phosphora is definitely just a trophy! Nothing more! Oh nevermind... Toon Link just a background character, he has been cut! Uhhhh.....

So yeah, not only has there already been documented cases in Smash 4 of Sakurai fucking around with character's statuses, the whole Ridley situation is the exact definition of "ambiguous", and it's one of the biggest points of discussion within the Smash community. Nevermind that what I wrote it completely factual, reporting on the facts of the matter. You want to think Ridley is most definitely a stage hazard and nothing more, with absolutely no chance of any alternative? Cool, stay off this page, and let the wiki do its job of reporting the facts in a balanced view point (i.e. explaining the whole ambiguous nature of Ridley's handling instead of just going "he's a boss, nothing more to see!"). Omega Tyrant 01:18, 19 June 2014 (EDT)