SmashWiki:New Logo Proposal

Firstly, I wasn't sure which namespace to put this in, but this seemed like the right one. Anyway...

Current Logo	Proposed Logo

You may have already seen this on one of my subpages - I decided to make it an official proposal, so I moved it out of the user namespace.

This wiki's current logo is just over two years old, and while interesting-looking, is somewhat bland. (This may be just because we've been staring at it for two years, though.) The new logo is colourful (but not overly so), Wikipedia-styled, and fresh. So, I ask: who would like to see something with a bit more pop? Change isn't always good, but I believe in this case it is. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 02:37, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Support

1. Support - I like it. It is styles after the Wikipedia logo which, in my mind, is THE wiki logo. ☆The Solar Dragon ^(Talk)☆ 06:28, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
2. See mine and Toomai's comments elsewhere on this page for reasons why. PenguinofDeath 15:53, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
3. Support The original logo is totally void of color aside from blue and shades of gray. I like the idea of the colorful wikipedia style logo.|-|16#\/\/4¥ []D(_)/\/\|D% ^{|_0|_7_ |\||_||3} 22:59, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
4. Support Pretty cool wikipedia parody. Change the font though. Kperfekt ^{BURN!!! Revert That!} 23:45, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
5. Support My only complaint is the font; it should be changed. Otherwise, I like it. - GalaxiaD ^Talk 00:05, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose - While your logo is of brilliant design, the one we have now is good enough. It's the Master Hand gripping the Super Smash Bros. series emblem. The representation of that is incredible. Plus, the text on it is custom. Yours has Aharoni, a type of text I find very generic and used much too often. :$ BNK ^[E|T|C] 02:50, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

   Aharoni was selected because it looked similar to the Wii font, but nice and bold. (I could have used Century Gothic but that's way too thin.) I would have used the font of the current logo, but I didn't know what it was, and now that you tell me it's custom I don't think I could reproduce it. (Also, I will take this opportunity to point out that I've just noticed that the current logo's Smash Bros. emblem is slightly disproportioned.) Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 03:09, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

2. Oppose - Sorry, but I don't see this as an improvement (or even a static) over the current. The current logo is unique, interesting, and not distracting to the eyes. Your proposed logo is too busy. For the logo to be in the corner of the screen the whole time someone is on this site, it shouldn't keep calling attention to itself. Clarinet Hawk (talk · contributions) 04:08, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

   There are a few options to address your "busy" opinion, such as desaturation or making it a bit smaller. The colours could even be removed entirely, but I would consider that a last resort - the colour is one of the things that makes it a bit more distinct than the inspiration. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 03:09, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

3. First of all, I believe this may be tripping over copyright laws. I am not a lawer, so I don't know for sure. I also agree with BNK, Master Hand is the main character in series. Removing him from the logo would be like the Kirby Wiki taking away Kirby from their logo. 98.111.95.78 02:20, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

   I admit that there's possibly a grey area of copyright here. In my opinion, it's close enough for people to see the reference, but unique enough (colours, symbols instead of letters, made from scratch) to be considered a reference and not a rip-off.
   You (and BNK) make a good point about Master Hand being the "main character" of the Smash Bros. series. That said, the Smash Bros. series is different from the Kirby series (and most other series) - while it does have original content, the vast majority of stuff in the Smash Bros. series comes from all its representative series. The idea that it's the union of a bunch of universes is what the proposed logo focuses on. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 03:09, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

   But the current logo has the ONE character SSB can claim as its own. The current logo has meaning, it's epic. Your proposal is great,and kinda funny (in a good way), but not original. I hope you continue to work on this stuff, but try to be a bit original, as Wikipedia was not the first wiki. 98.111.95.78 04:09, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

   Wikipedia may not have been the first wiki, but it's the most well-known by far (as I understand it). And for a logo such as this I didn't want to be too original - there were other ideas in mind, but in the end this was the cleanest and most recognizable. Toomai Glittershine eXemplary Logic 13:25, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

   The Smash Ball is the ultimate symbol of the series. It's actually the most original thing in the entire series. The proposed logo reflects that as the Smash Ball (the symbol of the Smash series) is made up of the symbols of all the other series that make up the Smash series. It means something, unlike the current logo which just looks cool. And there is no grey area of copyright here, as it's a reference, not a rip. PenguinofDeath 15:53, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutralificationization I've really gotten used to the wiki's logo usual design, and yet this logo looks pretty cool. It's definitely an interesting design, but I'm really not sure.HavocReaper48 22:35, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
2. Neutral towards support. I like the design, but I can't honestly tell if the change is worthwhile/necessary. Miles (talk) 02:10, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
3. Neutral What Miles said, and I don't like the text at the bottom of the proposed logo. The parody of the wikipedia logo's pretty neat though. Cheezperson {talk}stuff 02:35, March 18, 2010 (UTC)
4. Do I have to really type neutral when this is in the neutral section? I like the idea behind it, but it just feels rather generic.L33t Silvie ^{I see wat u did thar...} 23:31, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

   Well, yes, take Mile's comment for instance- in some cases, it may not just be simply "neutral", it could be "neutral and slightly supporting ____". HavocReaper48 23:42, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

5. I wanted to note here that I much prefer the grey version of the proposed new logo. Whether that tops the current is a difficult question for me. --Sky (t · c · w) 16:31, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

   Oh, and I agree that the font sucks. Were we to use TNR or possibly Arial, I might be more responsive (or perhaps even Wikipedia's). --Sky (t · c · w) 16:33, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Also to consider these comments. Miles (talk) 02:14, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Miles, wouldn't they have to comment here? Comments on that blog shouldn't have any impact on what happens here, you know. >:I BNK ^[E|T|C] 06:52, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

No. As long as there's a permanent record of the comments somewhere, they count. PenguinofDeath 15:53, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I was simply trying to get a cross-section of the wider Smash community for a variety of opinions. Miles (talk) 20:21, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

Toomai, if you could find a Custom Text to go on the bottom of the proposed logo, I might neutrally lean towards supporting it. Preferrably the text seen in the Super Smash Bros. series games and their titles. Also, if you could just fit the Master hand in there somewhere... like, make him grab the Wikiglobe or something. I imagine that you might need to do some more tweaking, but with your picture-editing skills, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle. :) BNK ^[E|T|C] 23:35, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. If you do something like that, I will support you. 98.111.95.78 01:57, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean simply using a font from, say, a game's box art? If so, that would be either difficult (SSB64's title and the "Brawl" on SSBB's are incomplete fonts) or boring (the "Super Smash Bros." on SSBM's and SSBB's cover is simply a prettied-up Times New Roman, and using anything other than plain TNR would make the text stand out too much). I could do custom lettering, but based on past font experience it may look displeasing. Now, Aharoni wasn't the only font I had on the list when I put this up - others included Comic Sans MS (generic but not bad otherwise), Copperplate Gothic Bold (nice and statement-like), Jokerman (a personal favourite, but probably too chaotic), and Snap ITC (think and goofy but probably too weird). Currently, I'm looking for a font that emulates the Brawl menus and damage %s - I'd appreciate help with such if you can give it. Toomai Glittershine The Table Designer 03:16, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

It would still be original. It's the best idea for the image, but if you have trouble finding fonts, download one from here. There are plenty to choose from, and since it is an image, you won't need to worry about other people needing to download the font you used. BNK ^[E|T|C] 04:47, March 19, 2010 (UTC)