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 Both Armada and Mango have publicly commented on the GOAT debate. Armada has referred to himself as the GOAT on [[Twitter]] multiple times since 2018.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/ArmadaUGS/status/1077337302773444608|title=Armada's GOAT tweet (2018)}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/ArmadaUGS/status/1136024842766114818|title=Armada's GOAT tweet (2019)}}</ref> In October 2020, Armada and Mango both replied to a Tweet posted by {{Sm|Tafokints}} discussing the GOAT of ''Melee''.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/tafokints/status/1318238704570310656|title=Tafokints' tweet}}</ref> Armada replied to the Tweet first, arguing in favor of his GOAT status, citing his winning record over the rest of the top six, better placements at events the two both attended and having never placed below 5th at any tournament.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/ArmadaUGS/status/1318244958835527683|title=Armada's tweet #1}}</ref> Mango argued that Armada was only ranked number one for two years (2015 and 2016), and even then, Mango boasted a winning record over him in 2016. He argued that his performance was superior to Armada's before 2012 and that his consistent performance did not necessarily translate into dominance,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/C9Mang0/status/1318251406428499973|title=Mango's tweet #2}}</ref> suggesting that he could have been declared the undisputed GOAT if he chose to retire in 2015.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/C9Mang0/status/1318264769825054721|title=Mango's tweet #3}}</ref> He also added, "At the end of the day it's dumb to discuss whos{{sic}} the goat when we're only halfway thru the movie... There's so much more melee{{sic}} to be played."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/C9Mang0/status/1318253166161399809|title=Mango's tweet #4}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://dotesports.com/fgc/news/armada-or-mang0-super-smash-bros-melee-community-debates-best-player-ever|title="Armada or Mang0: Super Smash Bros. Melee community debates best player ever"}}</ref>
-{{Sm|Ken}} and {{Sm|Hungrybox}} have also been suggested by smaller groups as outlier candidates. Ken, known today by his nickname "The King of Smash", is considered the undisputed best player of the early [[Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play|MLG era]], and was a candidate for best player in the world from 2003 to 2007. During his prime, Ken was considered the best player by a significant margin, winning nearly every event he entered, including {{Trn|EVO World 2007}} and two [[Major League Gaming]] championships, and dominated competitive ''Melee'' to a degree far greater than Armada or Mango did during their peaks. However, it is generally agreed that Ken's short longevity at the top diminishes his claim at the GOAT. It is also suggested that Ken competed in a less advanced era of ''Melee'', and that the overall level of competition has greatly improved since his retirement, as evidenced by his failure to place top eight at majors during his return to ''Smash'' from 2013-2016.
+{{Sm|Ken}} and {{Sm|Hungrybox}} have also been suggested by smaller groups as outlier candidates. Ken, known also by his nickname "The King of Smash", is considered the undisputed best player of the early [[Super Smash Bros. Melee in competitive play|MLG era]], and was a candidate for best player in the world from 2003 to 2007. During his prime, Ken was considered the best player by a significant margin, winning nearly every event he entered, including {{Trn|EVO World 2007}} and two [[Major League Gaming]] championships, and dominated competitive ''Melee'' to a degree far greater than Armada or Mango did during their peaks. However, it is generally agreed that Ken's short longevity at the top diminishes his claim at the GOAT. It is also suggested that Ken competed in a less advanced era of ''Melee'', and that the overall level of competition has greatly improved since his retirement, as evidenced by his failure to place top eight at majors during his return to ''Smash'' from 2013-2016.
 Hungrybox is arguably the closest in GOAT conversations to Armada and Mango. Hungrybox has been considered a top-five player from 2009 until 2023, remaining a staple of the top 10 afterward, and was considered the best player in the world from 2017 to 2019, the longest consecutive period post-MLG. Additionally, he holds the record for the most major wins overall, at 37, including his victory at {{Trn|EVO 2016}}, the [[List of largest Smash tournaments|largest ''Melee'' tournament of all time]]. His {{SSBM|Jigglypuff}} has been responsible for major developments in the ''Melee'' metagame; his dominance caused many to start seeing Jigglypuff as potentially the best character in the game, and many players, most notably Armada, developed secondary characters specifically in an attempt to counter him. On top of this, Hungrybox has also maintained an unparalleled level of consistency at major tournaments, possessing a streak of finishing in the top 8 of every major he attended for nearly 10 years, a statistic rivaled only by Armada, who's only non-top 8 major placement occurred at {{Trn|Enthusiast Gaming Live Expo}} at 17th. However, Hungrybox's reign as a consistent first-place finisher has been relatively short compared to that of Mango or Armada, and his lowest level of play has also been below them; most notably from {{Trn|Apex 2010}} to {{Trn|Paragon Orlando 2015}}, he went nearly five years without placing 1st at a major title. It is often theorized that Hungrybox could become the greatest of all time if he continues to dominate the ''Melee'' scene after several more years of competition; however, this has became increasingly unlikely as he has struggled to win a major since {{Trn|Riptide 2022}}.