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==Overview==
==Overview==
Ike does a downward arcing slash underneath himself.
For ike standards, this move is decently quick (frame 10) whit the move covering both sides whit a big hitbox (so big that they nerfed the hitboxes of the late hit in patch 8.0.0) but probably the biggest streinght of the move is his low landing lag (only 9 frames) this gives the move a lot of combo potential (especialy on platforms) while also leading into kill comfirms like neutral aireal into up aireal, back aireal or up special.
However this move has a few minor flaws, while it's fast for Ike standards, it's also slow for neutral aireal standards, this means that the move is not a very good out of shield option, also while the move has low landing lag, it also has high endlag (60 total frames) making it close to useless rising.
In patch 8.0.0 this move was nerfed, i already said the fact that they made the hitboxes of the late hit smaller, but his knockback was also increased, meaning it's not as good for combos (but still solid) this was more of a trade of though, because this gives it back some of his smash 4 kill power.
Overall, this is a great move, while not one of the best neutral aireals in the game, it's still in contention for ike's best move


==Update History==
==Update History==

Revision as of 11:05, December 24, 2024

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Overview

Ike does a downward arcing slash underneath himself.

For ike standards, this move is decently quick (frame 10) whit the move covering both sides whit a big hitbox (so big that they nerfed the hitboxes of the late hit in patch 8.0.0) but probably the biggest streinght of the move is his low landing lag (only 9 frames) this gives the move a lot of combo potential (especialy on platforms) while also leading into kill comfirms like neutral aireal into up aireal, back aireal or up special.


However this move has a few minor flaws, while it's fast for Ike standards, it's also slow for neutral aireal standards, this means that the move is not a very good out of shield option, also while the move has low landing lag, it also has high endlag (60 total frames) making it close to useless rising.


In patch 8.0.0 this move was nerfed, i already said the fact that they made the hitboxes of the late hit smaller, but his knockback was also increased, meaning it's not as good for combos (but still solid) this was more of a trade of though, because this gives it back some of his smash 4 kill power.


Overall, this is a great move, while not one of the best neutral aireals in the game, it's still in contention for ike's best move

Update History

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 8.0.0

  • Change The move has much more knockback scaling (105 → 130). This removes its previous KO setups, but restores most of its standalone KO power from Smash 4.
    • Nerf But since the main streinght of the move was his great combo potential, the negatives outweigh the positives.
  • Nerf The late hit has smaller hitboxes (4u → 3u).

Hitboxes

ID Part Rehit rate Damage SD Angle Angle type BK KS FKV Set weight Radius Bone Offset SDI× T% Clang Rebound Effect Type G A Sound Direct Hit bits Hit part Blockable Reflectable Absorbable Flinchless No GFX Heedless
Clean hit
0 0 0 7.5% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 4.0 sword 0.0 10.2 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
1 0 0 7.5% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 4.0 sword 0.0 7.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
2 0 0 7.5% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 4.0 sword 0.0 5.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
Late hit
0 0 0 6.0% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 3.0 sword 0.0 10.2 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
1 0 0 6.0% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 3.0 sword 0.0 7.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png
2 0 0 6.0% 0 AngleIcon80.png Standard 35 130 0 HitboxTableIcon(False).png 3.0 sword 0.0 5.0 0.0 1.0× 1.0× 0% HitboxTableIcon(Clang).png HitboxTableIcon(Rebound).png Slash (effect) Sword (type) HitboxTableIcon(GroundedTrue).png HitboxTableIcon(AerialTrue).png S Ike Hit SpecialsDirect.png All All HitboxTableIcon(Blockable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unreflectable).png HitboxTableIcon(Unabsorbable).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png HitboxTableIcon(False).png

Timing

Attack

Initial autocancel 1-2
Clean hit 10-14
Late hit 15-22
Ending autocancel 50-
Interruptible 60
Animation length 68
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Landing lag

Interruptible 9
Animation length 26
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Legend (1 square = 1 frame)
Lag
Lag time
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Hitbox change
Auto-canceling
Autocancel
Interruptibility
Interruptible