User talk:Person

Your edits

Hey, I understand you have been working on Hax's case for a while now, but there are several things I have to point out in your edits.

• First, there's an option on the wiki to show a preview of the edit so that users won't have to make multiple edits at a time. Please use that feature, since your edits have been crowding up both recent changes and Hax's page's edit history.
• Second, there's some blatant original research you have added in Hax's case that should not be there. The entire point of controversy sections is to report what is going on, not to tell people how to think about a situation, because SmashWiki keeps a neutral point of view. An example of this this edit I reverted, where the entire paragraph was just filled with your analysis of the above statements. Not only is none of this cited, but the phrase "the above statements shows" makes it look like your own analysis rather than the actual facts (especially when there have been people who interpreted those Tweets a different way), and that should not be included in a controversy section.
• Finally, though somewhat unrelated to Hax's case, there is a difference between "unreliable sources" and simply reporting the timeline of events. In the case of Leffen's page, you removed Technicals's and ZeRo's statements for being "unreliable". In this case, whether it's unreliable or not is irrelevant, since their counterarguments to Leffen's statements is still a crucial event in Leffen's case.

I should also specifically mention that I do not stand on any side on Hax's case, nor do I think ZeRo is completely innocent/Leffen is completely at fault, so in no way are my reversions out of bias towards them. However, there are rules on the wiki to mitigate heavily opinionated controversy sections that can show off some unnecessary bias, and your edits have not really been following them, so when you make further edits, just pay attention to whether you are adding is opinionated rather than factual. CookiesCreme 09:01, September 4, 2024 (EDT)

Firstly, I should thank you for giving the Hax page a second pair of eyes, I have personally been concerned about the page being too one-sided towards my view on the feud discussed. However, I must ratify CnC's statements. I think a lot of these edits you've made ended up adding a lot of bloat to the page and shook its neutrality by quite a bit. It was already a bit shaky, considering extensive use of Hax$ himself as a primary source. I would further recommend grammar-checking your edits, as there's lots of really basic stuff missed (eg. Capitalising the first letter of a sentence) among other things. Make sure to read your sources, cross-reference them with what's written, and see if existing content can be added to first. Sometimes, a reference may just need to be added to an existing statement without any text body added to the page, for example. We've been considering flattening much of the page given how long the feud's section has been getting compared to the rest of the page. As a controversy section gets longer, the finer details should be removed in favour of a more definitive statement on that side of the situation. Finally, don't remove commentary from notable community figures on situations - as controversial as individuals like ZeRo and Technicals are, their input is still valued in situations like this one, especially in the latter's case given their notoriety and tendency to conduct decent research. Hope this advice finds you well. - Plague von Karma 12:05, September 4, 2024 (EDT)

Thank you for the feedback. I went overboard, especially yesterday not being as neutral as it should be. If you wish to reword it to be more neutral while containing the same information then I encourage you to do so. I also should not have deleted that irrelevant to my views. The reason I started working on this is because the amount of misinformation being spread on the Hax was discouraging. Even this page before I started working on it implied that Hax was still indefinitely banned instead of perma banned. Misinformation surrounding all this is so bad even basic information about the case Hax supporters don't know about. This page is the first result for the Hax situation on Google, it should be a place where the full story is laid bare.

Its pretty obvious with just a small amount of research that this isn't an ugly feud between two prominent players, in fact Hax has gone after way more people than just Leffen, but more a one-sided mental health crisis that was then exploited by dramatubers for views and attention. When bad faith people get needlessly promoted it spreads misinformation. This should not be a place to spread misinformation unchallenged. I understand its somewhat hard to find counterarguments as the only people still talking about, really since the original ban, are bad faith people deliberately spreading misinformation for personal gain. I'm going to be blunt here, while I should not have deleted the statements on leffen's article, to say Zero and Technicals are notable community figures, is an insult to the community. Zero has confessed to grooming minors, even to cases he was not even accused about, and legal case did not absolve him either, he has not been competitively relevant since the beginning of Ultimate's release, Zero has also embraced his hatred of the smash community. Technical is also someone who has only been on the fringes of this community, who openly speaks his hatred of the community. He is so extremely disingenuous in his arguments so much that he once stopped on of his videos to argue he should have no blame for any harassment because his videos don't actually influence people. He one of the highest promoters of the smash hatedom community, which are also the people sending death threats and harassment. What I'm saying here is there is reason to not take their words at face value, that there should be some scrutiny in how it should be presented.

Finally, I do want to say the controversy section should not be decimated. As there is no other place on the internet to get the full story of the multi year Hax saga. Again the amount of blatant misinformation spread on this story is absurd. perhaps it would be a good idea to create a separate page for all of it if there needs to be a change. Though honestly, Hax is more known for his controversies than anything, so it would be appropriate with how much is spent on it. User talk:person