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:*'''Several players who don't need win lists still have them'''. Only players on a higher skill level than the player who made the upset should be listed, and as a player becomes a higher skill level, it means there are less and less reason to list certain players. However, there have been several cases where win lists weren't removed even if they reached the highest level. A very egregious example is CaptainZack, who is ranked 15th on the PGR 100 yet [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:CaptainZack&oldid=1603887 still had a win list for ''Smash 4'' until 2021]. People are more prone to keep adding to the list instead of removing when the time comes, which is one of the reason that leads to bloat. Connecting to the previous point, the win list for many players at or near the top is just a list of 8 top 20 players, which at that point feels unnecessary because they had basically prove they could compete against the best of the best. | :*'''Several players who don't need win lists still have them'''. Only players on a higher skill level than the player who made the upset should be listed, and as a player becomes a higher skill level, it means there are less and less reason to list certain players. However, there have been several cases where win lists weren't removed even if they reached the highest level. A very egregious example is CaptainZack, who is ranked 15th on the PGR 100 yet [https://www.ssbwiki.com/index.php?title=Smasher:CaptainZack&oldid=1603887 still had a win list for ''Smash 4'' until 2021]. People are more prone to keep adding to the list instead of removing when the time comes, which is one of the reason that leads to bloat. Connecting to the previous point, the win list for many players at or near the top is just a list of 8 top 20 players, which at that point feels unnecessary because they had basically prove they could compete against the best of the best. | ||
:I do think there is still some merit in listing wins with context, however what we have right now is not really effective in my opinion. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:16, March 29, 2024 (EDT) | :I do think there is still some merit in listing wins with context, however what we have right now is not really effective in my opinion. [[User:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia;color: black;">Cookies</span>]][[File:CnC Signature.png|20px]][[User talk:Cookies and Creme|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: black;">Creme</span>]] 12:16, March 29, 2024 (EDT) | ||
:Oppose - I understand the arguments and issues, however, for while with win lists but on the whole I believe they provide some useful information if a player doesn't have a tournament history section. It's a sort of short land to say, oh this player has several top player wins it gives you a rough estimate of player level. Particularly since placements only tell part of a story and can also be misleading just the same way win lists. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:45, March 29, 2024 (EDT) | :Oppose - I understand the arguments and issues, however, for while with win lists but on the whole I believe they provide some useful information if a player doesn't have a tournament history section. It's a sort of short land to say, oh this player has several top player wins it gives you a rough estimate of player level. Particularly since placements only tell part of a story and can also be misleading just the same way win lists can be. That said, I think there is merit in putting extra rules on win lists. [[User:Wiifitkid|Wiifitkid]] ([[User talk:Wiifitkid|talk]]) 12:45, March 29, 2024 (EDT) |
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