Talk:List of major tournaments (SSBU)

European tournaments and majors

Why is almost every big event in Europe getting lowered in value on this site? Temple: Hermes Edition, e-Caribana, 95 Kings of Fields 2 and COLOSSEL 2022 are notably either dropping from supermajor to major, or from major to superregional, and Europe is doing well in the post-online landscape.--Hydreigonfan01 (talk) 18:38, February 13, 2024 (EST)

Well for one, 95 Kings of Fields 2 was never considered a major on the wiki to begin with. Second, it's not just Europe. The wiki is currently in the process of retiering old events for Ultimate (and Brawl too). Basically, Stuart, the guy behind the LumiRank algorithm, has been assisting us with retiering past events using the current LumiRank algorithm over the past PGR/OrionRank algorithms, both of which have some glaring flaws to it. For example, in judging 2019 tournaments we used the top 150 that the LumiRank algorithm generated instead of PGR's top 50 or OrionRank's top 100. All of this is documented on our Discord, but the changes were only done if a supermajority agreed to it.

Due to this, a lot of tournaments that should have been majors but were not recognized as such were promoted (eg Suplex City Smash and a few 2019 Sumabatos), however on the other hand there were also several events that had overinflated scores due to entrants count and its multipliers or the ranking's overreliance on depth rather than top 100 talent, and it just so happened that a lot of European events got caught up in the fire since a lot ended up falling for the latter.

An example of this is VCA 2022. It had a lot of European talent, including all of Europe's top 10 at the time, which was why OrionRank recognized it as a major. However when it came to players in the LumiRank algorithm's top 150 it falls short compared to other major events. Specifically, VCA 2022 had 1 top 10 (Glutonny), 4 top 50 (Bloom, Sisqui, Fatality, Abadango), and 5 top 100 (Mr.R, Raflow, quiK, Space, Leon). With that in mind, how different is VCA 2022 than an event like Sumabato SP 24, which has more top players especially in the top 50 (1 top 5 - acola; 2 top 25 - Yoshidora and Asimo; 5 top 50 - Abadango, HIKARU, Kome, Shirayuki, and Rizeasu; and 4 top 100) but is not considered a major. Entrants count yes, but I think most global rankings have established that entrants count isn't necessarily always a factor as to whether a tournament is a major or not (or else Riptide 2022 and 2023 would be considered one). When VCA 2022 was put up to a vote, 7 users agreed to demote while only 3 voted no, which was a supermajority, and thus VCA 2022 was demoted. CookiesCreme 20:19, February 13, 2024 (EST)